[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Wadda ya tryin to rip a CD into mp3 files?[/quote]
No, already have it on a the computer (bought it from Apple) just g mail won’t let you send anything over 25mb.[/quote]Aha.
You may find this surprising, but I really love Gregorian chant style acapella. Seriously. That must be Latin huh?
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Let me have a listen! Please?[/quote]
Did he ever get you this?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Wadda ya tryin to rip a CD into mp3 files?[/quote]
No, already have it on a the computer (bought it from Apple) just g mail won’t let you send anything over 25mb.[/quote]Aha.
You may find this surprising, but I really love Gregorian chant style acapella. Seriously. That must be Latin huh?
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Let me have a listen! Please?[/quote]
Did he ever get you this?[/quote]
I’m waiting for a PM, I am not sure if I am not getting it or something, either way. I’ll get it to you’ll the rest.
Have you ever successfully gotten a pm from ANYBODY? I’ve been sending you them for months and you’ve never gotten one of mine. Have they ever worked?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This will be the first and probably last “religious” thread I will start here.
We are going through the most horrifically challenging trial of our lives. If it we’re not for my faithful risen Lord and my loving brothers and sisters in Christ I would be unable to bear up under the crushing pressure of this season of exceedingly hard providence.
Last Sunday I was on my face at Church beseeching God for wisdom and strength to get us through this in a way that is pleasing and glorifying in His sight. I wound up with other men of God laying their hands on me and praying with and for me for quite a while. This church is deep in the heart of the Detroit ghetto (Grand River and Schoolcraft) and 90 plus percent black. These people could not possibly care less what color anybody is except red, covered in the blood of the lamb.
Unlike social temples of political idolatry like Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, here we have nothing but the pure Gospel of repentance from sin and living the life of the risen Son of God. That transforming power simply does not allow for idiotic pettiness revolving around somebody’s anthropological origins. We love each other because He who’s name is above every name first loved us and sacrificed Himself for us. Let there be a revival of the true Gospel of God across this land and we will witness how He who commands light to exist and is Himself the light of the world chases away all darkness including the abominable scourge of racism.
Edited for an embarrassing spelling error.[/quote]
Tiribulus, you have the Support of a Proud WELS Lutheran,
[quote]wiscredneck wrote:
<<< Tiribulus, you have the Support of a Proud WELS Lutheran,[/quote] Ahhh, one of them there Lutheran fundamentalists so to speak. Outstanding. Thank you sir. Yours is one of the few of the antique reformation denominations that has resisted the march of modernism. A praiseworthy thing to be sure. I recommended ol Martin’s classic “The Bondage of the Will” right here in this very thread. Those old timers crack me up. He beat poor Erasmus like a dog in that book.
Luther said in The Bondage of the Will:
[quote]“Even grammarians and schoolboys on street corners know that nothing more is signified by verbs in the imperative mood than what ought to be done, and that what is done or can be done should be expressed by words in the indicative. How is it that you theologians are twice as stupid as schoolboys, in that as soon as you get hold of a single imperative verb you infer an indicative meaning, as though the moment a thing is commanded it is done, or can be done?”[/quote]and again:[quote]“omnipotence and foreknowledge of God, I repeat, utterly destroy the doctrine of ‘free-will’…doubtless it gives the greatest possible offense to common sense or natural reason, that God, Who is proclaimed as being full of mercy and goodness, and so on, should of His own mere will abandon, harden and damn men, as though He delighted in the sins and great eternal torments of such poor wretches. it seems an iniquitous, cruel, intolerable thought to think of God; and it is this that has been such a stumbling block to so many great men down through the ages. And who would not stumble at it? I have stumbled at it myself more than once, down to the deepest pit of despair, so that I wished I had never been made a man. (That was before I knew how health-giving that despair was, and how close to grace.)”[/quote]Great book.
Guaranteed Cure for Prejudice (including prejudice against race, class, illiteracy, &c) = Catholic Church.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Guaranteed Cure for Prejudice (including prejudice against race, class, illiteracy, &c) = Catholic Church.
http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/0.1/solved.htm [/quote]I have almost as much disdain for dispensationalISM as I do for CatholicISM for all the reasons this article mentions. It might be the most thoroughly unbiblical system of doctrine there is that is held by those who actually have the true saving gospel. Some very fine and very misguided Christian people.
