[quote]mavrcksurfer69 wrote:
haha, I’ve never fired a handgun… thats nice this person obviously hasn’t seen my occupation on my profile lol. SO yes I have fired a handgun… since I was a child actually, and unfortunately I’ve had the pleasure of being on the receiving end, and had to use my weapon because of the city i work in.
I say don’t worry about weight so much for concealed carry bc i told him already to go with something “small and slim”… I don’t know of any small compact handguns that weigh that much, do you?, so i thought common sense made it obvious that a compact gun wouldn’t be heavy. I mean i didnt think the OP was an idiot who needed to be told not to put a Colt Python Down his pants and walk around town.
anyways im done with this thread. later
P.S. agree with BH6, 9mm sucks if your trying to kill something thats trying to kill you.[/quote]
I think weight might matter at times. Different guns can be concealed by different people in various ways and weight is a consideration.
Try concealing a 500 S&W magnum with an 8 3/8" barrel, haha! Beats that Python!
seriously, depending on size on the individual and the body build, type of carry, weight might matter. But ti won’t be the only factor.
I went to a gun show today with my dad and grandpa just outside of Denver. It was actually a pretty good show with only a few tables selling shit like t-shirts and jewelry. However, I did like this one shirt that said Snipers: If you run you’ll only die tired.
Everyone is going fucking nuts about Obama taking their guns/ammo away and the dealers sure enjoy feeding the fire. Even loading supplies are getting expensive.
My dad bought some 40 ammo for his G23, a 30 round magazine and bayonet for his m1 carbine. He really wants to buy an original Garand but he just bought an SKS less than a month ago.
They also had some pretty cool red dot sights and explosive targets. I briefly glanced at the handguns but I could only buy long barrels since I have an out of state DL.
/Hijack
Reason I’d want the 20 rounds of 9mm is not necessarily for home defense but more likely for a mugging scenario. I’d be firing and running to cover so I’m sure accuracy would be shit. Now if I was at home shooting down a hallway ambushing an intruder I wouldn’t need that much…hopefully.
Look at the videos of cops and criminals firing at eachother at point blank and completely missing with their entire magazines. Shit put a laser sight on your handgun and you’ll notice that you may think you’re solid but the dot is always moving.
If you really wanted to take you’re traning seriously I’d find a range that would let me do burpees and/or windsprints then see how many I can get on target in a few seconds.
I carry a Glock .45. I love that gun. The grip is big enough for my hand. Heavy enough to be comfortable and help manage recoil, which is basically a nonissue for me. Holds 13.If I need 13 I am in some serious shit.
My wife has a Glock 9mm for home protection. Holds 19. I told her if she has to use it to unload, period! Shoot till the MF is dead.
Whichever gun you choose, you will only get proficient if you practice alot. Practice as if were the real thing. Just like lifting, get the technique right and it will become second nature.
And to the poster that said you can’t have enough guns…Ahem Brother…
[quote]Big Aristotle wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
Sawn off shotgun. Easy to bring up, and nothing will survive after you fire that motherfucker.
Terrible advice. I hope your not serious.
Sawed off shotguns are 100% illegal in the US. In fact, in Georgia, any shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18.5" is illegal.
So in the event that you are forced to use it to stop a home invasion, you turn a legal use of deadly force into a felony and you end up spending many many years in prison. Game over.[/quote]
Or just as likely, if you have a short shotty you may get your wife and children murdered by federal agents.
No, I won’t drop it.
That said, the idea of spread in a shotty is overrated. Test the spread patterns at distances you’ll be firing in your house. I’ve an 18.5" Remmy 700 loaded with 000. Even in the longest axis I can shoot in my house the spread won’t be higher than a softball. In my opinion too many people don’t practice shotgun shooting enough because they just assume the spread will save their ass – it won’t.
Re: pistols. Ditto everyone who said pick what works for you. The whole thing is a give and take. Yes, your aim will be shit in a fight so you’ll want more ammo, but you also don’t want to hit a guy with your 9mm at 10 feet and die with another 10 rounds in your magazine. I stick with .40, but that’s just what works for me.
When I open carry (which tends to be when I’m carrying my baby on a sling) I carry a Beretta 96. It’s the same pistol I carried in the Corps but in .40.
