[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Didn’t forget ya Chris. Can barely breathe these days. He is my strength and my fortress or I would not be standing.[/quote]
Your health ok, Tirib?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Didn’t forget ya Chris. Can barely breathe these days. He is my strength and my fortress or I would not be standing.[/quote]
Your health ok, Tirib?[/quote]Yes, I appreciate your asking. I still train hard and eat good. By barely breathe I mean no time for everything. “Everything” indicates life in general and enormous trials involving not just financial disaster, but other even more weighty matters not fit at this time for public consumption though probably will be at some time in the future. God is answering my prayers for Him to teach me some things and He’s doing it in ways I did not see comin. It hurts… alot, but I DO know what is goin on. Sorry if I gave a false impression.
I just wanted to see this thread up there with the one about the Kentucky church banning interracial marriage.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Perhaps many of us never find god because we’ve never hit a very low point in our lives.
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You’ll get there one of these days. That’s a given.[/quote]
Maybe not.
There seem to be people who have neither highs or lows and die in their sleep.
Whether they actually experienced life if they never tried to reach, not for the stars but at least higher hanging fruit is debatable.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I just wanted to see this thread up there with the one about the Kentucky church banning interracial marriage.[/quote]Here’s your hundredth clue from me about the same topic. If that church believed the bible like my church does then they wouldn’t have racism either. See, stay with me now. THAT is the cure I’m talkin about. Most churches in this country, actually in the western world, stopped faithfully upholding the Word of God a long time ago. Some are falling away even as I type this. Some continue to preach the actual gospel. There are still a good number. Even in the United States. Even many of them could use a spiritual and theological tuneup though.
Let me make this clear. I proclaim and defend the historic ancient Gospel of Jesus Christ. Most of the criticisms you see me leveling at unbelief are pointed squarely at the churches as well. Many, MANY He said, will call me Lord Lord on the day of judgement and He will say to them “I NEVER knew you, depart from you workers of lawlessness”.
It’s not too tough to tell the houses of true worship from the synagogues of Satan. In a very large % of cases the individual children of God and the children of the devil are obvious too. This is another abominable modernism that has invaded the body of Christ. Judge not lest ye be judged is bar one the most abused and mutilated passage of scripture in the entirety of bible.
Of course on you all this will have the effect of preaching the Word to a dead man. Oh yeah, that’s what I’m doin. You’re one of the people I continue prayin for though capped. I pray that my loving merciful Lord Jesus will make Himself real to you and raise you from this heart of stone you carry around to one filled with His Spirit and life.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I just wanted to see this thread up there with the one about the Kentucky church banning interracial marriage.[/quote]Here’s your hundredth clue from me about the same topic. If that church believed the bible like my church does then they wouldn’t have racism either. See, stay with me now. THAT is the cure I’m talkin about. Most churches in this country, actually in the western world, stopped faithfully upholding the Word of God a long time ago. Some are falling away even as I type this. Some continue to preach the actual gospel. There are still a good number. Even in the United States. Even many of them could use a spiritual and theological tuneup though.
Let me make this clear. I proclaim and defend the historic ancient Gospel of Jesus Christ. Most of the criticisms you see me leveling at unbelief are pointed squarely at the churches as well. Many, MANY He said, will call me Lord Lord on the day of judgement and He will say to them “I NEVER knew you, depart from you workers of lawlessness”.
It’s not too tough to tell the houses of true worship from the synagogues of Satan. In a very large % of cases the individual children of God and the children of the devil are obvious too. This is another abominable modernism that has invaded the body of Christ. Judge not lest ye be judged is bar one the most abused and mutilated passage of scripture in the entirety of bible.
Of course on you all this will have the effect of preaching the Word to a dead man. Oh yeah, that’s what I’m doin. You’re one of the people I continue prayin for though capped. I pray that my loving merciful Lord Jesus will make Himself real to you and raise you from this heart of stone you carry around to one filled with His Spirit and life.
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Ah, I should have expected this.
My car is a toyota. My car is a good car. Therefore, all toyotas are good cars. That other toyota with lots of problems? That’s not a real toyota. If it was a real toyota, like MY toyota, it wouldn’t have those problems, because all real toyotas are good cars, like mine.
The only reason your arguments are so hard to argue against, Tirib, is because you set up circular logic loops that are too tight to let any reason or thought in.
“My God is good, therefore whatever my God does is good, even if, anyone or anything else doing that same thing, under any circumstance, would be bad. My God is loving and merciful, except when he’s killing babies. Actually, wait, no, he’s loving and merciful while he’s killing babies, because he decides what loving and merciful means, and therefore whatever he does is loving and merciful.”
Speaking of, why are you praying that Jesus makes himself real to me? Are you under the impression that you, Tiribulus, have enough clout with the Son of God that he’ll go out of his way to honor your requests? That is to say, that he would make himself real to me because you asked, when he had no intention to otherwise? And if he intended to anyway, why pray and ask him? Why not just trust in Jesus and let Jesus decide what Jesus wants to do, rather than think you have a better idea than Jesus Christ himself?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: Ah, I should have expected this.
My car is a toyota. My car is a good car. Therefore, all toyotas are good cars. That other toyota with lots of problems? That’s not a real toyota. If it was a real toyota, like MY toyota, it wouldn’t have those problems, because all real toyotas are good cars, like mine. >>>[/quote]Toyota corporation gets to tell me what real Toyotas are. If they say “we know that’s not one of ours”. I will belive them. [quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< “My God is good, therefore whatever my God does is good, even if, anyone or anything else doing that same thing, under any circumstance, would be bad. My God is loving and merciful, except when he’s killing babies. Actually, wait, no, he’s loving and merciful while he’s killing babies, because he decides what loving and merciful means, and therefore whatever he does is loving and merciful.” >>>[/quote]Not quite. He’s just and holy when He’s killing babies. Not merciful and loving like He is when He’s saving damnable sinners like me. See unlike you I let the designer of everything define, you guessed it again… yes, everything.
Once one understands that absolutely everybody, including babies, deserves eternal death, the question of His killing whoever He decides to takes care of itself. The thing I wonder most of all is not why would God order the extermination of a heathen nation, including the babies, (which He is gracious enough to tell us why anyway) but why OH WHY would He save anybody at all. Especially me. I have glimpsed his blinding unapproachable spotless holiness. I know what I am without Him. I don’t question anything He does. [quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Speaking of, why are you praying that Jesus makes himself real to me? Are you under the impression that you, Tiribulus, have enough clout with the Son of God that he’ll go out of his way to honor your requests? That is to say, that he would make himself real to me because you asked, when he had no intention to otherwise? And if he intended to anyway, why pray and ask him? Why not just trust in Jesus and let Jesus decide what Jesus wants to do, rather than think you have a better idea than Jesus Christ himself?[/quote]I don’t know what His intention is with you. I do know what it is with me. I cannot help, but love those I pray for. He commands me to pray for the lost and faithfully represent Him in the earth. He burdens His saints with certain people that they develop a passion to see redeemed. Yes, He has ordained that He will save in response to prayer that He has also ordained. How does that work? No idea. That’s because He’s God and I ain’t. I do know that I love Him with everything I am and everything I have. There’s a buncha folks He has put on my heart. You are one of them.
Many years ago, before I was saved. I was hitchhiking back to my neighborhood after being released from jail. I walked all day until I was getting close and this guy picked me up. He was about my age. He had me in his car so I was a captive audience. He was nervous, but he fumbled through telling me about my need for Jesus. I was thankful for the ride, but I didn’t wanna hear it. When he dropped me off he offered me a handshake. I took it and he held on for a second or two longer. looked me right in the eye and said: “I’m gonna be prayin for you. My church too”.
I KNOW they did. I know they did for a long time too because looking back now I recognize the burden in his eyes that God had given him for me though he didn’t even know me. I can still see his face. The flawlessly faithful and merciful almighty God answered their prayers. They will find out when they are rewarded for their faithfulness to Him. On the day when every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Of course I have no way to prove this, but I believe that God has shown me that at least one person who I have no idea about, who has never replied to a single post of mine here will by His grace and decree come to know Him at least partially in response to something I say. I may have said it already. Maybe not, I don’t know. The number of views on any thread I participate in is just as important to me as the number of replies. Behind one of those numbers is an elect brother or sister of mine. I pray for them too. Believe me, I now how nutty all this sounds to you. But not to them.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Many years ago, before I was saved. I was hitchhiking back to my neighborhood after being released from jail. I walked all day until I was getting close and this guy picked me up. He was about my age. He had me in his car so I was a captive audience. He was nervous, but he fumbled through telling me about my need for Jesus. I was thankful for the ride, but I didn’t wanna hear it. When he dropped me off he offered me a handshake. I took it and he held on for a second or two longer. looked me right in the eye and said: “I’m gonna be prayin for you. My church too”. [/quote]
So, again, here, we have an example of you being in an emotionally vulnerable state and someone capitalizing on that to press their religious beliefs on you.
