Gunning for Mormons

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I know hundreds of LDSers. None of them have more than one wife. I guess the modern catholic church should be considered hypocrites as well since their religion was involved in the Spanish Inquisition, huh?
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A hypocrite is someone who applies a double standard. How is the Spanish Inquisition applying a double standard?

You ignored my point about the Mormon church continuing to believe in the doctrine of polygamy, since a core part of their doctrine is that men will practice polygamy in the hereafter.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Badunk wrote:
Why should ANY church be tax exempt? They are, in the main, cash-rich BUSINESSES.

Total scam, if you ask me.

it is a non-profit business, that is why?

So nobody makes money off the church? We have churches here that pay for the Pastors living costs.

Non profit my ass.[/quote]

In the US, the money, considerations, and rent paid to, or on behalf of the pastor of a church is taxable income to the pastor.

I don’t think anyone gives a flying fuck about churches in New Zealand.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I know hundreds of LDSers. None of them have more than one wife. I guess the modern catholic church should be considered hypocrites as well since their religion was involved in the Spanish Inquisition, huh?

A hypocrite is someone who applies a double standard. How is the Spanish Inquisition applying a double standard?

You ignored my point about the Mormon church continuing to believe in the doctrine of polygamy, since a core part of their doctrine is that men will practice polygamy in the hereafter.[/quote]

he Catholic Church is against murder. Do you really need such basic logic spelled out for you?

Mormons are against gay marriage. They played by the rules of our democracy. Whether they are polygamist, monogamous, or whether they like to fuck stump-broke cows is irrelevant to this discussion.

Your fucking whining about their hypocrisy is getting old and played. It means nothing, and will accomplish nothing except to give you someone to blame for 53% of the voters in California telling you that they don’t want to legalize gay marriage.

You and your gay pals lost. Stop reciting the talking points of the militant gay crowd. Accept the loss and move on to the next battle.

I swear, every time there is a thread about homosexuality, you show up and turn it into fucking 40 page circle jerk.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
he Catholic Church is against murder. Do you really need such basic logic spelled out for you? [/quote]

You were the one insinuating the Catholic church isn’t similarly hypcritical, dumb ass. Can you not see the parallel between Catholics criticizing other organizations with a history of murder and Mormons criticizing other groups with a history of “nontraditional marriage”?

Hypocrisy is irrelevant because you say it is?

I’ve seen plenty of posts from you in this thread, which makes you a…

hypocrite

bow

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Actively supporting Proposition 8 and telling church members to vote for it is a clear violation of the nonprofit status of the LDS church.

Again, they can preach whatever they want but from a legal perspective they cannot do so and enjoy the tax writeoffs of a nonprofit organization.[/quote]

sure can separation of church and state,

As a church it is their right under the separation of church and state to teach their moral beliefs, and as a non profit business, their reight to a tax exempt status.

it wasn’t the church that funded anything it was private members, they have the right to do that too.

Sorry it seems gay activist just want to take everyone elses rights away.

you sir are the hypocrit.

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I guess I should clear up the fact that the LDS Church did not tell me how to vote. The individual members discussed the topic. In fact several times the topic was brought up in church and the church leaders reminded members that during church was not the time or place to discuss political views. It was made very clear. As far as the church contributing money for the cause, ok, big deal.

Next issue is the continuous harping on Polygamy, Yes, the LDS Church practiced Polygamy, we all do not need a continual reminder of the history of the LDS Church. You all however are providing great opportunities for members to share the gospel with others, so, if you want to continue then by all means. I am not a spokesman for the church all I can say is the church does not practice polygamy, and those members who do, are no longer members. So, they can call themselves whatever they like, the bottom line is they are not LDS, Mormon, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or whatever other moniker you want to call LDS Members.

Next issue, forlife you seem to know a small amount about the LDS Church, were you once a member? Could your obsession be a disgruntled member wanting to air his dirty laundry to the world?

Oh, and as far as the Supreme Court stepping in for true civil right issues, I am in favor of that. But for a group who chose to live a life that is against all laws of nature to compare themselves to a group who were persecuted because of forces, which could not be changed by nature or anything else, ie; the color of their skin, to me is the height of hypocrisy.

And finally, if there were any organization, which should defend the rights of traditional marriage, should it not be a religious organization? So, logically would they not be the largest contributors to try to keep traditional marriage? Just a thought.

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[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
all I can say is the church does not practice polygamy[/quote]

You’re dodging my point, which was that despite not practicing polygamy the LDS church continues to believe that polygamy is the defining state of exaltation in the afterlife.

I’m not criticizing the right of the LDS church to define their doctrines however they like. What I find repugnant is the hypocrisy of campaigning against gay marriage on the platform that it is contrary to traditional marriage. That is hypocrisy, period.

