[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Funny how the Clackamas shooting got very little attention, perhaps because a citizen who had a gun helped thwart the further violence, and made the shooter turn his gun on himself. [/quote]
That is not what happened. It got little attention because of the fewer deaths and the school shooting was 2 days later.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Also, the late Mrs. Lanza apparently wasn’t exactly who the press made her out to be:
http://financial-advisors.findthebest.com/l/381613/Nancy-Lanza
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What do you mean, J?
I thought they did say she was a broker?
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Yeah, but they didn’t tell you she was a broker that was managing over 300 billion dollars worth of assets at Morgan Stanley.
They made her out to be a gun-nut prepper, but she was no dummy. People don’t put you in charge of that much money if you’re an idiot or crazy. There are also no records, that I’ve found, that she ever worked at Sandy Hook school.
What broker, in charge of hundreds of billions of dollars, has time to volunteer at an elementary school anyway?[/quote]
Not that it changes your point much but I don’t think SHE was managing 300 billion in assets. I think that is how much Morgan Stanley as a whole has under management.
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Also, the late Mrs. Lanza apparently wasn’t exactly who the press made her out to be:
http://financial-advisors.findthebest.com/l/381613/Nancy-Lanza
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What do you mean, J?
I thought they did say she was a broker?
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Yeah, but they didn’t tell you she was a broker that was managing over 300 billion dollars worth of assets at Morgan Stanley.
They made her out to be a gun-nut prepper, but she was no dummy. People don’t put you in charge of that much money if you’re an idiot or crazy. There are also no records, that I’ve found, that she ever worked at Sandy Hook school.
What broker, in charge of hundreds of billions of dollars, has time to volunteer at an elementary school anyway?[/quote]
Not that it changes your point much but I don’t think SHE was managing 300 billion in assets. I think that is how much Morgan Stanley as a whole has under management.
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Correct, I don’t know what that number means but wikipedia says ~700 billion of assets so that would mean Lanza manages half of that entire company’s money, which is obviously not true for any person in that business.
Ah, yes. I didn’t see that. Those are the numbers for the firm, as confirmed by their own website. My mistake.
Looking a bit farther back, I don’t think the Morgan Stanley connection is all that important. She was employed by Citigroup Global from '97-'09, and Citigroup Global is right smack in the middle of…
you guessed it! The LIBOR scandal!!! Check the dates of the market manipulations.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/19/citigroup-biggest-libor-liar/
So it seems that she may have been a bigger player than either Holmes or her ex-husband.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Funny how the Clackamas shooting got very little attention, perhaps because a citizen who had a gun helped thwart the further violence, and made the shooter turn his gun on himself. [/quote]
That is not what happened. It got little attention because of the fewer deaths and the school shooting was 2 days later.[/quote]
But why were they fewer deaths ? If this were further investigated, people would might see how those “gun totin’ rednecks” might be right.
That is false, we had a shooting here at a mall with no deaths and it got coverage.
'President Obama on Sunday said he would make gun control a priority in his new term, pledging to put his “full weight” behind passing new restrictions on firearms in 2013.
“I’m going to be putting forward a package and I’m going to be putting my full weight behind it,” Obama said in an interview aired on NBC?s “Meet the Press.”
…he has also called on Congress to move quickly to reinstate the federal assault weapons ban and a ban on the sale of high-capacity magazines.’ - The Hill
Oh, yeah. Prolly ought to mention why I seem to have gone off on a tangent with the LIBOR thing for those who didn’t catch my first few posts;
I made mention of Peter Lanza and Robert Holmes, fathers of the Newtown, CT and Aurora, CO shooters, being connected because they were both subpoenaed in the LIBOR-fixing bank scandal. I got the crazy eye from Mr. Spock, so I decided to do some digging.
I still cannot 100% substantiate the claim that either were subpoenaed (because the list of individual subpoenas is not public), but I can link them both to the scandal. Not only them, but the late Mrs. Lanza as well.
Thank you for all the information, Jay.
I personally don’t have a problem looking at things “appearing to be conspiracy” or “unreliable news sources”.
I always rely on my own discernment.
SexMachine also, you are a knowledge posting machine - very sharp!
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Thank you for all the information, Jay.
I personally don’t have a problem looking at things “appearing to be conspiracy” or “unreliable news sources”.
I always rely on my own discernment. [/quote]
You’re welcome.
Hate to look like a conspiracy nut, but these “coincidences” are getting out of hand.
Independent Critical Thinking is a must. Without it we’re just a dog wearing a shock collar who keeps getting suckered into going out past the invisible fence and can’t figure out that Master is a dick.
Aaaand that was a terrible analogy, but it’s all I got. You know what I mean.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Thank you for all the information, Jay.
I personally don’t have a problem looking at things “appearing to be conspiracy” or “unreliable news sources”.
I always rely on my own discernment. [/quote]
You’re welcome.
Hate to look like a conspiracy nut, but these “coincidences” are getting out of hand. [/quote]
So are you trying to say we probably didn’t kill Bin Laden and bury him at sea too?? cmon that’s believable!!
I have no clue about Bin Laden. Other than whenever I stop to think about his name, I picture somebody named Osama who’s ‘laden’ with so many ‘bins’ that he can’t see where he’s going.
And then I feel dumb in a GWBush kinda way. Matter of fact, I hear that little snicker he utters when he thinks he’s said something clever.
And that makes me sad.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Hate to look like a conspiracy nut, but these “coincidences” are getting out of hand.
Independent Critical Thinking is a must. Without it we’re just a dog wearing a shock collar who keeps getting suckered into going out past the invisible fence and can’t figure out that Master is a dick.
