Its not a coincidence that every time there’s a tragedy or national crisis the solution is to shrink our freedoms and liberties. That’s when big government strikes because that’s when the people are most willing to throw their freedom down the toilet in exchange for a little more “security.”
Bin Laden knocked down two buildings and killed some people, but, as bad as that was, the lasting evil he precipitated was the Patriot Act.
[quote]kamui wrote:
You propose to equip every teacher with automatic weapons and you’re worried about the cost of simple secure doors.
[/quote]
I did? When? Where?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.
[quote]kamui wrote:
You propose to equip every teacher with automatic weapons and you’re worried about the cost of simple secure doors.
makes perfect sense.
You already have video cameras an guards in each and every shop. Yet you think that placing a few video cameras and a guard at the entrance of your schools with suddenly transform them into prisons.
makes perfect sense.
And btw, since strawmen are free for all now : how many books a dead kid can read in a school year ?
[/quote]
If only they’d have secured the front gates and made visitors ring in for entry…
Oh…
Social De-Evolution, we are watching it in front of our very eyes.
The same way that many kids are so fat, they will probably die before their parents.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
Whatever you do inform the cops I took forensic psyche classes and criminal profiling classes and what you are dealing with is a genuine psychopath. In these cases the kids usually have a fascination with fire, killing animals and they used to wet the bed. Make sure someone checks his internet history. Keep informing the cops and do not stop until someone listens. Please do everything you can before he kills someone.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
Technically, he can’t be diagnosed as a socio/psycho-path until he’s 18, but that’s just a meaningless technicality as far as I’m concerned. People like that are the reason I think psychological evaluations should be required before the purchase of a firearm.
Unfortunately, nothing can ever fix a sociopath, you can only do harm reduction by basically training them. Or locking them up.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
Whatever you do inform the cops I took forensic psyche classes and criminal profiling classes and what you are dealing with is a genuine psychopath. In these cases the kids usually have a fascination with fire, killing animals and they used to wet the bed. Make sure someone checks his internet history. Keep informing the cops and do not stop until someone listens. Please do everything you can before he kills someone.[/quote]
That’s the thing, she’s tried. When I was with her one time, the kid started yelling and screaming. So I stood up and tried to lay down the law. At that point, he attacked me. Now he didn’t actually hurt me or anything, but he fought me with the ferocity of a honey badger. I got him on the ground and wrapped him up until the cops got there. Then he became as docile as a little lamb and told them that I attacked HIM!
Later that night when I got up to take a piss, he was lying in wait and threw a clock at my head from like five feet away. So I did what just about every other person reading this would do: I beat his fucking ass. All that did was get ME investigated by child protective services. I was found to be NOT at fault from that investigation, but it still scared the shit out me.
The SYSTEM is set up to protect these little fuckers and take away the effectiveness of parents.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
Whatever you do inform the cops I took forensic psyche classes and criminal profiling classes and what you are dealing with is a genuine psychopath. In these cases the kids usually have a fascination with fire, killing animals and they used to wet the bed. Make sure someone checks his internet history. Keep informing the cops and do not stop until someone listens. Please do everything you can before he kills someone.[/quote]
That’s the thing, she’s tried. When I was with her one time, the kid started yelling and screaming. So I stood up and tried to lay down the law. At that point, he attacked me. Now he didn’t actually hurt me or anything, but he fought me with the ferocity of a honey badger. I got him on the ground and wrapped him up until the cops got there. Then he became as docile as a little lamb and told them that I attacked HIM!
Later that night when I got up to take a piss, he was lying in wait and threw a clock at my head from like five feet away. So I did what just about every other person reading this would do: I beat his fucking ass. All that did was get ME investigated by child protective services. I was found to be NOT at fault from that investigation, but it still scared the shit out me.
The SYSTEM is set up to protect these little fuckers and take away the effectiveness of parents.[/quote]
In my encounter with a borderline to full sociopath that entered my life, the only choice I had was to move and make sure she didn’t and anyone she knew knew where I lived for a long time. I reckon you had to leave the girl because of him?
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
The more well-armed you are, the more well-armed your State will have to be.
[/quote]
why?[/quote]
because a State is, by nature and definition, a local (quasi-)monopoly on violence.
So a state has to be more well-armed than its citizenry. Or else it can’t enforce its rule and ensure its monopoly, and it’s not a State at all.
Give weapons to a group of citizens, you’ve got a militia.
Give more weapons to a larger group of citizens, and you will soon have a mafia.
Give them even more (and bigger) weapons, they will start to take yours, and you will start to call them “government”.
