[quote]jwillow wrote:
monkeypee wrote:
It seems one of Greens+ ingredient has soy in it.
That’s only in the new “Soylent Greens” flavor.[/quote]
I heard the new Soylent Greens is suspiciously high in protein. Any truth to the rumours?
[quote]Kailash wrote:
God, I do sound like a shill. But at least I know I’m not, while with Berardi - who plays a nutrition guru in real life - I’ll never know with absolute certainty.
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That is an incredibly poor choice of words. Not something that should just be tossed around.
I mean realy, when you talk about a world reknowned professional- at least try to choose your words a little more carefully, and back them up with a substantial body of evidence.
[quote]Kailash wrote:
Maybe Berardi should just say ‘a’ greens powder, so that people won’t need Greens+ with religious fervor, or something… I mean, shit!
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There is a specific reason my Berardi recomends Greens+ though. Thats probibly why he doesn’t say: A Greens product.
[quote]Nomancer wrote:
There is a specific reason my Berardi recomends Greens+ though. Thats probibly why he doesn’t say: A Greens product.[/quote]
Maybe the recommendation is due to royal jelly. When some people get a buzz, they’ll think “Wow, I have so much energy now that I’m eating my greens.” People like to feel their supplements working. Same reason why some companies add yohimbine to their herbal testosterone formula.
[quote]Kailash wrote:
Nomancer wrote:
There is a specific reason my Berardi recomends Greens+ though. Thats probibly why he doesn’t say: A Greens product.
Maybe the recommendation is due to royal jelly. When some people get a buzz, they’ll think “Wow, I have so much energy now that I’m eating my greens.” People like to feel their supplements working. Same reason why some companies add yohimbine to their herbal testosterone formula.[/quote]
Its because of the studies that I mentioned above:
In a landmark University of Toronto clinical study involving over 100 participants, greens+ became the first green food supplement proven to increase energy. The results of this double-blind, placebo controlled study have been published in the June 2004 Canadian Journal of Dietetic Practice and Research. Over the course of the 3-month study, those using greens+ experienced significantly greater energy levels and reported an increased sense of vitality vs. the placebo group. In addition, the greens+ users also noticed improvements in their mental health, along with improved overall health and well-being.
Many green food products currently marketed in Canada claim to increase health, energy and well-being, yet no research studies have proven these claims. The greens+ study is the first to provide evidence that enables health care providers and consumers to make informed choices about green food supplements. These results simply support what greens+ users have known all along ? greens+ makes you feel better!
In addition to the obvious effects of increasing energy and vitality, greens+ also protects your body over the longer term. A second study conducted at the University of Toronto and soon to be published in the Journal of Medicinal Foods proved that greens+ significantly increases blood antioxidant capacity and protects the cells of the human body. In fact, a serving of greens+ provides the antioxidant equivalent of six organic salads. That?s great news if you can?t always eat as you should. Further research will also be presented at the 27th Annual Meeting of the American Society for Bone and Mineral Research in October, showing how greens+ can promote bone formation and assist in protection against osteoporosis.
Holy shit, I was right. The royal jelly - that was just a guess. I hadn’t seen the study that you’d mentioned, to know they were primarily concerning the non-greens effect.
And would you like some yohimbine in your herbal testosterone blend? It gets you hard, but it doesn’t effect the hormones at all.
Personally, I think it’s shameful that the number one selling point of Greens+ is that they fool people into feeling healthier, when the feeling hasn’t much to do with health.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That is an incredibly poor choice of words. Not something that should just be tossed around.
I mean realy, when you talk about a world reknowned professional- at least try to choose your words a little more carefully, and back them up with a substantial body of evidence.[/quote]
What? I didn’t say anything more than that for which I have total evidence. “I trust me, I don’t know about Berardi.”
If someone else says “I trust Berardi”, they’re the ones who claim belief in something with no proof.
[quote]Kailash wrote:
Holy shit, I was right. The royal jelly - that was just a guess. I hadn’t seen the study that you’d mentioned, to know they were primarily concerning the non-greens effect.
And would you like some yohimbine in your herbal testosterone blend? It gets you hard, but it doesn’t effect the hormones at all.
Personally, I think it’s shameful that the number one selling point of Greens+ is that they fool people into feeling healthier, when the feeling hasn’t much to do with health.[/quote]
Isn’t feeling healthy (feeling good) the whole point?
That, and living longer. But if you are healthier and don’t feel any better, whats the point? (other than living longer)
Also, the second study (3rd paragagraph) is about the antioxidant value.
[quote]Riminator wrote:
In my opinion the best greens product is New Chapter’s “Berry Green”. No fillers…only fruits and vegetables.[/quote]
I’m a fan as well. As someone with allergies to pollen and such, I’ve always been particularly leery of taking anything with bee pollen or royal jelly in it. Yes, some people will claim they help desensitize you to those things, but I would rather not try that stuff on my own. That’s what allergy shots from competent allergist/immunologists are for…
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Riminator wrote:
In my opinion the best greens product is New Chapter’s “Berry Green”. No fillers…only fruits and vegetables.
I’m a fan as well. As someone with allergies to pollen and such, I’ve always been particularly leery of taking anything with bee pollen or royal jelly in it. Yes, some people will claim they help desensitize you to those things, but I would rather not try that stuff on my own. That’s what allergy shots from competent allergist/immunologists are for…[/quote]
I have just been using berry green for a month, good product, it tastes like ass though, even through protein shakes
I cant wait for Biotest to make a greens supplement that tastes like lemonade, until then berry green will do
[quote]Kailash wrote:
What? I didn’t say anything more than that for which I have total evidence. “I trust me, I don’t know about Berardi.”
