American population is sheep. If anyone thinks these gun control measures will stop it from happening again are delusional.
So… what will be done when it happens again?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
American population is sheep. If anyone thinks these gun control measures will stop it from happening again are delusional.
So… what will be done when it happens again?[/quote]
The agenda will march forward once again.
Anyone who thinks this is about crime prevention is delusional, as well.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
American population is sheep. If anyone thinks these gun control measures will stop it from happening again are delusional.
So… what will be done when it happens again?[/quote]
The agenda will march forward once again.
Anyone who thinks this is about crime prevention is delusional, as well.[/quote]
I do.
What are you saying, that it’s about Washington fearing a revolution?
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
American population is sheep. If anyone thinks these gun control measures will stop it from happening again are delusional.
So… what will be done when it happens again?[/quote]
The agenda will march forward once again.
Anyone who thinks this is about crime prevention is delusional, as well.[/quote]
I do.[/quote]
The facts clearly show that more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens leads to less crime, yet they are adamant about taking them away from us.
Utah and Indiana have allowed properly trained and licensed teachers and administrators to carry guns on school grounds for years, and there has only been one shooting at a school in either of those states (a public suicide), yet they are dead-set on taking them away.
How in the world is it possible for a rationally-thinking human being to believe that the real issue here is crime prevention?
No.
“We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”
~J Edgar Hoover~ Director of the FBI from its founding in 1935 until 1972.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
American population is sheep. If anyone thinks these gun control measures will stop it from happening again are delusional.
So… what will be done when it happens again?[/quote]
The agenda will march forward once again.
Anyone who thinks this is about crime prevention is delusional, as well.[/quote]
I do.
What are you saying, that it’s about Washington fearing a revolution?[/quote]
I think I know what you are saying and agree. The end result may be a tyrannical government but that is not the intention from any side on the route to getting there. If that is not their intention then they have no reason to fear revolution.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
If that is not their intention then they have no reason to fear revolution.[/quote]
What is that mantra they blast at us when we oppose constant surveillance?
Oh, yeah…
“If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!”
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
American population is sheep. If anyone thinks these gun control measures will stop it from happening again are delusional.
So… what will be done when it happens again?[/quote]
The agenda will march forward once again.
Anyone who thinks this is about crime prevention is delusional, as well.[/quote]
I do.[/quote]
The facts clearly show that more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens leads to less crime, yet they are adamant about taking them away from us.
Utah and Indiana have allowed properly trained and licensed teachers and administrators to carry guns on school grounds for years, and there has only been one shooting at a school in either of those states (a public suicide), yet they are dead-set on taking them away.
How in the world is it possible for a rationally-thinking human being to believe that the real issue here is crime prevention?
[/quote]
Because whether you find it convincing or not, and whether you think the data stands for or against it, the logic underpinning this push for gun control is extraordinarily easy to understand: an “assault weapon” was used to kill an unthinkable number of children, so let’s ban “assault weapons.”
Liberals think this is a logical and rational progression. Barack Obama is a liberal. Case closed.
[quote]
No.
“We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”
~J Edgar Hoover~ Director of the FBI from its founding in 1935 until 1972.[/quote]
I take it that you’re trying to imply (via quotation, which if you ask me is something of a cop-out) that this is a calculated step in a premeditated Communist takeover of America?
Tell me, what happened to the takeover that Hoover was alarming the country about? Whatever happened to the “Conspiracy so monstrous” as to be beyond the comprehension of the ordinary man?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
If that is not their intention then they have no reason to fear revolution.[/quote]
What is that mantra they blast at us when we oppose constant surveillance?
Oh, yeah…
“If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!”[/quote]
Well what is the reason for the surveillance in the first place, at least according to them?
But on that subject, since you brought it up:
Athens, TN. August 2, 1946.
A group of armed WWII veterans successfully overthrew a violent, corrupt mini-dictatorship when the Tennessee and Federal governments refused to defend the people.
So don’t tell me it can’t happen here, or that “the system” is set up to prevent it, or that it is wrong for armed citizens to stand up to corruption.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because whether you find it convincing or not, and whether you think the data stands for or against it, the logic underpinning this push for gun control is extraordinarily easy to understand: an “assault weapon” was used to kill an unthinkable number of children, so let’s ban “assault weapons.”