“Government” is simply the name given to the more well-armed group in an area.
[/quote]
“Government of the people, by the people, for the people”?
I figured that’s where you were going, but I don’t think it’s really applicable to the topic of people buying more handguns and rifles in America - in any quantity
If you were talking rockets or tanks/fighter jets or something, it would make more sense. That’s how I see it
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
Whatever you do inform the cops I took forensic psyche classes and criminal profiling classes and what you are dealing with is a genuine psychopath. In these cases the kids usually have a fascination with fire, killing animals and they used to wet the bed. Make sure someone checks his internet history. Keep informing the cops and do not stop until someone listens. Please do everything you can before he kills someone.[/quote]
That’s the thing, she’s tried. When I was with her one time, the kid started yelling and screaming. So I stood up and tried to lay down the law. At that point, he attacked me. Now he didn’t actually hurt me or anything, but he fought me with the ferocity of a honey badger. I got him on the ground and wrapped him up until the cops got there. Then he became as docile as a little lamb and told them that I attacked HIM!
Later that night when I got up to take a piss, he was lying in wait and threw a clock at my head from like five feet away. So I did what just about every other person reading this would do: I beat his fucking ass. All that did was get ME investigated by child protective services. I was found to be NOT at fault from that investigation, but it still scared the shit out me.
The SYSTEM is set up to protect these little fuckers and take away the effectiveness of parents.[/quote]
In my encounter with a borderline to full sociopath that entered my life, the only choice I had was to move and make sure she didn’t and anyone she knew knew where I lived for a long time. I reckon you had to leave the girl because of him?[/quote]
It wasn’t something I was willing to deal with.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
Whatever you do inform the cops I took forensic psyche classes and criminal profiling classes and what you are dealing with is a genuine psychopath. In these cases the kids usually have a fascination with fire, killing animals and they used to wet the bed. Make sure someone checks his internet history. Keep informing the cops and do not stop until someone listens. Please do everything you can before he kills someone.[/quote]
That’s the thing, she’s tried. When I was with her one time, the kid started yelling and screaming. So I stood up and tried to lay down the law. At that point, he attacked me. Now he didn’t actually hurt me or anything, but he fought me with the ferocity of a honey badger. I got him on the ground and wrapped him up until the cops got there. Then he became as docile as a little lamb and told them that I attacked HIM!
Later that night when I got up to take a piss, he was lying in wait and threw a clock at my head from like five feet away. So I did what just about every other person reading this would do: I beat his fucking ass. All that did was get ME investigated by child protective services. I was found to be NOT at fault from that investigation, but it still scared the shit out me.
The SYSTEM is set up to protect these little fuckers and take away the effectiveness of parents.[/quote]
In my encounter with a borderline to full sociopath that entered my life, the only choice I had was to move and make sure she didn’t and anyone she knew knew where I lived for a long time. I reckon you had to leave the girl because of him?[/quote]
It wasn’t something I was willing to deal with.[/quote]
Totally understandable. I certainly don’t think you did anything wrong, but I feel bad for the mother of that kid. It sounds like she really tried, but to no avail.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Its not a coincidence that every time there’s a tragedy or national crisis the solution is to shrink our freedoms and liberties. That’s when big government strikes because that’s when the people are most willing to throw their freedom down the toilet in exchange for a little more “security.” … [/quote]
Absolutely.
Look at DB Cooper’s comments on the Connecticut shooting thread. He openly admits he’s all for taking his guns away since he thinks it’ll “help.”[/quote]
I’ve already said I would be right there with him if I honestly thought that was the solution. I would turn in my guns and be the loudest supporter ever of getting everyone else to turn in their guns.
The thing is I don’t think this lunatic was stopping if guns were illegal. Someone with this much rage isn’t going to say “meh, guns are illegal, guess I’ll go hug mom instead.”
Again, do people honestly believe that war, murder, rape, etc didn’t happen before gunpowder was invented?
The only way I can figure out logically that you can be for taking away guns is if you think guns caused the violence. As in without guns this wouldn’t have happened. You already listed off a ton of other weapons that can be used. Society’s best line of defense against these psychopaths? Guns.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We can debate gun control till we are out of breath, but something else is going on that is simply not a function of the availability of guns. This psycho - and others like him - acted out some massive death fantasy that seems to be occurring with more frequency.
I don’t pretend to psychoanalyze these maniacs, but for some reason, the desire to just go kill someone who wronged you isn’t in vogue - there must be a stage, a huge body count of people unrelated to a narrow personal grudge, and often a blaze of glory.
