Just as it seems odd to target some ghetto hood rat when he is but a blip when it comes to reflecting black people. They seem to be a different crowd from the Obamas, the MLKs, the Coltranes, deGrasse Tysons, etc.
It seems odd to have a show like Jersey Shore to target Italian-Americans when those actors are playing characters who are but a blip when it comes to Italian-Americans as a whole. They seem to be a rather different crowd from the Cuomos, Giulianis, Di Maggios, Fermis, etc.
Well, if blips bother you, why focus on the blip? The NRA type, with their scary rifles, is hardly the type responsible for gun related deaths. Handguns and a different whatever is acceptable in social science lingo group or groups of folks.
How many of those road deaths were defined as accidents vs how many mass shootings were defined as accidental? Age (or even life itself) is the leading cause of death so what do we do about that?
I don’t get your point. How many more road deaths would there be without government required safety measures in cars? Has MADD brought about changes in DUI laws that have reduced drunk driving deaths?
They don’t bother me, you brought it up so ask yourself that, because the blips are where the comedy resides.
A more serious answer answer would be the blips are louder than a blip should be.
I would need to see facts before believing this to be true or false. You need to also define NRA type.
Well, if we subtract accidents and self-harm, gun related deaths get cut by roughly two thirds, I believe.
And there are laws against certain people buying guns(federal law 18 usc 922), yet there are very loud cries of “do something” and “we need common sense gun laws” (like we don’t already have any.)
As Sloth was saying, the chance of you getting killed by a car(or blunt objects, or knife, or fists) is much, much higher than getting killed by a rifle or specifically an AR-15, yet people are causing an uproar about the AR-15 and pretty silent about statistically more likely causes of death.(Thanks media.) That’s fucking silly. This whole thread is kind of unproductive. 2nd A is not going anywhere. removing AR-15s from the public is an emotional response that will fix nothing.
The real conversation needs to be what policy changes would people like to see implemented in the US and how can we limit school shootings/mass shootings.
And your point is?
Sigh, see norse84’s reply.
I don’t think anyone is pretty silent about other causes of death.
And the argument from the other side would be that in a real conversation there shouldn’t be limits placed upon what is discussed, such as gun laws.
More people die in cars. OK. More people die from old age. So let’s not have any laws at all since you are more likely to die from being old. The argument isn’t about death but a certain type of death.
This discussion has reached a level of silliness I didn’t know existed…
Ya, I’m looking forward to the “March for our lives” regarding knives and blunt instruments coming up.(End sarcasm.)
Who’s placing limits on what can be discussed? I’m waiting for someone to name something specific that they think would help. Not just “do something.”
Again, the certain type of death being discussed and demonized is minute in comparison to the deaths I mentioned above but the same level of outrage is not applied. Why is that?
No one is saying we shouldn’t have laws. Christ. We’re waiting for people to present something other than taking guns away and “do something.” We have gun laws! Maybe we just need to enforce them…
No thanks, I don’t want to define the NRA type. I can only share the typical stereotypes I see presented out in popular culture. The white yokel, NRA stickers on his pick 'em up truck, shooting up everybody with his arsenal of AR-15s. But when I look at where the homicides are unevenly occurring (urban centers), and among the victims (roughly 53% of a 17% population), and largely with what type of firearm (the handgun)…That fear of NRA redneck and his AR-15 collection seems out of place. The numbers, and the reaction, and the vitriol for a particular group seems out of place…
To be fair, had Russia not joined the fight, there may be no Assad right now. He was out on a very narrow brittle, branch with no international backing. It was Russia, not the standing Syrian army that turned that situation around.
Damn dude, we aren’t mouth breathers. We’re not swayed to buy a gun just to support a 'well regulated militia… That’s not a selling point.
The only point that matters is that an armed populous has a chance at revolution should the shit hit the fan, politically and financially. And further to ascribe a healthy fear by the government, of it’s people.
The days that would have to come for this to emerge would be the darkest of days, not resembling the sunny existence we enjoy right now.
Do you think, that if the entire USSR had weapons that they would have tolerated Stalin? Sure Stalin’s army could do damage, but it could not resist the entire population of the country coming for his ass. They took it because they had to, the only people with weapons was the government.
Nevertheless, a ‘well regulated militia’ is not a sales pitch, nor does it tickles the ass of any gun owners.
The gun/car comparison is off the mark, but the gun/seatbelt is spot on.
Agents of a tyrannical government are shamelessly intruding into the personal space of your own vehicle, under the mistaken assumption that you’re not a responsible driver and that you may “hurt” yourself in an “alleged” car accident that probably won’t happen - but they forget that it is careless drivers kill themselves and other people and that (not) wearing a seatbelt has nothing do to with it, right?
. What outrage! What infraction of liberty!
You missed the part about a spectacularly bloody five-year civil war where everyone had guns and armed peasants were crucifying captured Bolsheviks.
Again, his clan would have held out if he didn’t have Christians/Alawites/Druzes backing him up. You need a base, a block of the population - armed forces of a country do not exist in a vacuum.
But there are already gun laws, standards, and restrictions too, loppar. Yet, despite somewhat equal deaths, guns (and certain ones at that) are being treated with an almost phobic hysteria while the same angry anti-NRA individual then jumps into their SUV and proceeds to do over the speed limit, while scrolling through contacts on their cell-phone to call a fellow attendee about meeting up at the anti-gun rally.Where is there “doing something now, pass new whatever laws, limit the top speed of vehicles to ten over the highway limit, whatever” shouts?
You.
Let’s see…car ACCIDENT vs mass murderer, sometimes of children.
And what law would have stopped Adam Lanza, the Parkland shooter or Vegas shooter?
Then maybe you shouldn’t use a term you are unwilling to define.
But we are talking about mass shooters. Why stray from that subject?