I was a TBM for a long time. I knew with every fiber of my being that Heavenly Father had told me through the power of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon was true, Joseph Smith was a prophet, and Mormonism was the only true church in the world.

Lol.

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For the tolerant, anti-bigotry/discrimination folks, an invitation to a discussion about marriage.
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/right_to_marriage_benefits

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
he Catholic Church is against murder. Do you really need such basic logic spelled out for you?

You were the one insinuating the Catholic church isn’t similarly hypcritical, dumb ass. Can you not see the parallel between Catholics criticizing other organizations with a history of murder and Mormons criticizing other groups with a history of “nontraditional marriage”?[/quote]

You are one stupid fuck. I don’t know why I even bother.

[quote]Whether they are polygamist, monogamous, or whether they like to fuck stump-broke cows is irrelevant to this discussion.

Hypocrisy is irrelevant because you say it is? [/quote]

No, because hypocrisy is not a reason to bitch about losing an election. Even if the Mormons were oozing hypocrisy from every pore, it has absolutely no relevance to the fact that the gay were defeated.

You lost, and won’t shut the fuck up with your whining.

[quote]I swear, every time there is a thread about homosexuality, you show up and turn it into fucking 40 page circle jerk.

I’ve seen plenty of posts from you in this thread, which makes you a…

hypocrite
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I am not the main poster in the gay threads. That would be you.

I have 13000 or so posts that are scattered all over this website. Your posts are all concentrated in threads where you are attempting to give a lifestyle choice equal footing with skin color and physical defect.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
he Catholic Church is against murder. Do you really need such basic logic spelled out for you?

You were the one insinuating the Catholic church isn’t similarly hypcritical, dumb ass. Can you not see the parallel between Catholics criticizing other organizations with a history of murder and Mormons criticizing other groups with a history of “nontraditional marriage”?

You are one stupid fuck. I don’t know why I even bother.

Whether they are polygamist, monogamous, or whether they like to fuck stump-broke cows is irrelevant to this discussion.

Hypocrisy is irrelevant because you say it is?

No, because hypocrisy is not a reason to bitch about losing an election. Even if the Mormons were oozing hypocrisy from every pore, it has absolutely no relevance to the fact that the gay were defeated.

You lost, and won’t shut the fuck up with your whining.

I swear, every time there is a thread about homosexuality, you show up and turn it into fucking 40 page circle jerk.

I’ve seen plenty of posts from you in this thread, which makes you a…

hypocrite

I am not the main poster in the gay threads. That would be you.

I have 13000 or so posts that are scattered all over this website. Your posts are all concentrated in threads where you are attempting to give a lifestyle choice equal footing with skin color and physical defect. [/quote]

Good call Rick, you’ve exposed forlifes goal of posting on as many threads about homosexuality as possible. His secondary goal is to attempt to turn every other thread into a thread about homosexuality.

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Not dodging the point. You point is taken, noted, and you should know that traditional marriage is very important to the LDS Faith in this life. What happens in the next life is in the next life. We are talking about here and now. Which makes the LDS Church a leader in the fight to maintain traditional marriage. We will worry about protecting traditional marriage in the next life when we get there. Now, if there is an argument in the next life about traditional marriage you may have a point about hypocrisy, but for now, we are fighting for traditional marriage here in this life, and have for many years now. I don’t see the hypocrisy.

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[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
Not dodging the point. You point is taken, noted, and you should know that traditional marriage is very important to the LDS Faith in this life. What happens in the next life is in the next life. We are talking about here and now. Which makes the LDS Church a leader in the fight to maintain traditional marriage. We will worry about protecting traditional marriage in the next life when we get there. Now, if there is an argument in the next life about traditional marriage you may have a point about hypocrisy, but for now, we are fighting for traditional marriage here in this life, and have for many years now. I don’t see the hypocrisy.[/quote]

So it is ok for Mormons to believe in polygamy 100 years ago, and to believe in polygamy in the afterlife, but as long as they don’t currently practice polygamy it is ok for them to judge others for not practicing “traditional marriage”? Does that mean it would have been ok for gays to get married 100 years ago, or in the afterlife? Do you seriously not see the hypocrisy in that?

Besides, Mormons do practice polygamy today in their temple ceremonies. Men are allowed to be sealed for time and eternity to multiple women in the temple, but women can only be sealed to one man.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
No, because hypocrisy is not a reason to bitch about losing an election. Even if the Mormons were oozing hypocrisy from every pore, it has absolutely no relevance to the fact that the gay were defeated.
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You’re the one bringing up the election, dumb ass. I’m bitching about the hypocrisy of Mormons campaigning on the basis of “traditional marriage” and have said nothing about losing the election.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
No, because hypocrisy is not a reason to bitch about losing an election. Even if the Mormons were oozing hypocrisy from every pore, it has absolutely no relevance to the fact that the gay were defeated.