If someone else says “I trust Berardi”, they’re the ones who claim belief in something with no proof.[/quote]
there is no such thing as total evidence. you have extended a poor arguement about a miniscule amount of soy and perhaps bee pollen to say that the other 90+% of the compound has no effect.
everyone that has tried green+ reports that their stomach feels better right away. must be the bee pollen or royal jelly.
there are many other grrens products on the market. in the states, now’s greens product is like half the cost of greens+ and has a similar ingredient list. another product that some of my clients like is emerald balance by sgn nutrition. neither of these products has the added sugar many greens powders have.
for those that have no issue with greens+, there are flavored versions available, the berry mix goes good with vanilla, as well as ones with added vitamins and minerals, a bone formula, and the daily detox that JB has mentioned.
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
Cluster wrote:
Kailash wrote:
So why the hell are people still using Greens+? Berardi clones?
Why are we using a product endorsed by someone that we recognize as an expert on supplements and nutrtion and whose opinion we trust?
And that has no vested interest in such product, is paid nothing for his time and effort to indorse such a product? Yea, seems like a stupid idea to me as well.[/quote]
How do you guys know what vested interest, if any, an author has in products and services he recommends?
How do you know Berardi doesn’t have a friend in the company that he is helping out by endorsing the product?
I have no clue about Berardi, but I do know A LOT of authors are in undisclosed affiliate agreements with other authors. (I do web design, so I know when a link from Site A to Site B is being tracked by Site B.)
Here, in fact, in an article about affiliate agreements:
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=41058&tid=112
Of course, an an author who recommends junk will harm his reputation. But whether an author is recommending something out of the goodness of his heart, or because he has a piece of the action, is an entirely different issue.
[quote]Nomancer wrote:
Kailash wrote:
Maybe Berardi should just say ‘a’ greens powder, so that people won’t need Greens+ with religious fervor, or something… I mean, shit!
There is a specific reason my Berardi recomends Greens+ though. Thats probibly why he doesn’t say: A Greens product.[/quote]
Very true. And the reason is that greens+ specifically the greens+ that is supplied by Genuine Health in Canada, is the most reserached and accredited green food on the market.
When greens+ is studied and compared to other green foods. It has always been a superior product when it comes to ORAC value and PRAL tests. It is also is the most consistent green food when it comes stardardized ingredients.
OMG. I can’t believe the pedentary and bitchiness in this thread.
Are you ladies done yet, or is more arguing yet to ensue?
[quote]ubl0 wrote:
Kailash wrote:
What? I didn’t say anything more than that for which I have total evidence. “I trust me, I don’t know about Berardi.”
If someone else says “I trust Berardi”, they’re the ones who claim belief in something with no proof.
there is no such thing as total evidence. you have extended a poor arguement about a miniscule amount of soy and perhaps bee pollen to say that the other 90+% of the compound has no effect.
everyone that has tried green+ reports that their stomach feels better right away. must be the bee pollen or royal jelly.
there are many other grrens products on the market. in the states, now’s greens product is like half the cost of greens+ and has a similar ingredient list. another product that some of my clients like is emerald balance by sgn nutrition. neither of these products has the added sugar many greens powders have.
for those that have no issue with greens+, there are flavored versions available, the berry mix goes good with vanilla, as well as ones with added vitamins and minerals, a bone formula, and the daily detox that JB has mentioned.[/quote]
Tell me about the NOW product that is half the cost of greens plus please.
it is called Green PhytoFoods Powder. two 31 serving bottles cost $30 USD. a 510g greens+ (about 60 servings) cost any where from $58-68 here in canada depending on whether or not SND is out or not (high price is grocery store or mall supplement store).
Hey, I got an idea. How about just cooking some greens yourself?! You could go down to Whole Foods and get some bee pollen/royal jelly. If you’ve got a good juicer, you could even make yourself some wheatgrass juice…growing the stuff yourself is easy and costs pennies a day. What’s more, you would know that you were getting good ingredients.
I dont want to downplay supplements, but this Greens+ product reminds me of that Simpson’s where Homer takes up bodybuilding and decides that everthing
has to be eaten in the form of a nutritional candy bar. JUST EAT THE REAL THING!
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Hey, I got an idea. How about just cooking some greens yourself?! You could go down to Whole Foods and get some bee pollen/royal jelly. If you’ve got a good juicer, you could even make yourself some wheatgrass juice…growing the stuff yourself is easy and costs pennies a day. What’s more, you would know that you were getting good ingredients.
I dont want to downplay supplements, but this Greens+ product reminds me of that Simpson’s where Homer takes up bodybuilding and decides that everthing
has to be eaten in the form of a nutritional candy bar. JUST EAT THE REAL THING![/quote]
thats a lot of work
[quote]JimmyJamesMD wrote:
thats a lot of work
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Not really. You make a huge portion of greens once or twice a week and store it. Also, you can eat salads with greens in it.
Bee pollen/royal jelly, of course, you can buy.
Wheat grass is the hardest thing, I’ll admit. You can leave it out or buy it already juiced (it’s expensive if you go to Whole Foods to have it done).
Has anyone ever thought about cycling greens products instead of commiting to one solely? It seems like a good idea would be to buy a new product when your old one runs out, and compare the results and feeling of well-being.