For concealed carry I go with an XD40 subcompact. If you hate glocks, don’t judge all polymer pistols by them; try an XD.
The wife carries a Kel-Tec in .380. The thing can’t hit past 10’ and it’s pretty much going to be used pressed up against an attacker, but it’s tiny enough that it can be worn in a knife clip. Give and take. Gun guys are the friendliest you’ll ever meet. Most will let you shoot what they have.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
I went to a gun show today with my dad and grandpa just outside of Denver. It was actually a pretty good show with only a few tables selling shit like t-shirts and jewelry. However, I did like this one shirt that said Snipers: If you run you’ll only die tired.
Everyone is going fucking nuts about Obama taking their guns/ammo away and the dealers sure enjoy feeding the fire. Even loading supplies are getting expensive.
My dad bought some 40 ammo for his G23, a 30 round magazine and bayonet for his m1 carbine. He really wants to buy an original Garand but he just bought an SKS less than a month ago.
They also had some pretty cool red dot sights and explosive targets. I briefly glanced at the handguns but I could only buy long barrels since I have an out of state DL.
/Hijack
Reason I’d want the 20 rounds of 9mm is not necessarily for home defense but more likely for a mugging scenario. I’d be firing and running to cover so I’m sure accuracy would be shit. Now if I was at home shooting down a hallway ambushing an intruder I wouldn’t need that much…hopefully.
Look at the videos of cops and criminals firing at eachother at point blank and completely missing with their entire magazines. Shit put a laser sight on your handgun and you’ll notice that you may think you’re solid but the dot is always moving.
If you really wanted to take you’re traning seriously I’d find a range that would let me do burpees and/or windsprints then see how many I can get on target in a few seconds.
DON’T GET COCKY!!![/quote]
You make a good point about LEO’s my Criminal Law Prof was a captain in MI state police -had TONS of good stories. One of his partners was in a shooting with a perp right across the hood of a car from him. Both unloaded their mags without hitting the other. Only reason his partner won was because he did a lot of competition shooting for speed and accuracy so was faster on the reload.
I carry a S&W MP45 as my duty sidearm, and carry the MP9 compact as my off-duty. They’re good quality guns, and can be had for around 500 bones if you look in the right places. That being said, we previously carried the Sig P220 45ACP, that was a sweet gun! Going to run you at least 7 or 800 bucks though.
OP- CZs are good guns. If it feels good and points naturally for you, go ahead an get it. Now to clear something else up:
[quote]Big Aristotle wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
Big Aristotle wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
Sawn off shotgun. Easy to bring up, and nothing will survive after you fire that motherfucker.
Terrible advice. I hope your not serious.
Sawed off shotguns are 100% illegal in the US. In fact, in Georgia, any shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18.5" is illegal.
So in the event that you are forced to use it to stop a home invasion, you turn a legal use of deadly force into a felony and you end up spending many many years in prison. Game over.
If you’re serious about owning a gun, you must research your state’s gun laws just as much as the particular firearm itself.
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Short barreled shotguns are legal depending on your state’s laws concerning National Firearms Act (NFA) weapons. If they’re legal in your state, fill out either a Form 1 (if building your own) or Form 4 (if buying one complete). Then go through whatever hoops your state requires to get approval, and then mail off your forms to the ATF and $200. Wait 3-6 months and you’ll either get approved or rejected. Then go pick up your new weapon.
[quote]Big Aristotle wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
Sawn off shotgun. Easy to bring up, and nothing will survive after you fire that motherfucker.
Terrible advice. I hope your not serious.
Sawed off shotguns are 100% illegal in the US.
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No, depends on the state. There is a legal limit in length, not how you arrive at that length.
Taken from wiki so don’t know of the accuracy.
"18 inch barrel, and 26 inches overall from end of barrel to butt of stock. Some states have different rules. Michigan says 30 inches overall, so no folding stock rifles or shotguns.
Edit: In Michigan, Lengths between 26" and 30" can be registered as a handgun (so folding stocks and pistol grips can qualify). Any rifle or shotgun ammunition-shooting gun under 26" inches is a “short-barreled rifle”, illegal, and can’t even be registered as a handgun."
