Gun Love II

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[quote]GetitUp wrote:

Mine will be due for a cleaning up after a couple hundred more rounds, so i need to browse over the field stripping sequence again before i actually do it the first time. [/quote]

It is beyond easy to break down. The MINI on the other hand is a massive pain in the ass, lol.

Push the take down pin, pull charging handle… Field stripped, lol.

[quote]Im going today to pick up supplies, either FrogLube or the Slip, and some CLP to clean things up. Ive also read really good things about Hoppes #9 from the AR guys, but ill get whatever they carry/like at the LGS most likely.

Also just personally, even though a BUNCH of guys use a synthetic motor oil & atf concoction(they call it “red oil”) i just think the smell would drive me nuts![/quote]

You’ll be fine, just be wary of the internet hate of Frog Lube… Sort of like .40. Some groups just hate on it, and will for whatever reason.

Fanboys etc…

I don’t know, don’t have an issue with either.

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[quote]pat wrote:

And your right, you don’t have to eat off your gun, but I obsess over it as a hobby, not cause it’s necessary. To have a weapon you’ve put well over 1k rounds through and you cannot find spec of dirt or powder anywhere is just cool to me.
So in other words, if for some reason we did a trade, you’d be getting as close to perfect as a used gun can get. But that’s cause I enjoy rubbing on them, not 'cause it’s necessary.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong, I like cleaning my guns, I’m just no worried about making sure they are factory spotless.

I get the desire to, I just dont’ have it. I dont’ judge.

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2048×1536 911 KB

Picked up the glock 41 yesterday. Added the Dawson precision adjustable sights and stipples today. Can’t wait to shoot it tomorrow.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
My new toy. Have a suppressor for it, not shown.[/quote]

Tavor?[/quote]

Yes. Sadly did not come with pictured accessory.

It’s a brilliant weapon. Very well thought out, down to the break down pins that don’t fall out, to using the back of your thumb/hand to release the magazine (so the rifle stays up on target and finger near trigger).

You can also open a door knob while keeping the rifle up and on target.

Took me about 10 minutes to sight it in, and shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards.

Trigger pull is a bit heavy, so I might get an aftermarket set up.[/quote]

Too bad about the accessory.

It does seem like a beautiful rifle though. From my (Canadian) perspective one big plus is that falls into the non-restricted category under our firearms laws whereas all the AR variants are restricted.

I have heard a few complaints about the stock trigger, but other than that it seems like a really good way to go. Sexy as hell.

I covet.
[/quote]

I don’t know Canadian gun laws, at all, except I had to fill out a sheet of paper one time to bring in my Weatherby .300 to go shoot a moose that said I was not a lunatic or a jihadi, and the Mounty profusely apologized for my having to fill it out. They were also a bit confused by “New Mexico,” thinking it was part of “Mexico.” I had to assure them that, no, New Mexico was, indeed, part of the States.

That said, the fact that the Tavor is legal in Canada when an AR is not is bonkers. It’s a far more effective weapon if one was to go on a shooting spree, for example. All the rifle benefits of power and accuracy, smashed down into a little mobile package of a pistol with 30 rounds.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
My new toy. Have a suppressor for it, not shown.[/quote]

Tavor?[/quote]

Yes. Sadly did not come with pictured accessory.

It’s a brilliant weapon. Very well thought out, down to the break down pins that don’t fall out, to using the back of your thumb/hand to release the magazine (so the rifle stays up on target and finger near trigger).

You can also open a door knob while keeping the rifle up and on target.

Took me about 10 minutes to sight it in, and shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards.

Trigger pull is a bit heavy, so I might get an aftermarket set up.[/quote]

Too bad about the accessory.

It does seem like a beautiful rifle though. From my (Canadian) perspective one big plus is that falls into the non-restricted category under our firearms laws whereas all the AR variants are restricted.

I have heard a few complaints about the stock trigger, but other than that it seems like a really good way to go. Sexy as hell.

I covet.
[/quote]

I don’t know Canadian gun laws, at all, except I had to fill out a sheet of paper one time to bring in my Weatherby .300 to go shoot a moose that said I was not a lunatic or a jihadi, and the Mounty profusely apologized for my having to fill it out. They were also a bit confused by “New Mexico,” thinking it was part of “Mexico.” I had to assure them that, no, New Mexico was, indeed, part of the States.