Kinda like that ace of spades dude, right?
Or are you going to say you weren’t vulnerable because you “had a girlfriend and everything!” again?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Many years ago, before I was saved. I was hitchhiking back to my neighborhood after being released from jail. I walked all day until I was getting close and this guy picked me up. He was about my age. He had me in his car so I was a captive audience. He was nervous, but he fumbled through telling me about my need for Jesus. I was thankful for the ride, but I didn’t wanna hear it. When he dropped me off he offered me a handshake. I took it and he held on for a second or two longer. looked me right in the eye and said: “I’m gonna be prayin for you. My church too”. [/quote]
So, again, here, we have an example of you being in an emotionally vulnerable state and someone capitalizing on that to press their religious beliefs on you.
Kinda like that ace of spades dude, right?
Or are you going to say you weren’t vulnerable because you “had a girlfriend and everything!” again?[/quote]This was like 2 years before I received Christ. I got out of his car and didn’t give him a second thought. I would have much more “vulnerable” then, than when I met the “ace of spades dude”. I was homeless, sleeping behind buildings and eating out of dumpsters. By the time I met the “ace of spades” dude, (his description of himself actually), I had a job, was clean and sober for over a year and had every reason to have confidence in the direction my life was taking.
Yes, Bobby was “black as the ace of spades”. Somebody called him “colored” one time and he retorted with, “Do I look purple to you brother? I’m as black as the ace of spades”. I’ll give ya credit for remembering though.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Many years ago, before I was saved. I was hitchhiking back to my neighborhood after being released from jail. I walked all day until I was getting close and this guy picked me up. He was about my age. He had me in his car so I was a captive audience. He was nervous, but he fumbled through telling me about my need for Jesus. I was thankful for the ride, but I didn’t wanna hear it. When he dropped me off he offered me a handshake. I took it and he held on for a second or two longer. looked me right in the eye and said: “I’m gonna be prayin for you. My church too”. [/quote]
So, again, here, we have an example of you being in an emotionally vulnerable state and someone capitalizing on that to press their religious beliefs on you.
Kinda like that ace of spades dude, right?
Or are you going to say you weren’t vulnerable because you “had a girlfriend and everything!” again?[/quote]This was like 2 years before I received Christ. I got out of his car and didn’t give him a second thought. I would have much more “vulnerable” then, than when I met the “ace of spades dude”. I was homeless, sleeping behind buildings and eating out of dumpsters. By the time I met the “ace of spades” dude, (his description of himself actually), I had a job, was clean and sober for over a year and had every reason to have confidence in the direction my life was taking.
Yes, Bobby was “black as the ace of spades”. Somebody called him “colored” one time and he retorted with, “Do I look purple to you brother? I’m as black as the ace of spades”. I’ll give ya credit for remembering though.
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Lets not forget that Bobbys MO was to go to AA meetings to spread his religious views. And that it was at one of those meetings that he found you.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Many years ago, before I was saved. I was hitchhiking back to my neighborhood after being released from jail. I walked all day until I was getting close and this guy picked me up. He was about my age. He had me in his car so I was a captive audience. He was nervous, but he fumbled through telling me about my need for Jesus. I was thankful for the ride, but I didn’t wanna hear it. When he dropped me off he offered me a handshake. I took it and he held on for a second or two longer. looked me right in the eye and said: “I’m gonna be prayin for you. My church too”. [/quote]
So, again, here, we have an example of you being in an emotionally vulnerable state and someone capitalizing on that to press their religious beliefs on you.
Kinda like that ace of spades dude, right?
