[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because he didn’t know who Obama was.[/quote]
I did not mention Obama by name. I said a future administration that would disarm the People as the endgame.[/quote]
No. You said that “this isn’t about crime prevention,” and when I asked you what you thought it was about, you produced the quote. Which, again, carried the implication that the motivation of the people proposing this legislation has to do with a Communist takeover of the United States.[/quote]
I think it’s about a complete power grab to be honest. Powergrab + grandstanding to feel good emotional voters. The committee that looked over the 90s assault weapon ban came to the conclusion it did absolutely nothing and as a result they let it sunset…but ONLY when the senators et. al. realized the POLITICAL backlash it would cause and maybe kick some of them out of their cushy stations.
The logic you posted earlier was and is typical of many people with liberal mindset yes sure. But I think that career politicians all realize that this isn’t going to fix anything, it’s posturing to improve constituency enthusiasm combined with a conveniently available power grab. Why? because the opportunity is there. They don’t need another reason. It’s not even about closet communism or anything–this is just what greedy ass arrogant people try to pull when they think they can get away with it. It’s human nature, which as many have reminded us in the past couple threads was exactly what the Founders were talking about when they mention all these things both directly and indirectly related to guns. They had no idea what communism would do to the 20th century. Hell, it wasn’t even to be discussed for what, another 70 years? (1850 ish, i think?)
They did, however, have a good handle on what power does to people of all persuasions and they combined that with their perceptions of human nature. This isn’t a conspiracy, this is just greedy fucking politicians being greedy politicians and trying to get more control because they want it. I really doubt Obama has any belief this will help at all. I think that if he actually DID hold the belief it would help, he wouldn’t have had to trot little kids onto the public stage to get his message across as a way to attempt to bolster his grandstand.[/quote]
You know I respect your opinion, Aragorn. And you make some good points.
Still, I’m inclined to believe that Obama does honestly think that this will help. But even if he doesn’t, politicians fall into ideological ruts that are so knee-jerk, so visceral as to render “whether or not it will help” nearly inconsequential: he’s a liberal, liberals want gun control, the national climate has suddenly become more amenable to certain gun control measures than before, therefore: gun control. Whether it will help or not, it’s the appropriate response as determined by his ideology.
I would not be surprised to learn that many liberals care strongly about guns as a sort of mechanism to match the passion with which conservatives come to the arena. Gun culture becomes synonymous with redneck-ism, which is anathema to the typical liberal. The same happens on the other side of the isle, if not on this issue, then with others.[/quote]
And I respect your writings as well, no worries there mate.
I find it hard to believe people intelligent enough to win a courtroom debate are such one step thinkers that they don’t recognize the absolute absurdity of some things. Oh yes, they’re all morons in many ways, and certainly all corrupt. But the bottom line is that I really just have a hard time thinking that they’re stupid enough to not understand the hard data. I mean, you can be ignorant but still intelligent, and that intelligence allows you to see things that you can either choose to accept or ignore.
I find it infinitely more likely that they IGNORE the data because it doesn’t serve their goals for further Senate terms or some such. Surely at least most of the data and statistics have been bandied in the Congressional hearings and debates over and over for over 20 years now during various debates. The bottom line is if you vote for something logical but it goes against your constiutency, you might lose your cushy job. The other thing is that i view this process as a sort of reverse Stockholm Syndrome…I am simply running out of articulative power so I know this is a quite poor way to do it but for lack of a better word: certain people are elected to serve their electorate. They then accustom themselves to the power in DC. They then realize that they can NEVER LET IT GO by manipulating their constituency’s opinions while also pandering to them.
I would agree that Obama is acting as is dictated appropriate by his ideology. That I have never really doubted.
RE: the “gun culture becomes synonymous with redneck-ism” and that being anathema…well that might be so. But I would expect that a self styled intelligent–and “TOLERANT, OPEN MINDED”–Liberal would take the time to look deeper than appearances and media. That is supposed to be what the liberal mindset is meant to stand for (according to themselves).
They need to realize, and I just had this conversation with a beat officer last night, that the “gun culture” has absolutely nothing to do with redneck-ism–the people who they rely on to protect themselves, officers, swat, narc officers, undercover, all those guys…they’re the gun culture! They’re part of it (of course not all of them, the McChrystal interview makes that quite clear, but many many of them are). They practice on their own, they own guns at home, they teach their kids and wife to shoot for the exact same reasons. The gun culture is everyday people. To quote Larry Correia again in response to the “boo evil gun culture” : [quote]I hate to break it to you, but when nearly six hundred people get murdered a year in beautiful Gun Free Chicago, thatâ??s not my people doing the shooting…Sure, there are plenty of soldiers and cops who are issued a gun and who use it as part of their job who could care less. However, the people who build the guns, really understand the guns, actually enjoy using the guns, and usually end up being picked to teach everybody else how to use the guns are the gun culture.[/quote]
And guess what? Those people, the people who teach people how to shoot are almost all law enforcement or military, or ex LEO/military. I realize you already get that, but the entire point is that while deep south or deep Idaho secessionist conspiracy prepper doomsday people might be some of the noisiest, they’re also the very very least.