That said, the fact that the Tavor is legal in Canada when an AR is not is bonkers. It’s a far more effective weapon if one was to go on a shooting spree, for example. All the rifle benefits of power and accuracy, smashed down into a little mobile package of a pistol with 30 rounds.[/quote]

Well, the laws are a bit convoluted at times. However the AR is not illegal so much as restricted, meaning you need an additional endorsement on your firearms licence to buy/possess one and you can basically only transport it to and from a range/gunsmith etc. unloaded and under lock and key. You cannot take it out into the field.

I believe the reason the Tavor is exempt from this is the fact that it is not easily modified to full auto (or so I seem to recall reading). It does seem a little bonkers, cause yeah, a wacko could kill the shit out of all kinds of people with a Tavor (or an 870 Remington for that matter) and neither is restricted. However any of your AR/Ak platforms and ANY pistol is restricted. Greater minds than mine, Brother.

Still stoked that the Tavor is unrestricted.

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Oh yeah, and as I recall the max legal capacity for mags in semi-auto, centre fire rifles is 5. Canadians tend to have wicked fast/smooth mag changes lol.

Editted

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
My new toy. Have a suppressor for it, not shown.[/quote]

Tavor?[/quote]

Yes. Sadly did not come with pictured accessory.

It’s a brilliant weapon. Very well thought out, down to the break down pins that don’t fall out, to using the back of your thumb/hand to release the magazine (so the rifle stays up on target and finger near trigger).

You can also open a door knob while keeping the rifle up and on target.

Took me about 10 minutes to sight it in, and shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards.

Trigger pull is a bit heavy, so I might get an aftermarket set up.[/quote]

Too bad about the accessory.

It does seem like a beautiful rifle though. From my (Canadian) perspective one big plus is that falls into the non-restricted category under our firearms laws whereas all the AR variants are restricted.

I have heard a few complaints about the stock trigger, but other than that it seems like a really good way to go. Sexy as hell.

I covet.
[/quote]

I don’t know Canadian gun laws, at all, except I had to fill out a sheet of paper one time to bring in my Weatherby .300 to go shoot a moose that said I was not a lunatic or a jihadi, and the Mounty profusely apologized for my having to fill it out. They were also a bit confused by “New Mexico,” thinking it was part of “Mexico.” I had to assure them that, no, New Mexico was, indeed, part of the States.

That said, the fact that the Tavor is legal in Canada when an AR is not is bonkers. It’s a far more effective weapon if one was to go on a shooting spree, for example. All the rifle benefits of power and accuracy, smashed down into a little mobile package of a pistol with 30 rounds.[/quote]

Well, the laws are a bit convoluted at times. However the AR is not illegal so much as restricted, meaning you need an additional endorsement on your firearms licence to buy/possess one and you can basically only transport it to and from a range/gunsmith etc. unloaded and under lock and key. You cannot take it out into the field.

I believe the reason the Tavor is exempt from this is the fact that it is not easily modified to full auto (or so I seem to recall reading). It does seem a little bonkers, cause yeah, a wacko could kill the shit out of all kinds of people with a Tavor (or an 870 Remington for that matter) and neither is restricted. However any of your AR/Ak platforms and ANY pistol is restricted. Greater minds than mine, Brother.

Still stoked that the Tavor is unrestricted.[/quote]

In Canada I could get a Polytech or Norinco M-14 knock off for around $600. From what I read they are excellent rifles with forged receivers, but not a whole lot different from the Springfield Armory Inc. M-1A that costs $1400. They are both magazine fed semi-auto rifles that couldn’t be converted to full auto fire without significant work. I think this is more of a problem with American gun laws than Canadian, and I have always suspected that the American gun manufacturers have their hands in gun control legislation even though they may claim to be pro-second amendment.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:
Oh yeah, and as I recall the max legal capacity for mags in semi-auto, centre fire rifles is 5. Canadians tend to have wicked fast/smooth mag changes lol.

Editted[/quote]

Highly confused now. So a Tavor in Canada is limited to 5 rounds? I ask because there are videos all day long of Canadians shooting Tavors with 30 rounds.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
My new toy. Have a suppressor for it, not shown.[/quote]

Tavor?[/quote]

Yes. Sadly did not come with pictured accessory.

It’s a brilliant weapon. Very well thought out, down to the break down pins that don’t fall out, to using the back of your thumb/hand to release the magazine (so the rifle stays up on target and finger near trigger).

You can also open a door knob while keeping the rifle up and on target.

Took me about 10 minutes to sight it in, and shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards.