Aaaand that was a terrible analogy, but it’s all I got. You know what I mean.[/quote]
Yes.
For me the key about approaching the “coincidences” or anything that arises suspicion is not to get sucked into the paranoia.
Between the emotionality of one group and the paranoia of the other I am keeping my feet on the ground and my mind clear and still.
If you shoot well, then perhaps that would be the same stance to have when handling firearms.
But correct me if I am wrong about shooting:
I just got my first firearm today and getting a second in a week, but have not been able to shoot yet.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I have no clue about Bin Laden. Other than whenever I stop to think about his name, I picture somebody named Osama who’s ‘laden’ with so many ‘bins’ that he can’t see where he’s going.
And then I feel dumb in a GWBush kinda way. Matter of fact, I hear that little snicker he utters when he thinks he’s said something clever.
And that makes me sad.[/quote]
Can you jump in the cockpit of a fighter jet like he did and take off and land? Just saying.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm
Some of us fall victim to the liberal press and it’s ideas of what is “good”, “right for the country” and “smart.” George W. Bush was smart enough. He married a librarian not a lawyer and he has been disciplined enough not to give opinions on what the current president is doing. You can’t say that for the Democratic peanut farmer Jimmy Carter or Gennifer Flowers old F buddy Bill Clinton.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I have no clue about Bin Laden. Other than whenever I stop to think about his name, I picture somebody named Osama who’s ‘laden’ with so many ‘bins’ that he can’t see where he’s going.
And then I feel dumb in a GWBush kinda way. Matter of fact, I hear that little snicker he utters when he thinks he’s said something clever.
And that makes me sad.[/quote]
Can you jump in the cockpit of a fighter jet like he did and take off and land? Just saying.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm
Some of us fall victim to the liberal press and it’s ideas of what is “good”, “right for the country” and “smart.” George W. Bush was smart enough. He married a librarian not a lawyer and he has been disciplined enough not to give opinions on what the current president is doing. You can’t say that for the Democratic peanut farmer Jimmy Carter or Gennifer Flowers old F buddy Bill Clinton.
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The reason Bush has kept his trap shut is because he’s even lost the respect of his own party. Just look at his approval ratings at the end of his 2nd term.
The first thing I will suggest is that you need a RIFLE and a PISTOL. Save the shotgun for later, if you have extra funds.
Get your hands on “A Book of Two Guns” by renowned firearms tactics instructor Tiger McKee. He focuses on the 1911 and AR-15 platforms, but the info presented in his book is great for any firearms you choose.
The method he teaches is very similar to karate’s kata. Muscle memory is the key to proper function when your adrenaline is surging.
Yes, keeping a cool head is key when dealing with ‘coincidences’. In the end, it doesn’t matter if you believe that it’s a conspiracy or not. The real questions are “what are you gonna do?” and “when are you gonna do it?”
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
but these “coincidences” are getting out of hand.
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Well, it does not look like she is not going to testify after all:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The first thing I will suggest is that you need a RIFLE and a PISTOL.
Save the shotgun for later, [/quote]
It is too late for that, 
I got the Mossberg Chainsaw of all things…I know. I know.
I gave my husband for Xmas a Remington 700, so I do have a rifle available.
I have my eyes set on an Heckler & Koch P30 with the safety. ( I don’t want the safety on the trigger )
The reason I am getting the pistol now though it is expensive is because of Obama coming in dictating “change” for gun control.
I will get the book, thanks.
Want to educate myself as much as possible.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
He focuses on the 1911 [/quote]
That is to me one of the most beautiful guns, by the way.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I have no clue about Bin Laden. Other than whenever I stop to think about his name, I picture somebody named Osama who’s ‘laden’ with so many ‘bins’ that he can’t see where he’s going.
And then I feel dumb in a GWBush kinda way. Matter of fact, I hear that little snicker he utters when he thinks he’s said something clever.
And that makes me sad.[/quote]
Can you jump in the cockpit of a fighter jet like he did and take off and land? Just saying.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm
Some of us fall victim to the liberal press and it’s ideas of what is “good”, “right for the country” and “smart.” George W. Bush was smart enough. He married a librarian not a lawyer and he has been disciplined enough not to give opinions on what the current president is doing. You can’t say that for the Democratic peanut farmer Jimmy Carter or Gennifer Flowers old F buddy Bill Clinton.
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Now, now. Let’s not get defensive. I was referring more to his inane sense of humor.
I do not ‘fall victim’ to the liberal press. On the other hand, I also do not fall victim to the conservative press. G.W. took his own steps to destroy personal liberty in this country, Obama just took it further… and he’s not done yet. They are both to blame, among others.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The first thing I will suggest is that you need a RIFLE and a PISTOL.
Save the shotgun for later, [/quote]
It is too late for that,
I got the Mossberg Chainsaw of all things…I know. I know.[/quote]
Pfffffffff.
OK. I forgive you.
One of the things that McKee says about the safeties on both of his weapons of choice is that they are good indicators of a gun malfunction BEFORE you pull the trigger. On both the AR and 1911, the safety will not engage unless the weapon is in battery (locked and cocked). Safety is engaged as the weapon is lowered into the low ready position. If the safety won’t engage, something is wrong.
Good to know before engaging the next target.
Pistols are good for quick engagement with one hand at close range while making some space between you and your attacker and/or getting your ass back to your rifle. 80% of people shot with a handgun survive, 80% of those shot with a rifle die. Dead men don’t seek revenge or come back to finish the evil deed they started.