Liberals think this is a logical and rational progression. Barack Obama is a liberal. Case closed.[/quote]
That’s because you can only think one step at a time.
[quote][quote]“We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”
~J Edgar Hoover~ Director of the FBI from its founding in 1935 until 1972.[/quote]
I take it that you’re trying to imply (via quotation, which if you ask me is something of a cop-out) [/quote]
Why is it a cop-out to quote a man who was the head of the FBI for thirty seven years, and knew more about organized crime than any of us could ever dream of? Do you view it as unfair that I can quote credible sources, and all you have is your faulty one-step logic?
What kind of time-frame do you think he was talking about?
If you were a tyrant:
How long do you think it would take to enslave a free, armed people while closing the net slowly enough not to alarm them into an armed revolt? What steps would you take? What is the single biggest obstacle preventing you from just marching out and putting chains on them?
Why can China enslave their own countrymen and force them to work in factories with safety nets around them to prevent suicide? Why can they walk up to a house and throw the occupants out into the cold to die? Why can they steal the internal organs of their own people to sell on the black market?
You do realize this stuff happens, right? I mean, do you fully understand that there are people in this world who are so evil that they go to sleep dreaming of enslaving people like you and me?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because whether you find it convincing or not, and whether you think the data stands for or against it, the logic underpinning this push for gun control is extraordinarily easy to understand: an “assault weapon” was used to kill an unthinkable number of children, so let’s ban “assault weapons.”
Liberals think this is a logical and rational progression. Barack Obama is a liberal. Case closed.[/quote]
That’s because you can only think one step at a time.
[quote][quote]“We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”
~J Edgar Hoover~ Director of the FBI from its founding in 1935 until 1972.[/quote]
I take it that you’re trying to imply (via quotation, which if you ask me is something of a cop-out) [/quote]
Why is it a cop-out to quote a man who was the head of the FBI for thirty seven years, and knew more about organized crime than any of us could ever dream of? Do you view it as unfair that I can quote credible sources, and all you have is your faulty one-step logic?
[/quote]
Because, since Hoover was very obviously not talking about Barack Obama and the legislation he proposed yesterday, it would be far more direct–more honest, less “I’ll just throw a vaguely-related quote out there instead of having to come out and say this”–for you to simply say: 'I think Obama is engineering a Communist takeover of the United States. I think this is a step in that plan."
What time frame was he talking about? I don’t know, it doesn’t really matter because that was a bunch of alarmist nonsense at the time and is certainly so now that even China and Russia are moving away from Communism at a healthy clip.
“Do you understand that there are people people in this world who are so evil that they go to sleep dreaming of enslaving people like you and me?”
This is more dancing around the issue: the implication of your quoting Hoover was that our current elected officials, rather than some nameless bad guys half the world away, are these people who are dreaming of our enslavement. Is that what you’re still saying?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because whether you find it convincing or not, and whether you think the data stands for or against it, the logic underpinning this push for gun control is extraordinarily easy to understand: an “assault weapon” was used to kill an unthinkable number of children, so let’s ban “assault weapons.”
Liberals think this is a logical and rational progression. Barack Obama is a liberal. Case closed.[/quote]
That’s because you can only think one step at a time.
[/quote]
First of all, I never said I agree with this logic. In fact that only statement I’ve made regarding Obama’s proposals was that they will do little to help anybody.
Secondly, I’ll take that insult with a grain of salt, given that, as I recall, you were the guy posting pictures off fringe nutjob websites in order to try and imply that Sandy Hook was a big hoax staged by the White House in order to galvanize support for gun control. A suggestion as baseless and disgusting as that can’t have have its origin in a particularly complex mind.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because, since Hoover was very obviously not talking about Barack Obama and the legislation he proposed yesterday[/quote]
It is not obvious. Explain it to me. Should be very easy to explain, because it is so obvious, right?
So tell me how you KNOW that he was not talking about a future administration disarming the People as the end-game of the conspiracy.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because whether you find it convincing or not, and whether you think the data stands for or against it, the logic underpinning this push for gun control is extraordinarily easy to understand: an “assault weapon” was used to kill an unthinkable number of children, so let’s ban “assault weapons.”