Guns have nothing to do with this impulse or its troubling increasing frequency. True, more advanced weapons can enable the killer to raise the body count faster, but such an argument is irrelevant to yesterday’s massacre based on the facts we have and the kinds of weapons he used.
I don’t know if we can “cure” these impulses, but we would wise to focus on them. What drives them? Ordinary murderous impulses (which are awful, but let’s face it, “normal” in the human condition) jacked up and enhanced by the need for attention in a world more driven by instantaneous attention than it ever has been? Increasing social atomization? Creeping nihilism?
I don’t have the right answers, and I don’t pretend to, but our time is better spent asking these questions rather than about gun control. The impulse to do this is the true instrument of death here, not a firearm.[/quote]
Interesting topic. I dated a woman on and off for many years who has a son who, in my opinion, has the capacity to do something like this. He’s a twisted little fucker. His parents are divorced (which is why I was dating her in the first place) and in fact his father moved to an other country to “start over” to get away from the kid’s “issues”.
I think he’s just a psychopath. Having been to prison, I had the opportunity to meet more than a few people who were genuinely psychotic. He’s narcissistic, manipulative, selfish, no empathy, violent when provoked, anti-social, disrespectful, delusional, ungrateful and generally a pain in the ass. When he was younger, he used to kill his pets and other animals.
He’s been seeing a shrink on one form or another since he was about ten. He’s been convicted of minor crimes and violated his probation and did a short time in juvenile detention. He’s had ex girl friends file restraining orders against him and even had to transfer schools because of one incident.
Here’s the thing: he’s never been diagnosed with anything. He’s been in some special ed program in one school or another for years now. His mother thought it was Asperger’s Syndrome for a while and tried to have doctors confirm that, but he is so “borderline” he doesn’t meet all of the criteria. He was taking one medication after an other for a while, then his father changed health insurance, so his treatment stopped (that was about age 14 and all the major problems started shortly thereafter). He’s been evaluated by three or four different institutions in the DC metro area and NONE of them want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
And that’s the problem. His poor mother has done EVERYTHING in her power to get him help, but to no avail. The school system failed him, the hospitals failed him, the court system has failed him, his various shrinks have failed him and frankly, the police have failed him the most. I say this because the police are at her house at least twice a month in the past three years or so. They refuse to charge him with anything. He has hit his mother, punched holes in the walls, threatened to do everything from burn the house down to killing everyone he knows. He has threatened his mother with an aerosol spray can turned into a flame thrower and has made experiments with various “home made” explosives. She’s TOLD the police all of this.
Another thing: he’s OBSESSED with the end of the world scenarios like 2012. Not because he is afraid of the end of the world, but because he welcomes the anarchy. He has openly stated that he will be able to “rape and kill as many people as I want” when it happens. He is a true psychopath.
HE TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH AND WILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM.[/quote]
we put down dogs for biting people…
The McLaughlin Group was depressing today. Only Patty-Patty-Buke-Buke questioned the need to respond to the tragedy with strong gun-control measures, and even he was pretty subdued in his response/opposition.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
I’ve already said I would be right there with him if I honestly thought that was the solution. I would turn in my guns and be the loudest supporter ever of getting everyone else to turn in their guns.
[/quote]
Faulty thinking. EVEN if it worked you’d be sacrificing freedom for one kind of safety and opening avenues to decrease another kind of safety.
Think about what I said. Can you figure out what I mean?[/quote]
We’re saying the same thing just in perhaps different manners. My point was if I honestly thought getting rid of guns would stop all these tragedies that gun control proponents THINK would happen I’d be all for it. You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech? I would in a HEARTBEAT. The thing is these people aren’t going to be stopped simply because guns are illegal. This idea that we make guns illegal and all this shit stops is just not grounded in anything remotely rational.
If I honestly thought getting rid of guns in America would keep psychos from being psychos I would immediately. The thing is the people who do these kind of things don’t have a care in the world for the law. People honestly think guns being illegal keeps these monsters from doing what they do? Dahmer killed 17 people…not one gun used. I’ll say it again, how do these people think war and murder happened before gunpowder?
People who are hellbent on doing these kinds of things will ALWAYS find a way. You mentioned countless other “weapons” earlier. In my computer room here I can probably come up with 50 different things I could use to end someone’s life. Hell I have dumbells and kettlebells in here…I could end anyone with one of those.
I know what I think is the best possible tool I have for protecting my family from these type of people. It just happens to be the thing that everyone else thinks needs so much “control.”
Bad people will always find a way. They did before gunpowder. They would if we took guns away. And it’s quite telling that these people never talk about taking away guns from cops.
Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy study refuting more guns / more murders
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf