Growing GOP Pedophile List

[quote]LBRTRN wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
lumpy wrote:

Clinton had relations with a woman(22).
Foley had relations with 16 year old boys.

Only a total jackass would compare the 2.

lumpy, do you object if (as is being currently reported) the page was age 18?

Very simple question requiring a yes or no.

JeffR

Monica was 22.

If the page was 22, then NO.

Your refusal to show a shred of intellectual honesty is embarrassing.
She was 22.
Of course hannity lie last night and said 19(wonder why).

But if forced to answer a meaningless question, I guess no I wouldn’t care if he was with an 18 year old in a consenual relation.

But at least one page WAS 16? so what’s the point?

“Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html

What’s dishonest is Jeffr’s
framing.

Sigh…the age of consent is 16, so what’s your point?

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Sigh…The age of consent involving soliciting or discussing sexual acts is 18. That was the point. Jeebus.

see? so 18 is O.k.
22 is really o.k.
16 is really bad.
16, when you co-sponsored the legislation making your own actions illegal—really, really, really bad.

You guys do follow the news right?

[quote]100meters wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
lumpy wrote:

Clinton had relations with a woman(22).
Foley had relations with 16 year old boys.

Only a total jackass would compare the 2.

lumpy, do you object if (as is being currently reported) the page was age 18?

Very simple question requiring a yes or no.

JeffR

Monica was 22.

If the page was 22, then NO.

Your refusal to show a shred of intellectual honesty is embarrassing.
She was 22.
Of course hannity lie last night and said 19(wonder why).

But if forced to answer a meaningless question, I guess no I wouldn’t care if he was with an 18 year old in a consenual relation.

But at least one page WAS 16? so what’s the point?

“Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html

What’s dishonest is Jeffr’s
framing.

Sigh…the age of consent is 16, so what’s your point?

Sigh…The age of consent involving soliciting or discussing sexual acts is 18. That was the point. Jeebus.

see? so 18 is O.k.
22 is really o.k.
16 is really bad.
16, when you co-sponsored the legislation making your own actions illegal—really, really, really bad.

You guys do follow the news right?[/quote]

Thanks, lumpy.

So far you’ve provided a link to a 16 year old that was completely devoid of any sexual content whatsoever.

You did much better with the plame “scandal.” You dragged that one on for months.

This one is dying too quickly for you and I can feel your pain.

I truly want you to be an effective antagonist.

Right now, you are only making me sad.

There is no honor in trampling a weakling. I want you up in arms in your righteous fury. I want you to feel you are doing well before you get slammed.

Not whimpering your way to the finish line.

I’m waiting to see where he violated the law.

Waiting.

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
100meters wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
lumpy wrote:

Clinton had relations with a woman(22).
Foley had relations with 16 year old boys.

Only a total jackass would compare the 2.

lumpy, do you object if (as is being currently reported) the page was age 18?

Very simple question requiring a yes or no.

JeffR

Monica was 22.

If the page was 22, then NO.

Your refusal to show a shred of intellectual honesty is embarrassing.
She was 22.
Of course hannity lie last night and said 19(wonder why).

But if forced to answer a meaningless question, I guess no I wouldn’t care if he was with an 18 year old in a consenual relation.

But at least one page WAS 16? so what’s the point?

“Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html

What’s dishonest is Jeffr’s
framing.

Sigh…the age of consent is 16, so what’s your point?

Sigh…The age of consent involving soliciting or discussing sexual acts is 18. That was the point. Jeebus.

see? so 18 is O.k.
22 is really o.k.
16 is really bad.
16, when you co-sponsored the legislation making your own actions illegal—really, really, really bad.

You guys do follow the news right?

Thanks, lumpy.

So far you’ve provided a link to a 16 year old that was completely devoid of any sexual content whatsoever.

I’m waiting to see where he violated the law.

Waiting.

JeffR
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/three_more_form.html

soliciting sex from at least one 17 year old would maybe be a violation of the legislation he co-sponsored?

[quote]100meters wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
lumpy wrote:

Clinton had relations with a woman(22).
Foley had relations with 16 year old boys.

Only a total jackass would compare the 2.

lumpy, do you object if (as is being currently reported) the page was age 18?

Very simple question requiring a yes or no.

JeffR

Monica was 22.

If the page was 22, then NO.