Liberals think this is a logical and rational progression. Barack Obama is a liberal. Case closed.[/quote]
That’s because you can only think one step at a time.
[/quote]
First of all, I never said I agree with this logic. In fact that only statement I’ve made regarding Obama’s proposals was that they will do little to help anybody.
Secondly, I’ll take that insult with a grain of salt, given that, as I recall, you were the guy posting pictures off fringe nutjob websites in order to try and imply that Sandy Hook was a big hoax staged by the White House in order to galvanize support for gun control. A suggestion as baseless and disgusting as that can’t have have its origin in a particularly complex mind.[/quote]
Actually, if you’ll go back and look again, I specifically pulled those pictures off of official news and White House press sites.
Just to be sure that someone wasn’t just pulling a 'shop trick.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because, since Hoover was very obviously not talking about Barack Obama and the legislation he proposed yesterday[/quote]
It is not obvious. Explain it to me. Should be very easy to explain, because it is so obvious, right?
[/quote]
Because he didn’t know who Obama was.
Again, you’re hiding behind a quote. That quote may or may not be apropos, but it certainly isn’t as direct as simply saying what you’re dancing around, trying to avoid saying: this is a Communist takeover of the United States. Right? Is that what you think? Or no?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because whether you find it convincing or not, and whether you think the data stands for or against it, the logic underpinning this push for gun control is extraordinarily easy to understand: an “assault weapon” was used to kill an unthinkable number of children, so let’s ban “assault weapons.”
Liberals think this is a logical and rational progression. Barack Obama is a liberal. Case closed.[/quote]
That’s because you can only think one step at a time.
[/quote]
First of all, I never said I agree with this logic. In fact that only statement I’ve made regarding Obama’s proposals was that they will do little to help anybody.
Secondly, I’ll take that insult with a grain of salt, given that, as I recall, you were the guy posting pictures off fringe nutjob websites in order to try and imply that Sandy Hook was a big hoax staged by the White House in order to galvanize support for gun control. A suggestion as baseless and disgusting as that can’t have have its origin in a particularly complex mind.[/quote]
Actually, if you’ll go back and look again, I specifically pulled those pictures off of official news and White House press sites.
Just to be sure that someone wasn’t just pulling a 'shop trick.[/quote]
And you got the idea from a fringe nutjob website or commentator. And you were still making that baseless, tasteless suggestion.
So again, an insult from someone who entertains that kind of thought means little to me.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because he didn’t know who Obama was.[/quote]
I did not mention Obama by name. I said a future administration that would disarm the People as the endgame.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
And you got the idea from a fringe nutjob website or commentator. And you were still making that baseless, tasteless suggestion.
So again, an insult from someone who entertains that kind of thought means little to me.[/quote]
It is not baseless. There is pictorial evidence. There is procedural evidence. There is audio evidence.
Besides that, tell me exactly where I got the idea from, since you can baselessly claim that I got it from a fringe nutjob.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Because he didn’t know who Obama was.[/quote]
I did not mention Obama by name. I said a future administration that would disarm the People as the endgame.[/quote]
No. You said that “this isn’t about crime prevention,” and when I asked you what you thought it was about, you produced the quote. Which, again, carried the implication that the motivation of the people proposing this legislation has to do with a Communist takeover of the United States.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Sort of on topic:
Here is the ad in question (auto play video)
Now here is Carney’s responce:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/01/wh-nra-ad-repugnant-cowardly-154358.html
I find it funny that Bam’s kids are off limits politicaly while Bam can stand on the graves (hat tip Shapiro) of the Sandy Hook kids, and have other kids stand next to him while he rules as a king today…
Almost past the point of anger and into full on laughing at the people that supported this loser. [/quote]
I know.
Obama Uses kids to appeal to emotion
NRA Uses his kids to appeal to logic
Obama “HOW DARE YOU!??!?!?!”[/quote]
All you need to know is “I have come to bury Caesar, not to praise him…”
Everything you need to know Shakespeare taught you centuries ago.