Green Lantern Relaunched as Gay

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
This whole accepted/not accepted by society for thousands of years is nothing but a logical fallacy. Because something has been around a long time or is “time tested” it is therefore correct. If you don’t believe me that it’s a fallacy, google argument from age.

However if we set aside the fact that thirdruffian purported a fallacy, how good a test is society for what should be moral/acceptable? Well slavery was socially acceptable for several thousands of years and only recently was deemed unacceptable by society (relatively speaking). Does that mean slavery is moral?

[/quote]

You’re always going to have things that flip back and forth according to what “society” deems acceptable and that just happens historically. Just because something is widely accepted by society does not mean it is moral. Now the issue of “morality” is a mash up between societal and personal mindset so I tend not to lean with what “society” thinks morally sometimes because usually it conflicts with my personal moral affliation.

I’m Christian I pretty much stick to the basics of Biblical philosophy, less the certain practices that no longer apply to current society, namely stories, phrases and actions that were demostrative in manner and not meant to be taken literally.

Take recreational drug use for instance, for me this is morally wrong but plenty people in Cali grow and smoke weed. IT is accepted and non-stigmatized in California by residents in general but it doesn’t mean that I personally think it is right.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
But for the core of homosexuals, I really believe that they are born this way. I really don’t see teenagers deciding to go this way, especially when they know that they could be killed for it. [/quote]

I certainly do not posit to know. There have been studies showing that at least a plurality of self-described homosexuals were molested as children and that they did not identify as homosexual until after the molestation.

http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/[/quote]

I already explained that many homosexuals have not been abused and that many heterosexuals in self-destructive behaviour were abused. It’s not consistent enough.

About the source, I don’t read anything with a religious background when it comes to homosexuality or abort because I already know what I’m going to find there. And that man has strong ties with religious and very conservative institutions.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
If any of my (future) kids became homo I’d still love them with all my heart. I would still reach out to them and let them know I love em but it wouldn’t change the fact that I’d tell them it is and will always be wrong…and it would break my heart terribly.

That wouldn’t stop me from hanging out with them, or inviting them to thanksgiving or whatever. Love conquers all. If I hate them and push them away, how can I ever have them see my point of view. That’s why I was upset with the other poster calling me a bigot. You love the person and dislike the sin. Pushing people away who are gay is a wrong approach.[/quote]

But why is it wrong?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
…It’s such a childish and simplistic view of the world. But then again, most of these people sit there thinking “everyone should be like me” instead of recognizing that people are not all the same.[/quote]

^^Oh the extreme irony.[/quote]

You have the freedom to believe what you want, you don’t have the freedom to make others believe in your nonsense.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I wasn’t “picking on you”… It was a joke. Sorry if it felt like I was picking on you because that wasn’t my intention, just some good natured humor. (serious)

“There’s two things I can’t stand, people who are intolerant or other peoples cultures… And the Dutch.” (kinda the joke I was going for originally)[/quote]

Well, let’s say that our exchange was weird overall.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
…It’s such a childish and simplistic view of the world. But then again, most of these people sit there thinking “everyone should be like me” instead of recognizing that people are not all the same.[/quote]

^^Oh the extreme irony.[/quote]

You have the freedom to believe what you want, you don’t have the freedom to make others believe in your nonsense.[/quote]

^^again… Do you see the irony?

I’m sure thirdruffian would say the same thing about you. No one is “making” anyone believe what they believe. People are just posting their opinions on message board.

(also, you have no idea what I believe about this subject because I haven’t and won’t express my opinion on the matter, you just assumed… And you know what they say about assumptions)

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
If any of my (future) kids became homo I’d still love them with all my heart. I would still reach out to them and let them know I love em but it wouldn’t change the fact that I’d tell them it is and will always be wrong…and it would break my heart terribly.