Or are you going to say you weren’t vulnerable because you “had a girlfriend and everything!” again?[/quote]
I bet if I changed a few words and reframed the conversation I could use “Tirib-speak” to manipulate girls into bed.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Lets not forget that Bobbys MO was to go to AA meetings to spread his religious views. And that it was at one of those meetings that he found you.[/quote]Could I trouble you for a point. He was led to the Lord by a man named Clarence who was one of the original 9 members of AA in the early days in Akron. Why wouldn’t he go there to share his faith? You’re Like AHA!!! This guy talked about Jesus and you heard him!!! And? That’s how God says He spreads His gospel. Through faithful preachers of His word. That’s what Christians do. We want others to be saved because we love God and them and we’re grateful for His having saved us.
EDIT. BTW, you’ve been uncharacteristically cordial to me these last few posts. I’m rather enjoying your company a bit.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Lets not forget that Bobbys MO was to go to AA meetings to spread his religious views. And that it was at one of those meetings that he found you.[/quote]Could I trouble you for a point. He was led to the Lord by a man named Clarence who was one of the original 9 members of AA in the early days in Akron. Why wouldn’t he go there to share his faith? You’re Like AHA!!! This guy talked about Jesus and you heard him!!! And? That’s how God says He spreads His gospel. Through faithful preachers of His word. That’s what Christians do. We want others to be saved because we love God and them and we’re grateful for His having saved us.
EDIT. BTW, you’ve been uncharacteristically cordial to me these last few posts. I’m rather enjoying your company a bit.[/quote]
No. I’m all “AHA!! He deliberately sought out vulnerable people to witness to.”
You realize that’s what cults do, right? And that its immoral to specifically target emotionally distressed or vulnerable people to “share” your views with them?
Two other things, Tirib: is your name actually Greg, or was that a House reference in the other thread?
Also, you said “Judge not lest ye be judged is bar one the most abused and mutilated passage of scripture in the entirety of bible.” bar one? Whats the one, there?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Two other things, Tirib: is your name actually Greg, or was that a House reference in the other thread?
Also, you said “Judge not lest ye be judged is bar one the most abused and mutilated passage of scripture in the entirety of bible.” bar one? Whats the one, there?[/quote]Yes, my name is actually Greg.
That was a typo. I meant none. I only have a minute, but two things about your other post. One, Jesus Himself went to the hurting, downcast dregs of His day. Two. We witness to ANYbody, ANYwhere. Jesus can and does save ALL kinds of people. Any race, any station in life, any social or economic status, but he specializes in those who have lost all hope.
Because those who have been forgiven much love much and He is exceedingly glorified. Whether it be Mary Magdalene the whore or Joseph of Arimathea the rich man, Luke the physician, Matthew the thieving tax collector or Greg the all round despicable lowlife. The same Lord is Lord of all.
If I get a chance I’ll tell ya the story of the woman with the perpetual issue of blood. There’s far more there than meets the eye. (Matthew 9:20-22, Mark 5:25-34, Luke 8:43-47)
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Two other things, Tirib: is your name actually Greg, or was that a House reference in the other thread?
Also, you said “Judge not lest ye be judged is bar one the most abused and mutilated passage of scripture in the entirety of bible.” bar one? Whats the one, there?[/quote]Yes, my name is actually Greg.
That was a typo. I meant none. I only have a minute, but two things about your other post. One, Jesus Himself went to the hurting, downcast dregs of His day. Two. We witness to ANYbody, ANYwhere. Jesus can and does save ALL kinds of people. Any race, any station in life, any social or economic status, but he specializes in those who have lost all hope.
Because those who have been forgiven much love much and He is exceedingly glorified. Whether it be Mary Magdalene the whore or Joseph of Arimathea the rich man, Luke the physician, Matthew the thieving tax collector or Greg the all round despicable lowlife. The same Lord is Lord of all.
If I get a chance I’ll tell ya the story of the woman with the perpetual issue of blood. There’s far more there than meets the eye. (Matthew 9:20-22, Mark 5:25-34, Luke 8:43-47)
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That’s cool. My fathers name was Greg.
So let me ask you what you keep asking everyone: what do you know, and how do you know that you know it?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< That’s cool. My fathers name was Greg. >>>[/quote]Sounds like he’s passed away. I’m sorry. [quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< So let me ask you what you keep asking everyone: what do you know, and how do you know that you know it?[/quote]Yer scarin me now dude. Yer bein nice to me. Thank you. That actually means something to me. Please see the “we need another Christianity thread” thread.
I’m going to once again replace the words having to do with God with Santa so you can see how it’s read by the non-Christians:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: Ah, I should have expected this.