For the record, nobody goes to hell because they’re catholic. They go to hell because they’re not saved. There are people in my church who will go to hell.
That was a great read, Chris, thanks a lot.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
That was a great read, Chris, thanks a lot. [/quote]
Welcome.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Guaranteed Cure for Prejudice (including prejudice against race, class, illiteracy, &c) = Catholic Church.
http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/0.1/solved.htm [/quote]I have almost as much disdain for dispensationalISM as I do for CatholicISM for all the reasons this article mentions. It might be the most thoroughly unbiblical system of there is that is held by those who actually have the true saving gospel. Some very fine and very misguided Christian people.
For the record, nobody goes to hell because their catholic. They go to hell because they’re not saved. There are people in my church who will go to hell.[/quote]
Tell me about this ‘saved’ thing. This is a serious question, and only a quest for information - I’m not asking it as a prelude to launching another attack on religion.
I remember sitting a paper on the Reformation during my history undergrad and we went through the basic tenets of the faith, but have forgotten it all now.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Tiribulus is right.
Racism is ugly, and the easiest way to get sucked into it is to dwell on classifying people by category. The best way to get out of that mindset is by doing something where race doesn’t matter, with all kinds of different people, so that your own common sense and practical experience will stop you before you start believing bullshit. [/quote]
"WHEN you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.’
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'Every thought and feeling must flower for them to live and die. Flowering of everything in you, the ambition, the greed, the hate, the joy, the passion - there is their death and freedom. It is only in freedom that anything can flourish, not in suppression, in control and discipline, these only pervert, corrupt. Flowering and freedom is goodness and all virtue."
– J. Krishnamurti
I’ll go with this:
The 19th Psalm
[quote]For the choir director. A Psalm of David.
1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words;
Their voice is not heard.
4 Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their utterances to the end of the world.
In them He has placed a tent for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber;
It rejoices as a strong man to run his course.
6 Its rising is from one end of the heavens,
And its circuit to the other end of them;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
[b]7 The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.
10 They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them Your servant is warned;
In keeping them there is great reward.
12 Who can discern his errors? Acquit me of hidden faults.
13 Also keep back Your servant from presumptuous sins;
Let them not rule over me;
Then I will be blameless,
And I shall be acquitted of great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.[/b][/quote]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Circular reasoning[/quote]
[quote]Magicpunch wrote:
<<< Tell me about this ‘saved’ thing. This is a serious question, and only a quest for information >>>[/quote]If you could b a bit more specific I’ll explain as best I can.
I went to a meeting tonight of about 7000 Christians from at least 100 different local churches and as far away as 100 miles. About 50/50 (a non scientific observation) black and white or other non black people. My pastor (who is black) was one of the speakers.
Even the most vituperative of unbelievers would have been convinced that whatever was in that very large room had indeed erased anything resembling racism.
We baptized 4 more new believers this morning including an 18 year old girl who showed up at our celebrate recovery meeting Friday night. One of the women brought this kid in. The fun streets of Detroit have really taken a toll on this young lady. Being shot and left for dead finally convinced her that there might not be a future in the life she was leading. It was absolutely beautiful seeing her buried with Jesus in baptism and raised with Him in new life. She’ll have plenty of discipling from some of the other girls.
Also, a representative form the Detroit city council was there today to present an award to the youth minister for saving a drowning boy last summer. He fell in a fast moving river and can’t swim. The minister jumped in and finally found him at the bottom of a deep spot several dozen yards further down. He managed to get him close enough to shore for the other boys to pull him out though he had no pulse. One the boys performed CPR and revived him. Despite being under water for several minutes (maybe as many as 10, nobody timed it) the boy has made a full recovery. This award is granted by unanimous affirmation of the city council and is recorded in the official historical record of the city. I didn’t even know they did that. I doubt Kwame did either =]
You want a much less complicated “cure for racism” that does not divide people like religion does? It’s called “sport”. Play a sport with teammates from other races. After a lifetime of sport, it’s very difficult to be racist.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You want a much less complicated “cure for racism” that does not divide people like religion does? It’s called “sport”. Play a sport with teammates from other races. After a lifetime of sport, it’s very difficult to be racist. [/quote]
Eh…you mean like soccer? Because that has been known to cause fights.