You’re the one bringing up the election, dumb ass. I’m bitching about the hypocrisy of Mormons campaigning on the basis of “traditional marriage” and have said nothing about losing the election.[/quote]

And just like I said a couple of pages ago, whatever hypocrisy you think the Mormons have is irrelevant to the outcome of the election - which is all you have been fucking whining about since the results came in.

The mormons have dick to do with your position(s).

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Rainjack, I have to disagree with you that the Mormons don’t have anything to do with his position. I think they have everything to do with his position.

forlife, is under the impression that if he can deny what he once knew to be true, than he will not be held accountable for the knowledge he has obtained and therefore he can continue to live a life, which he chose to live. If in his mind he can justify his existence as being right, he is no longer accountable to God, because God does not exist. Therefore religion does not exist, rules do not apply to him, and he can continue to live his CHOSEN life style.

And, just so you do not think I’m dodging your question, for life, I will answer it this way. Yes, the LDS Church practiced polygamy. Yes, it was taught in our church for a short time period before it was declared illegal by the U.S. Government. Yes, we fought in a vain attempt to keep it. Yet, we lost, and instead of whining and crying about it, we accepted it for what it is. We embraced the laws of the land, and if you check around you will find many employers and many U.S. Government Agencies who depend a great deal on LDS Members and the sacrifices they have made for this country. Now, I’m not so nieve as to assume that LDS Members are the only ones who have made sacrifices for our country, my point is we accepted the law of the land. We did not go out and riot in the streets, burn down peoples homes, force people out of their homes in the dead of winter and force them to walk out of the country. Not once, not twice, but three times. I have not heard the Governor of any states issuing an extermination order on Gays? Even after all of this, we embraced the Government and have been staunch supporters of it, and will continue to be. I did not vote for Obama, but I don’t think he is going to wake up and say let me see what I can do to ruin the country today. I believe it will be business as usual in Washington. I will agree with somethings he does and disagree with others. But isn’t it great that we have that right in this country.

As far as the afterlife goes, what happens there is up to God. I’m not going to tell you or anyone else how to believe. If you don’t believe it than fine. We can agree to disagree. But, no I do not see the hypocrisy in a Church, or Religious organization, supporting traditional marriage. If they did not, than who would?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
And just like I said a couple of pages ago, whatever hypocrisy you think the Mormons have is irrelevant to the outcome of the election - which is all you have been fucking whining about since the results came in.
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I never said their hypocrisy had anything to do with the outcome of the election. Pull your head out of your ass and try to actually follow what I’m saying.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And just like I said a couple of pages ago, whatever hypocrisy you think the Mormons have is irrelevant to the outcome of the election - which is all you have been fucking whining about since the results came in.

I never said their hypocrisy had anything to do with the outcome of the election. Pull your head out of your ass and try to actually follow what I’m saying.
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I am. Maybe you should follow your own advice.

The Mormon angle was not discussed here to this degree before the election. You lost, and now it’s all about the hypocrisy of the evil LDS’s.

Whining is whining is whining is whining. That is just about all you do.

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[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
forlife, is under the impression that if he can deny what he once knew to be true, than he will not be held accountable for the knowledge he has obtained and therefore he can continue to live a life, which he chose to live.[/quote]

You found me out. God knows I couldn’t actually have valid reasons for believing the Mormon church is based on fairy tales.

I don’t find most religions hypocritical for condemning gays on the basis of “traditional marriage”. I’m reserving that criticism for Mormons, because their history and current doctrine is steeped in “nontraditional marriage”.

You dodged my point again. You do realize that polygamy is alive and well in Mormon temples, right? Right now, men are being sealed for time and eternity to multiple women. Of course, women can only be sealed to one man. And you don’t see that as flying in the face of “traditional marriage”?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
The Mormon angle was not discussed here to this degree before the election. You lost, and now it’s all about the hypocrisy of the evil LDS’s.
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Maybe that’s because this is the first thread to specifically discuss the role of Mormons in condemning gay marriage on the basis of “traditional marriage”?

Seriously, try to listen more and shout less. You might realize that your hyperventilations are much ado about nothing.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
The Mormon angle was not discussed here to this degree before the election. You lost, and now it’s all about the hypocrisy of the evil LDS’s.

Maybe that’s because this is the first thread to specifically discuss the role of Mormons in condemning gay marriage on the basis of “traditional marriage”?

Seriously, try to listen more and shout less. You might realize that your hyperventilations are much ado about nothing.[/quote]

A thread that just happened to start up after the election? A thread in which you set up shop and start whining about how the gays are being denied some rights they think they are entitled to?

Yeah. I got it. SOP for the resident militant gay activist.

I am not yelling. But even if I were, how could you hear it over your incessant whine?