My car is a toyota. My car is a good car. Therefore, all toyotas are good cars. That other toyota with lots of problems? That’s not a real toyota. If it was a real toyota, like MY toyota, it wouldn’t have those problems, because all real toyotas are good cars, like mine. >>>[/quote]Toyota corporation gets to tell me what real Toyotas are. If they say “we know that’s not one of ours”. I will belive them. [quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< “My Santa is good, therefore whatever my Santa does is good, even if, anyone or anything else doing that same thing, under any circumstance, would be bad. My Santa is loving and merciful, except when he’s killing babies. Actually, wait, no, he’s loving and merciful while he’s killing babies, because he decides what loving and merciful means, and therefore whatever he does is loving and merciful.” >>>[/quote]Not quite. He’s just and holy when He’s killing babies. Not merciful and loving like He is when He’s saving damnable sinners like me. See unlike you I let the designer of everything define, you guessed it again… yes, everything.
Once one understands that absolutely everybody, including babies, deserves eternal death, the question of Santa killing whoever He decides to takes care of itself. The thing I wonder most of all is not why would Santa order the extermination of a heathen nation, including the babies, (which He is gracious enough to tell us why anyway) but why OH WHY would He save anybody at all. Especially me. I have glimpsed his blinding unapproachable spotless holiness. I know what I am without Santa. I don’t question anything Santa does. [quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Speaking of, why are you praying that Santa makes himself real to me? Are you under the impression that you, Tiribulus, have enough clout with the Son of Santa that he’ll go out of his way to honor your requests? That is to say, that he would make himself real to me because you asked, when he had no intention to otherwise? And if he intended to anyway, why pray and ask him? Why not just trust in Santa and let Santa decide what Santa wants to do, rather than think you have a better idea than Santa himself?[/quote]I don’t know what His intention is with you. I do know what it is with me. I cannot help, but love those I pray for. Santa commands me to pray for the lost and faithfully represent Him in the earth. He burdens His saints with certain people that they develop a passion to see redeemed. Yes, He has ordained that He will save in response to prayer that He has also ordained. How does that work? No idea. That’s because He’s Santa and I ain’t. I do know that I love Him with everything I am and everything I have. There’s a buncha folks He has put on my heart. You are one of them.
Many years ago, before I was saved. I was hitchhiking back to my neighborhood after being released from jail. I walked all day until I was getting close and this guy picked me up. He was about my age. He had me in his car so I was a captive audience. He was nervous, but he fumbled through telling me about my need for Santa. I was thankful for the ride, but I didn’t wanna hear it. When he dropped me off he offered me a handshake. I took it and he held on for a second or two longer. looked me right in the eye and said: “I’m gonna be prayin for you. My church too”.
I KNOW they did. I know they did for a long time too because looking back now I recognize the burden in his eyes that Santa had given him for me though he didn’t even know me. I can still see his face. The flawlessly faithful and merciful almighty Santa answered their prayers. They will find out when they are rewarded for their faithfulness to Him. On the day when every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Santa is Lord to the glory of Santa the Father.
Of course I have no way to prove this, but I believe that Santa has shown me that at least one person who I have no idea about, who has never replied to a single post of mine here will by His grace and decree come to know Him at least partially in response to something I say. I may have said it already. Maybe not, I don’t know. The number of views on any thread I participate in is just as important to me as the number of replies. Behind one of those numbers is an elect brother or sister of mine. I pray for them too. Believe me, I now how nutty all this sounds to you. But not to them.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012203300362 One of these women was the niece of the keyboard player on the praise team at my church. The funeral is at a church pastored by the uncle of our worship leader. The way we understand it the car they were in was shot at by a spurned ex and the two refused offers of money to keep silent and were abducted and executed for that reason. Their bodies were found less than a mile from where I live. Welcome to Detroit =[
EDITED for mixup in information.
Yesterday my church, which is about 95% black, had our 6 active duty members march the stars n stripes up our middle isle and mount it in a holder. Taps was played and we sang the Star Spangled Banner.
Our pastor who is also black gave a short sermonette about how while we worship God alone, we are duty bound to honor our dead and maimed who by His grace have suffered and sacrificed greatly along with their families so that we could live in what is still (but probably not for long) the freest nation on earth. Thank you.