Trigger pull is a bit heavy, so I might get an aftermarket set up.[/quote]

Too bad about the accessory.

It does seem like a beautiful rifle though. From my (Canadian) perspective one big plus is that falls into the non-restricted category under our firearms laws whereas all the AR variants are restricted.

I have heard a few complaints about the stock trigger, but other than that it seems like a really good way to go. Sexy as hell.

I covet.
[/quote]

I don’t know Canadian gun laws, at all, except I had to fill out a sheet of paper one time to bring in my Weatherby .300 to go shoot a moose that said I was not a lunatic or a jihadi, and the Mounty profusely apologized for my having to fill it out. They were also a bit confused by “New Mexico,” thinking it was part of “Mexico.” I had to assure them that, no, New Mexico was, indeed, part of the States.

That said, the fact that the Tavor is legal in Canada when an AR is not is bonkers. It’s a far more effective weapon if one was to go on a shooting spree, for example. All the rifle benefits of power and accuracy, smashed down into a little mobile package of a pistol with 30 rounds.[/quote]

Well, the laws are a bit convoluted at times. However the AR is not illegal so much as restricted, meaning you need an additional endorsement on your firearms licence to buy/possess one and you can basically only transport it to and from a range/gunsmith etc. unloaded and under lock and key. You cannot take it out into the field.

I believe the reason the Tavor is exempt from this is the fact that it is not easily modified to full auto (or so I seem to recall reading). It does seem a little bonkers, cause yeah, a wacko could kill the shit out of all kinds of people with a Tavor (or an 870 Remington for that matter) and neither is restricted. However any of your AR/Ak platforms and ANY pistol is restricted. Greater minds than mine, Brother.

Still stoked that the Tavor is unrestricted.[/quote]

In Canada I could get a Polytech or Norinco M-14 knock off for around $600. From what I read they are excellent rifles with forged receivers, but not a whole lot different from the Springfield Armory Inc. M-1A that costs $1400. They are both magazine fed semi-auto rifles that couldn’t be converted to full auto fire without significant work. I think this is more of a problem with American gun laws than Canadian, and I have always suspected that the American gun manufacturers have their hands in gun control legislation even though they may claim to be pro-second amendment.
[/quote]

Yeah, I kinda cocked that up.

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
a firearm that Is not a prohibited firearm,
has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm

The “prescribed” bit at the end is where the AR comes in. It has been specifically named as a restricted weapon. The Tavor has not. Why? Because. That’s why.

Edited

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
Oh yeah, and as I recall the max legal capacity for mags in semi-auto, centre fire rifles is 5. Canadians tend to have wicked fast/smooth mag changes lol.

Editted[/quote]

Highly confused now. So a Tavor in Canada is limited to 5 rounds? I ask because there are videos all day long of Canadians shooting Tavors with 30 rounds.

Yeah, I know. I don’t know what to tell you.

This is from the RCMP website and is what I’ve been led to understand is the regulation:

  1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. (This bit would seem to me to apply to Tavor, AR, SKS etc.)

However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:

magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited

Edit: if you actually watch the shooting in the video you’ll see it’s only ever 5 rounds in sequence then mag change. The mags are full length for ease of handling, but will only accept 5 rounds (if they’re legal).

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
My new toy. Have a suppressor for it, not shown.[/quote]

Tavor?[/quote]

Yes. Sadly did not come with pictured accessory.

It’s a brilliant weapon. Very well thought out, down to the break down pins that don’t fall out, to using the back of your thumb/hand to release the magazine (so the rifle stays up on target and finger near trigger).

You can also open a door knob while keeping the rifle up and on target.

Took me about 10 minutes to sight it in, and shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards.

Trigger pull is a bit heavy, so I might get an aftermarket set up.[/quote]

Too bad about the accessory.

It does seem like a beautiful rifle though. From my (Canadian) perspective one big plus is that falls into the non-restricted category under our firearms laws whereas all the AR variants are restricted.

I have heard a few complaints about the stock trigger, but other than that it seems like a really good way to go. Sexy as hell.

I covet.
[/quote]

I don’t know Canadian gun laws, at all, except I had to fill out a sheet of paper one time to bring in my Weatherby .300 to go shoot a moose that said I was not a lunatic or a jihadi, and the Mounty profusely apologized for my having to fill it out. They were also a bit confused by “New Mexico,” thinking it was part of “Mexico.” I had to assure them that, no, New Mexico was, indeed, part of the States.

That said, the fact that the Tavor is legal in Canada when an AR is not is bonkers. It’s a far more effective weapon if one was to go on a shooting spree, for example. All the rifle benefits of power and accuracy, smashed down into a little mobile package of a pistol with 30 rounds.[/quote]

Well, the laws are a bit convoluted at times. However the AR is not illegal so much as restricted, meaning you need an additional endorsement on your firearms licence to buy/possess one and you can basically only transport it to and from a range/gunsmith etc. unloaded and under lock and key. You cannot take it out into the field.

I believe the reason the Tavor is exempt from this is the fact that it is not easily modified to full auto (or so I seem to recall reading). It does seem a little bonkers, cause yeah, a wacko could kill the shit out of all kinds of people with a Tavor (or an 870 Remington for that matter) and neither is restricted. However any of your AR/Ak platforms and ANY pistol is restricted. Greater minds than mine, Brother.

Still stoked that the Tavor is unrestricted.[/quote]

In Canada I could get a Polytech or Norinco M-14 knock off for around $600. From what I read they are excellent rifles with forged receivers, but not a whole lot different from the Springfield Armory Inc. M-1A that costs $1400. They are both magazine fed semi-auto rifles that couldn’t be converted to full auto fire without significant work. I think this is more of a problem with American gun laws than Canadian, and I have always suspected that the American gun manufacturers have their hands in gun control legislation even though they may claim to be pro-second amendment.
[/quote]

Yeah, I kinda cocked that up.

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
a firearm that Is not a prohibited firearm,
has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm

The “prescribed” bit at the end is where the AR comes in. It has been specifically named as a restricted weapon. The Tavor has not. Why? Because. That’s why.

Edited[/quote]

What happens if you own a Tavor now, and next year the powers that be decide the Tavor is a scary assault rifle and they ban it?

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Shot this bad boy today. Accurate, I am in love. I know the trend is toward 9mm, but I love me some .45.

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Picked up one of the Sig SP2022 polymer framed 226 clone on sale for like $360 or so shipped. It came with factory night sights, in a plastic case, with two mags, and a paddle holster.

I’ve never been blown away by Sig pistols, but I haven’t shot them much and I figured this was a good way to give it a trial run. Plus, I like the idea of a decocker pistol for concealed carry, especially when carrying appendix. I’ll end up giving one of the CZ polymer ones a try to when I feel like spending more money.

I put ~150 rounds through it the other day and I like it.

No trouble at all keeping them in a 7"x11" target at 25 yards from single action. The double action trigger pull is not terrible, but I still need to learn it. I was shooting controlled pairs from low ready for time and I threw the first double action pull if I tried to shoot fast.

It’s a heavy gun, I think they make a smaller one for CHL/CCW but don’t import it, but it made 1 handed shooting easy. Virtually no recoil and the sights fell right back onto the target.

Two replaceable grips, and I’m running the smaller one. The texture on them is like molded sand paper and they are very solid. Again it’s heavy too and in 9mm, so the recoil is very tame, even one handed.

I normally shoot Glocks and this one points different, but the Glock point is unnatural to me anyway but I’ve learned to deal with it. I almost guarantee I could shave .2 seconds from my draw with a gun that points not like a Glock.

Only problem was slide wouldn’t lock back on empty with 3 kinds of ammo, my action pistol handloads which I didn’t think would, but Federal 115gr, American Eagle 147gr, and some 124gr freedom munitions reloads wouldn’t lock it back either. I’m assuming it’s still new, but I might order another recoil spring or cut a couple links off the one it came with if it doesn’t start to function right.

The only other thing I don’t like is the loaded chamber indicator, which is there no doubt due to some states thinking some mechanical device will make the gun safer. IMO, it’s just another mechanical device to break on what would be very simple machines.

I ordered 5 mags with it that haven’t shipped yet, but when they arrive, I’ll run it in USPSA and IDPA to see how I can shoot it under a bit of stress.

I don’t know if I’ll switch from my Glocks, but for the price, I don’t know how this gun is not a bigger contender for the budget minded new gun buyer.

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I have the 2022 also and have the same issue with the slide not locking back. My problem is due to having my thumb on the slide stop. It’s in a bad spot for me. Reliable and accurate otherwise though I think it’s a steal for that price.

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I’ve never shot a polymer Sig, but I am a big fan of the aluminum frame P229 and P226. If I recall correctly, a new P226 with night sights goes for close to $900, which is the main reason I don’t own one today. I’ve never shot nor seen a 2022 in person, but it looks very nice and it has me thinking…

Can anyone tell me what, besides the lower cost polymer frame, is driving that huge disparity in price?

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I have the 2022 also and have the same issue with the slide not locking back. My problem is due to having my thumb on the slide stop. It’s in a bad spot for me. Reliable and accurate otherwise though I think it’s a steal for that price.[/quote]

I thought I was being careful the slide stop, but I’m still new to the gun. It locked back a couple times but it was rare.

I’ll be more careful with it next time and see.

I’m still impressed with it, but the slide stop size and location would be another negative of the sigs then.

Another negative is lack of aftermarket support and armorers. I have small hands and the gun fits fun, but the double action pull is a little long and I have trouble getting my finger out there. Single action it’s fine.

A shortened connector for double action and reduced size slide stop would be some changes I’d make if the components were available.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I’ve never shot a polymer Sig, but I am a big fan of the aluminum frame P229 and P226. If I recall correctly, a new P226 with night sights goes for close to $900, which is the main reason I don’t own one today. I’ve never shot nor seen a 2022 in person, but it looks very nice and it has me thinking…

Can anyone tell me what, besides the lower cost polymer frame, is driving that huge disparity in price? [/quote]

The 2022 takes the same sights that fit the 226, the slide is very similar and the trigger is pretty much the same. I think the main reason they are going so cheap right now is because Sig has moved on to the P320 for their polymer gun. Buds was selling the 2022 with night sights a while back for 399.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I have the 2022 also and have the same issue with the slide not locking back. My problem is due to having my thumb on the slide stop. It’s in a bad spot for me. Reliable and accurate otherwise though I think it’s a steal for that price.[/quote]

I thought I was being careful the slide stop, but I’m still new to the gun. It locked back a couple times but it was rare.

I’ll be more careful with it next time and see.

I’m still impressed with it, but the slide stop size and location would be another negative of the sigs then.

Another negative is lack of aftermarket support and armorers. I have small hands and the gun fits fun, but the double action pull is a little long and I have trouble getting my finger out there. Single action it’s fine.

A shortened connector for double action and reduced size slide stop would be some changes I’d make if the components were available. [/quote]

Oh yeah I would love if they made a shorter slide stop. It’s a pretty common problem with it not locking back due to that, especially with a thumbs forward grip. It doesn’t take much pressure. They do make a shorter trigger sold at top gun supply, but it looks like it is shorter horizontally and doesn’t shorten the pull length.

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Anybody getting gun related goodies for Christmas? I know ive got some rounds for the AR coming and a couple little bolt-ons to make it more comfortable for me. Also getting a Glock 26 after Christmas from my father-in-law, pretty pumped on that as itll be my first handgun. Taking my CCW class Saturday, and borrowing his full size Glock 9mm to run the course.

Once i stop being lazy and make a online photo account ill throw up some shots of what i have so far.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I have the 2022 also and have the same issue with the slide not locking back. My problem is due to having my thumb on the slide stop. It’s in a bad spot for me. Reliable and accurate otherwise though I think it’s a steal for that price.[/quote]

I thought I was being careful the slide stop, but I’m still new to the gun. It locked back a couple times but it was rare.

I’ll be more careful with it next time and see.

I’m still impressed with it, but the slide stop size and location would be another negative of the sigs then.

Another negative is lack of aftermarket support and armorers. I have small hands and the gun fits fun, but the double action pull is a little long and I have trouble getting my finger out there. Single action it’s fine.

A shortened connector for double action and reduced size slide stop would be some changes I’d make if the components were available. [/quote]

Oh yeah I would love if they made a shorter slide stop. It’s a pretty common problem with it not locking back due to that, especially with a thumbs forward grip. It doesn’t take much pressure. They do make a shorter trigger sold at top gun supply, but it looks like it is shorter horizontally and doesn’t shorten the pull length.
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I looked at that trigger and took the gun apart to see if I could do it. More complicated than a Glock but doable. I don’t know if I’ll put one in or not.

I’ll probably end up getting rid of the gun eventually as shooting Glocks then guns that point high like M&Ps and the Sigs screws me up. I shot an IDPA classifier with a Glock right after a 2 day CCW course I ran with a shield and the one string was head shots, and I put them all right over the top of the target.

I hope Glock releases a single stack 9mm at SHOT so I can keep my things relatively consistent. I’ve contemplated getting rid of all them but I can’t get myself to do it.