Your refusal to show a shred of intellectual honesty is embarrassing.
She was 22.
Of course hannity lie last night and said 19(wonder why).

But if forced to answer a meaningless question, I guess no I wouldn’t care if he was with an 18 year old in a consenual relation.

But at least one page WAS 16? so what’s the point?

“Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html

What’s dishonest is Jeffr’s
framing.

Sigh…the age of consent is 16, so what’s your point?

Sigh…The age of consent involving soliciting or discussing sexual acts is 18. That was the point. Jeebus.

see? so 18 is O.k.
22 is really o.k.
16 is really bad.
16, when you co-sponsored the legislation making your own actions illegal—really, really, really bad.

You guys do follow the news right?[/quote]

2 things:

First, the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act that you referenced earlier was passed July 20, 2006. Did not the email conversations in question happen months prior?

Second, according to http://www.chicagotribune.com/...ll=chi-news-hed , Federal law makes it a crime to use the Internet to entice or solicit sex from minors, but charges cannot be brought unless the actions would constitute crimes in the states where they occurred. Now, I’ve tried reading over US code on this issue, and to put it mildly, it’s confusing as hell. However, given everything I’ve been able to find seems to suport the above statement, I think the age-of-consent laws of the states involved are vitally important to the present debate.

(edit: ignore the first point. I didn’t know it could be applied ex post facto.)

[quote]LBRTRN wrote:
100meters wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
lumpy wrote:

Clinton had relations with a woman(22).
Foley had relations with 16 year old boys.

Only a total jackass would compare the 2.

lumpy, do you object if (as is being currently reported) the page was age 18?

Very simple question requiring a yes or no.

JeffR

Monica was 22.

If the page was 22, then NO.

Your refusal to show a shred of intellectual honesty is embarrassing.
She was 22.
Of course hannity lie last night and said 19(wonder why).

But if forced to answer a meaningless question, I guess no I wouldn’t care if he was with an 18 year old in a consenual relation.

But at least one page WAS 16? so what’s the point?

“Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html

What’s dishonest is Jeffr’s
framing.

Sigh…the age of consent is 16, so what’s your point?

Sigh…The age of consent involving soliciting or discussing sexual acts is 18. That was the point. Jeebus.

see? so 18 is O.k.
22 is really o.k.
16 is really bad.
16, when you co-sponsored the legislation making your own actions illegal—really, really, really bad.

You guys do follow the news right?

2 things:

First, the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act that you referenced earlier was passed July 20, 2006. Did not the email conversations in question happen months prior?

Second, according to http://www.chicagotribune.com/...ll=chi-news-hed , Federal law makes it a crime to use the Internet to entice or solicit sex from minors, but charges cannot be brought unless the actions would constitute crimes in the states where they occurred. Now, I’ve tried reading over US code on this issue, and to put it mildly, it’s confusing as hell. However, given everything I’ve been able to find seems to suport the above statement, I think the age-of-consent laws of the states involved are vitally important to the present debate.

(edit: ignore the first point. I didn’t know it could be applied ex post facto.)

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oops I see your edit here…
but you are right on the second part!

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
I don’t want to open this entire debate up again, but the facts reveal that a higher percentage of child molesters are Gay, or claim to be Gay like Foley. They also tend to have some childhood trauma like Foley where he was molested.

So perhaps instead of revealing that a lot of the GOP are child molesters you have revealed that a lot are actual Gay.
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I actually believe you may be more correct, because many certainly are. More so, I happen to think the Christian values thing is used mostly as a ruse or “beard” as the case may be.

I had read a statistic before that said overall, heterosexuals where involved in 70% of cases but that the remaining 30% were committed by homosexuals - who only happen to represent about 3% of the population.

In a related note the theory about the Catholic clergy is that it attracts more homosexuals because a heterosexual is less likely to take a lifelong vow of celibacy.

Regardless, homosexuality and religion do not seem to be a very good mix…

Forced Clerical Celibacy Violates Central Christian Tenet
Dr. John Money, a leading expert on sexual violence, has demonstrated a basic given: people who exist in environments where heterosexual sex is viewed as something dirty end up with deviant and warped sexual identities. Dr. David Finkelhor, a prominent expert on the study of sexual abuse of children, has conclusively demonstrated that repressive sexual attitudes linked to many religions predispose many individuals to abnormal sexual activities, which include pedophilia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=181

Has Hastert just been “outed”!?!?