My personal choice for home defense be 30" double 410, the pattern at 15’ is about 16". Controllable and deadly.
When my dad worked for the teamsters in the 70’s, he had a double barrel 12 sawn off to forestock length with a pistol grip. I shot it a couple of times as a teen, and that sonofabitch would just about break your hand.
You make a good point about LEO’s my Criminal Law Prof was a captain in MI state police -had TONS of good stories. One of his partners was in a shooting with a perp right across the hood of a car from him.
Both unloaded their mags without hitting the other. Only reason his partner won was because he did a lot of competition shooting for speed and accuracy so was faster on the reload.[/quote]
It pisses me off how many people think they will be good in a gunfight because they practice at the range a bunch. FFS even soldiers (professional killers) have crap for accuracy when they are suprised by ambush or not ready for it cause they are back home and not in teh warzonez.
Ya you can aim at a range but most shootings take place at 15 feet or less. You going to take the time to draw your gun, assume firing position, and aim down your sights? No you are going to point shoot and you need to practice that one handed from regular standing/walking positions.
Thats why I really like laser sights because I could aim from my hip and be on target immediately as long as they are within 50 ft. If they aren’t within 50ft then I could use the sights or run away/cover.
well that’s the whole point of practice… unfortunately many ranges don’t let you practice in a helpful way which would be basically firing as soon as the muzzle is on target and rapid firing.
But ranges don’t let you draw from a holster or do rapid fire unless you pay the cash and belong to a good one, or make your own if you have a lot of property.
Our shooting team coach has a pretty good system of drawing, he’s in an isosceles stance and when he brings the gun up its already on target he doesn’t use the sights just eyeballs it. At 7 yds he’s pretty good getting them in about a 9 inch grouping or so.
No one really knows how they’ll react in a gun fight, not cops, not military no one, the only thing you can do is be as prepared as possible. Unfortunately the only way we can do that is at the range.
[quote]GVkid wrote:
well that’s the whole point of practice… unfortunately many ranges don’t let you practice in a helpful way which would be basically firing as soon as the muzzle is on target and rapid firing.
But ranges don’t let you draw from a holster or do rapid fire unless you pay the cash and belong to a good one, or make your own if you have a lot of property.
Our shooting team coach has a pretty good system of drawing, he’s in an isosceles stance and when he brings the gun up its already on target he doesn’t use the sights just eyeballs it. At 7 yds he’s pretty good getting them in about a 9 inch grouping or so.[/quote]
why goto a range. I go to a pasture. shoot swingers, and hunt prairie dogs with my .40. If you can hit a prairie dog, you can hit a person.
Thats completely different than being in a shootout. Prairie dogs don’t shoot back and you don’t have to cope with fear (unless you’re shooting some weird mutated prairie dog giants with big pointy teeth). And not everyone has land you can just go on to shoot. I did in my home town but that property has since been sold off and I’m in a big city now. They tend to frown on shooting for any reason in the middle of an apartment complex - and if it’s a field it’s either trespassing or not having a sufficient backdrop to shoot against.
For self defense purposes, that is a good gun
( a CZ, Ceska Zbrojovka 75, caliber 9 mm.) I like it because it have less recoil, also its very portable, sure all of you can argue that a big caliber (like .40) can cause more damage, but their weight, their bigger recoil and their limited ammo capacity -CZ have 15+1 and 18+1 bullet cap magazines.- put an handycap in their use, this gun can be very versatile, you can -cause i do- fire it within your jacket, or inside your pocket.
(take out a gun in the street, and your would be probably shooted, and or identified)
Most of the time, you don’t have enough time to take your gun and you must use, within the first minutes, use your hands. so don’t rely always in your handgun.
[quote]Murasame wrote:
you can -cause i do- fire it within your jacket, or inside your pocket.
(take out a gun in the street, and your would be probably shooted, and or identified)
Most of the time, you don’t have enough time to take your gun and you must use, within the first minutes, use your hands. so don’t rely always in your handgun.
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Good point and why quite a few people that CC use internal hammer revolvers. Less capacity but you can fire it in your coat and don’t have to worry about clothes jamming it up. I’d still go for higher capacity though.
