I started a 20-week cycle (first cycle), I know it’s too much but for the level I reached naturally I don’t think less weeks would’ve been enough. (been hard training for more than 10 years, age now is 30 In November)
So, I have done my research about everything and started my cycle.
Week 1 and 2: 250 sustanon
Week 3 and 4: 500 sustanon and added 250 EQ, 0.5 adex
Week 5 and 6: same and did a lab work everything was fine and within normal range except test was high which is normal (e2 single digit, so I stopped the adex)
Week 5 – 9: same
Week 10: switched from sustanon to enanthate, added Deca (nandrolone) and increased the doses of the test to 600 and bold to 500 deca at 400.
week 11 to 14: same
week 15: did a laboratory test and e2 was high so I took an AI, in the same week I my libido was low and had ED, I used 2500 ui hCG and next 2 days everything went back to normal.
week 16: same
week 17: doses 750 test/500deca/600 EQ
week 18: started getting water retention, I did a blood work and prolactin was on the higher side of the normal range, so I took carber
week 19: everything was screwed up I don’t know what happened exactly but nothing make sense, hair lose, total loss of libido AGAIN , lot of acne on shoulder and back had ache in right nipple only with itchy feeling, did a bloodwork e2 was 133 pg/ml (normal 7.6 – 52), I really panicked because my AI dose was really high, and it was not bunk because it lowered my e2 from a test I did. So I doubled the dose and did a blood work after 5 days, again e2 was 130, however symptoms of pain and itch in the nipple started to disappear and I felt like the acne are less inflamed (not gone), kept the same dose of adex ( 1mg a day ) and also added nolvadex 40mg a day to tank the gyno in case my body somehow stopped responding to the adex for some reason and ordered Aromasin, lab work done again number 131 however the symptoms are completely gone even. Aromasin arrived took 12.5mg every day, did a blood work and e2 was still 135!!! However no more water retention no more itchy nips, I think my hair stopped falling (hard to tell) and acne are reduced in size.
I know this does not make any sense but maybe it can be a contributing factor because it’s the only thing I changed in my diet, I added manuka honey, karbolyn and some almonds to gain weight.
Week20-21: I stopped the cycle and will be doing TRT with proviron for 10 days (50 mg a day), did a blood donation during this week.
My only problem now is the total loss of libido and ED and what should I do about it? Should I continue TRT doses for a few months and PCT to see what’s going on? Should I use hCG again to restore my libido (because it worked for the first time immediately)? I really feel lost if someone can tell me what’s the best thing to do.
Psychological I was normal during the cycle, no mood swings sometimes I feel extremely sad and depressed but that happens before the cycle regularly.
My gains were clean, and my body never looked so good and planning to do another cycle in the future but with these symptoms I really feel depressed not because of the loss of libido itself but because what happened to me does not make any sense?!
Any help is appreciated.
Post should be a first thing that appears when you google “first cycle”, to see exactly why you should do test only, no matter the previous lifting experience.
I believe you did your research, but you lacked experience. This is an area where you need both IMO. There are large differences in how individuals respond (where experience comes in).
Another part of your issue is you introduced a lot of drugs. Some of that is the 3 compound stack, but you also added in adex, aromasin, HCG, and caber. That is a lot to manage with extensive experience. For a first cycle it is a nightmare.
My gut says to do TRT for a few weeks, with HCG. Once you are feeling pretty good, and your nuts are looking how they did before the cycle, stop taking Test, keep taking the HCG for two weeks, then start a Nolva PCT (drop the HCG once you start the Nolva PCT).
In the future, keep things simple. You should have just run Test and maybe a mild oral like Var or Tbol for your first cycle. Perhaps do that if you do another cycle. Add stuff like Deca or EQ once you’ve got some experience with a few cycles (although EQ is pretty easy to manage for most).
Oh, get some cialis for the ED. Works pretty well. Should give you a mild bump in libido too (not directly, but random erections get me thinking dirty).
Also, the issue was almost for sure not the honey or almonds you added to your diet. It was almost for sure the AAS, the AIs, the caber that impacted your hormone levels.
Why would you push 2500iu HCG knowing your e was high? 1500 split 3x/wk would have been plenty.
Why jump to caber instead of B6/P5P?
Why bump dosages during last week of cycle?
Why go so high first cycle in the first place?
Your years training mean nothing if you don’t know what you’re doing.
How many abs do you have?
Height/weight?
Big 3 PRs?
Your libido and ED are probably related to prolactin. Try b6 daily to lower it. Can go up to 500mg. P5P i believe you can go up to 100mg daily. Do one or the other, not both.
Honestly this is what I was thinking about, but was worried about using HCG before getting my e2 controlled, now I its within normal range so I will start the HCG. Even though I don’t want to quit AAS but I might do PCT to make sure everything is back to normal.
2500iu back then my E2 was in normal range but 6 weeks after that when my E2 was out of control.
Carber, because I kind of panicked and used minimal doses and had it in hands.
I bumped dosages because the results were impressive and I thought when everything was normal and I was feeling good why not just increase the doses, I know it was not a good idea
I’m 5’7 , before I started this cycle my weight was 67kg body fat around 10-12%, after the cycle Im 76kg with impressive changes, body fat the same, but had some water retention, mostly gone after i stopped the deca and got e2 in control.
I think I just got greedy because everything was literally fine and the sides I had I could easily control them
Im not worried about libido I know loss of libido is common when taking AAS, Im just worried why did this happen? how to avoid it? how to manage it in the future?
because I just want to know what happened exactly, and how suddenly everything went wrong.
Like the AI for example why they stopped working with me? why did I bump the doses of the AI but my e2 still the same? for these reasons I’m feeling depressed and thinking what am I gonna do in my future cycles? I was the healthiest person on earth for 30 years why my body is rejecting me when I decided to start AAS, even though this idea was always in my mind since i started weight lifting but I was waiting for the right time.
My experience has been the opposite, but I havent taken eq. Nandrolone had me fucking like a woodpecker though.
Were i to guess, it was your estrogen fucking with your libido.
As for management, you need to see what works for you. You’re running an experiment on your body, which is why everyone says to add one compound at a time… less compounds = less variables = better understanding of the experiment.
Some compounds have known libido/ED effects. Definitely incorporate them only one at a time to understand how they work for you.
FYI 76kg at 5’7 and 10-12%BF don’t really warrant drugs. Idk what your training and diet look like, but you sincerely should have those dialed in 100% before touching gear.
If you dont train to failure, start.
If you arent hitting 2.2g/kg protein, start (and increase this to 3.3g/kg on cycle/TRT).
You’ll never know which item in this PED soup caused your issues. You’ve heard of KISS, I’m sure. There’s a reason for that, esp on first cycle. You can research all you want, but until you know how each compound feels TO YOU and how your body responds, none of that research really means much. You still panicked and took Caber, and the AI, and pushed your doses, etc.
Just my opinion, but I think libido and ED while on a cycle like this really shouldn’t matter. You’re taking these things to build muscle, for a small period of time, so focus on that. Focus. Stay consistent. When you come off, libido returns.
Hello, I solved everything within like 10 days, I will update this thread once I have time. No more acne, hair grew back more than before and my libido came back. Thanks for all the information.
I missed this thread first time around buts it’s no mystery what went wrong.
You took a bunch of gear without knowing how any of it would affect you and then started switching thigs out arbitrarily. Then you started having sides and just started throwing more stuff at it. Your hormones were a mess the entire cycle.
Not trying to be a dick but this is the worst cycle layout i have ever seen. It makes 0 sense. How could you possibly think this is good for a first cycle?