Who is Scott Palmer?
If Fordham did warn Palmer about Foley a long time ago, what are the odds that Palmer did not tell Hastert? As close to zero as you can get. Many chiefs of staff are close, very close, to their bosses on Capitol Hill. But none are closer than Scott Palmer is to Denny Hastert. They don’t just work together all day, they live together.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
rainjack wrote:

CLinton’s crime was not a blowjob, however. It was lying to a grand jury. That’s called perjury. That’s why Willie’s not a lawyer anymore. That’s why he was impeached.

Note that’s the same crime for which a lot of folks would like to see Scooter Libby do jail time…

Great point. Anyone that supported Clinton for his foolishness should extend the same support for Foley and Libby.
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And anyone that attacked Clinton should extend the same support for Foley and Libby?

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
rainjack wrote:

CLinton’s crime was not a blowjob, however. It was lying to a grand jury. That’s called perjury. That’s why Willie’s not a lawyer anymore. That’s why he was impeached.

Note that’s the same crime for which a lot of folks would like to see Scooter Libby do jail time…

Very true, good point.

It’s funny how the left always boils Clinton’s crimes dowm to “just a blowjob”. Like that was his only indescretion while in office.

Also, the crime that the left wants Libby to do time for, the same crime that they want to give billy boy a pass on, is the same crime that they always defend Clinton by saying “who wouldn’t lie, I’d lie to!”. This is a comment I’ve personally heard many times.

A little inconsistant IMHO.
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So now you admit Libby lied to a grand jury. It looks like we’re getting somewhere.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

While 100meters is not stupid he certainly is blindly partisan.

Quite possibly the most blindly partisan person on this forum, left or right.

No, that would be the morons that had their briefs in a not over Clintons blowjob. Do you remember how old that young lady was at that time?
And now cry left wing bitch job when the tables are turned.

What are you saying? You’re moral outrage then was fake?
Or you hold democrats to higher standards then republicans.

Which one do you choose?

Two questions for you wreckless, did billy boy commit purjory? and do you think that was okay?

What say you.

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I don’t he think he did.
In my opinion, getting a blowjob from some intern at work is a private matter. And as such no grand jury should be allowed to “look into it”. And if they are, they’re no longer a grand jury, but a nosy neighbour. It’s ok to lie to a nosy neighbour to protect your personal life.

Return question: do you think it was ok for the Republican leadership to lie they didn’t know they had a sexual predator among them?

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:

Clinton had relations with a woman(22).
Foley had relations with 16 year old boys.

Only a total jackass would compare the 2.

Clinton had SEX with Lewinski and others. As far as I know Foley did not.

Has Foley perjured himself over this yet like Clinton did?

Clinton comes off far worse. Only a jackass would deny it.

You can buy a lot of “worse” for $40 million.

Price tag for Starr investigation: $40 million plus
CNN - Feb 1, 1999
Although some Starr critics had previously tagged him with spending as much as $40 million, the figures contained in a Justice Department budget document released Monday represent the first government confirmation that his investigation costs have reached that level.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/01/starr.costs/

And how concerned were the Republicans about getting to the bottom of 9/11?

9/11 Commission Funding Woes
TIME - Mar. 26, 2003
The panel has until the end of May 2004 to complete its work, but it will spend the $3 million it was originally allotted by around August 2003 - if it doesn’t get the supplement.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html

Not very.
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GOOD POST ! ! !

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I don’t he think he did.
In my opinion, getting a blowjob from some intern at work is a private matter. And as such no grand jury should be allowed to “look into it”. And if they are, they’re no longer a grand jury, but a nosy neighbour. It’s ok to lie to a nosy neighbour to protect your personal life.
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Actually, he lied in a legal lawsuit. The line of question was absolutely legal, and relevant to the nature of the lawsuit. In fact, was it not Clinton who supported (if not signed) the laws allowing for that line of questiong? I’m pretty sure it was part of sexual harrasment law that he himself at least supported.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t like the question. If the judge deemed to allow it…Clinton and Libby should have to face the consequences. Me and you would have to. They both, should have to, too.

Now, can you be as consistent as I was?

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I don’t he think he did.
In my opinion, getting a blowjob from some intern at work is a private matter. And as such no grand jury should be allowed to “look into it”. And if they are, they’re no longer a grand jury, but a nosy neighbour. It’s ok to lie to a nosy neighbour to protect your personal life.[/quote]+

I know you are a dipshit - but are you really going to sit there with a straight face and be THIS big of one?

The blowjob is indeed a private matter. BUT - he was being sued for sexual harassmment. And in sworn testimony he lied.

I really don’t know why this is such a hard concept for the left wing Clintophiles to grasp. Lying under oath is what we call perjury.

He was asked about the blowj0ob because it was pat if the case against him. Had Slickster said - “Hell yeah - she sucked me off like a drunk prom date” there would have been no impeachment charges. But Billy had to lie under oath. That is a crime.

You are making assumptions and placing blame WAYYYYYY before the horse here. It’s a pretty long leap from lying under oath to calling the republican leadership liars when you don’t even lknow all the facts of the case.

But - being the blinded partisan you are - I can see how y9ou will throw the rule of law out the window to get to the decision you need to support your ass-licking love of the pro-terrorist party.

Umm… Foley is a creep of no small amount. The GOP leadership is washing its hands of him, presumably to save face.

<edit: wrong link, sorry for my tardness>

Hastert WAS told in the Spring. It is now Autumn. Do the damn math.

As for Clinton, yes he lied under oath about getting head. Wasn’t that like ten years ago or something?

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Umm… Foley is a creep of no small amount. The GOP leadership is washing its hands of him, presumably to save face.

http://www.veteransforamerica.org/articleid/8394

Hastert WAS told in the Spring. It is now Autumn. Do the damn math.

As for Clinton, yes he lied under oath about getting head. Wasn’t that like ten years ago or something?[/quote]

Yes, everyone agrees Foley is a creep. What exactly was Hastert told?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
Umm… Foley is a creep of no small amount. The GOP leadership is washing its hands of him, presumably to save face.

http://www.veteransforamerica.org/articleid/8394

Hastert WAS told in the Spring. It is now Autumn. Do the damn math.

As for Clinton, yes he lied under oath about getting head. Wasn’t that like ten years ago or something?

Yes, everyone agrees Foley is a creep. What exactly was Hastert told?

[/quote]

Sloth, I still can’t figure that out.

If he was told that some dink was writing messages to pages asking “what they wanted for their birthday.” I would have wanted Hastert to sit down with foley and say, “Cut that crap out.” I would have wanted Hastert to say, “That could me misconstrued in many corners.”

Now, that APPEARS to be the gist of what he was told. I’d be curious to see what my esteemed liberal friends THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE beyond that.

How exactly was he going to monitor IM messages?

Should Hastert have sent the FBI to investigate?

Should Hastert have demanded he resign right then?

If someone can show a transcript or eyewitnesses that say Hastert was told that foley wanted pictures of underage page’s “penises,” then I will be 100% on board with asking Hastert to resign. Hell, I’d ask for a cut of his salary.

Otherwise, stop the useless posturing. foley is history (as he should be).

JeffR

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Yes, everyone agrees Foley is a creep. What exactly was Hastert told?

[/quote]
From the correct link, sorry:

[i]Rep. Tom Reynolds, R-New York, issued the apology in a TV commercial aired in his Buffalo-area district.

He also reiterated his assertion that he told House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, about Foley’s behavior in the spring.

“I trusted that others had investigated. Looking back, more should have been done, and for that, I’m sorry,” Reynolds said.

“I was told about odd but not explicit e-mails between Mark Foley and a page,” he said. "I never saw a single e-mail, not one. Even so, I reported what I had been told to the speaker of the House.

“At the time, I thought I had done the right thing. I have since learned that newspapers in Florida and the FBI had copies of the e-mails for months and that Foley had been confronted about them and lied,” Reynolds said.

“Nobody’s angrier and more disappointed than me that I didn’t catch his lies,” he said.

The scandal appears to be damaging Reynolds’ re-election bid. Polls conducted since Foley’s resignation show Democratic challenger Jack Davis with a narrow lead over Reynolds. [/i]

Also:

[i]Reynolds said he told Hastert about the e-mails because he thought it was appropriate to inform his “supervisor” about allegations of possible sexual misconduct.

Hastert has said he does not recall the conversation, but he didn’t dispute that it took place. House leaders have said they learned of the e-mails in late 2005.

Kirk Fordham resigned as Reynolds’ chief of staff Wednesday amid allegations that he sought to protect Foley from a congressional inquiry. The FBI interviewed Fordham on Thursday.

Fordham, who also has served as Foley’s chief of staff, denied the claim and said he was merely reaching out to the congressman, “as any good friend would.”

Fordham later said that before 2005 he told Hastert’s chief of staff, Scott Palmer, about concerns over Foley’s conduct. However, in a one-sentence, written statement Palmer said, “What Kirk Fordham said did not happen.”[/i]

This is what I meant by “washing their hands”.

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Yes, everyone agrees Foley is a creep. What exactly was Hastert told?

From the correct link, sorry:

[i]Rep. Tom Reynolds, R-New York, issued the apology in a TV commercial aired in his Buffalo-area district.

He also reiterated his assertion that he told House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, about Foley’s behavior in the spring.

“I trusted that others had investigated. Looking back, more should have been done, and for that, I’m sorry,” Reynolds said.

“I was told about odd but not explicit e-mails between Mark Foley and a page,” he said. "I never saw a single e-mail, not one. Even so, I reported what I had been told to the speaker of the House.

“At the time, I thought I had done the right thing. I have since learned that newspapers in Florida and the FBI had copies of the e-mails for months and that Foley had been confronted about them and lied,” Reynolds said.

“Nobody’s angrier and more disappointed than me that I didn’t catch his lies,” he said.

The scandal appears to be damaging Reynolds’ re-election bid. Polls conducted since Foley’s resignation show Democratic challenger Jack Davis with a narrow lead over Reynolds. [/i]

Also:

[i]Reynolds said he told Hastert about the e-mails because he thought it was appropriate to inform his “supervisor” about allegations of possible sexual misconduct.

Hastert has said he does not recall the conversation, but he didn’t dispute that it took place. House leaders have said they learned of the e-mails in late 2005.

Kirk Fordham resigned as Reynolds’ chief of staff Wednesday amid allegations that he sought to protect Foley from a congressional inquiry. The FBI interviewed Fordham on Thursday.

Fordham, who also has served as Foley’s chief of staff, denied the claim and said he was merely reaching out to the congressman, “as any good friend would.”

Fordham later said that before 2005 he told Hastert’s chief of staff, Scott Palmer, about concerns over Foley’s conduct. However, in a one-sentence, written statement Palmer said, “What Kirk Fordham said did not happen.”[/i]

This is what I meant by “washing their hands”.

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Is this all about the E-mails again? The ones that the Page’s parents complained about? I’m sorry, but I can’t blame Hastert for not acting on the E-mails that he’s discussed. They’re too ambigious, and I can see how it would be unclear if Foley was trying to be a friendly mentor, or something else.

Now did Hastert learn something else? Maybe earlier? Sorry, I’m going to have to hear the results of the investigations. I have no reservations in calling for him to resign, if he had clear knowledge, of Foley send explicit and sexual communications to pages.

As far as who actually knew what, and when? Too many contradictions, I’ll let the investigations sort that out. In the meantime, I’m not going to hang Foley’s indiscretions around Hastert’s neck till I know for sure.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
As far as who actually knew what, and when? Too many contradictions, I’ll let the investigations sort that out. In the meantime, I’m not going to hang Foley’s indiscretions around Hastert’s neck till I know for sure.
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Just playing here, really…
Were you this gun-shy about Clinton’s little oopsie until they found the blue dress DNA? :slight_smile:

OOPS THIS JUST IN

Hey, maybe Foley was just gay, and not a pedophile? This kid says he was 21 when he and Foley… you know.

Does that mean Foley gets his job back? It’s not like he broke the law… oh wait, you guys are Republicans. Never mind. :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Just playing here, really…
Were you this gun-shy about Clinton’s little oopsie until they found the blue dress DNA? :slight_smile:

OOPS THIS JUST IN

Hey, maybe Foley was just gay, and not a pedophile? This kid says he was 21 when he and Foley… you know.

Does that mean Foley gets his job back? It’s not like he broke the law… oh wait, you guys are Republicans. Never mind. :stuck_out_tongue:
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Um, If it was just Clinton getting a BJ, I wouldn’t have supported an impeachment. Maybe a censure, for boning the staff, but not impeachment. I supported impeachment because he lied, under oath, in a court of law. You and I would more than likely see some prison time for that.

Does Foley get his job back? Gay or not, he harrassed pages. So, no. Democrats, what do you all think? Does Foley get his job back?