That wouldn’t stop me from hanging out with them, or inviting them to thanksgiving or whatever. Love conquers all. If I hate them and push them away, how can I ever have them see my point of view. That’s why I was upset with the other poster calling me a bigot. You love the person and dislike the sin. Pushing people away who are gay is a wrong approach.[/quote]

But why is it wrong? [/quote]

Well that leads us back to personal & Societal moral obligation which I highlighted earlier in response to RAJ

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i think its cute that people care about other people’s private life so much as to hate them. Where is the harm in being gay? The fact that people are still insisting that its just ‘wrong’ is beyond me, open your eyes to logic not opinion.
Hell why dont we just bring back slavery, we all know ‘race’ makes someone superior/inferior.
O wait… humans are fucking humans…

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[quote]bignate wrote:
i think its cute that people care about other people’s private life so much as to hate them. Where is the harm in being gay? The fact that people are still insisting that its just ‘wrong’ is beyond me, open your eyes to logic not opinion.
Hell why dont we just bring back slavery, we all know ‘race’ makes someone superior/inferior.
O wait… humans are fucking humans…[/quote]

I hope you’re not directing this towards me…I never said I hated anyone. Actually it’s quite the opposite.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:

[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]

No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.

This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.

And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.[/quote]

The fact that you feel a gay relationship needs to be screened at all shows your mindset. Would you screen your children from a hetrosexual relationship? Would you refuse to allow your children to have anything to do Mormons, Muslims or Hindus?

“Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is 100% accurate IMO. Gay people are born that way, so its obviously natural. As for morality, I don’t see how anyone gets hurt by what two consenting adults do with each other. I’m not sure how an action that doesn’t affect anyone else can be considered immoral.

In short, I’d have no issues at all with my kids being around gay people, but I’d do my best to keep them away from people like you. [/quote]

Dude you’re reaching. You clearly are. You’re trying to make me out to be some sort of monster because I think Homosexuality is immoral behavior. I’ve shared my views with classmates I had in college…(most of males in my program were gay) and with my friends gay roomates and they are completely fine with it. So actual gay people have no issue with my stance and I was actually still able to have a full conversation with them and have a good time but I’m a bigot?? LOLOL You have every right to keep you children away from me or people “Like” me as much as you want. That’s your right as a parent. I can say without a doubt that there are worse people in the world than some dude who thinks homosexuality is immoral.

And yes, as I’ve already said, I would screen my children from anything that I deem too adult for their age. That means ANY type of relationship or overtly violent themes that I don’t deem to be age appropriate. Hetrosexual, Homosexual or otherwise. I think kids (3-12) nowadays are exposed to themes that are way too adult for their age, in general.

Haha…I mean I could totally see your point if I was yelling gay slurs and calling for their extermination…but that is totally not what has been going on from my stance in this thread.[/quote]
I’m not reaching. I genuinely think you are not a good person.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:

[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]

No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.

This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.

And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.[/quote]

The fact that you feel a gay relationship needs to be screened at all shows your mindset. Would you screen your children from a hetrosexual relationship? Would you refuse to allow your children to have anything to do Mormons, Muslims or Hindus?

“Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is 100% accurate IMO. Gay people are born that way, so its obviously natural. As for morality, I don’t see how anyone gets hurt by what two consenting adults do with each other. I’m not sure how an action that doesn’t affect anyone else can be considered immoral.

In short, I’d have no issues at all with my kids being around gay people, but I’d do my best to keep them away from people like you. [/quote]

Dude you’re reaching. You clearly are. You’re trying to make me out to be some sort of monster because I think Homosexuality is immoral behavior. I’ve shared my views with classmates I had in college…(most of males in my program were gay) and with my friends gay roomates and they are completely fine with it. So actual gay people have no issue with my stance and I was actually still able to have a full conversation with them and have a good time but I’m a bigot?? LOLOL You have every right to keep you children away from me or people “Like” me as much as you want. That’s your right as a parent. I can say without a doubt that there are worse people in the world than some dude who thinks homosexuality is immoral.

And yes, as I’ve already said, I would screen my children from anything that I deem too adult for their age. That means ANY type of relationship or overtly violent themes that I don’t deem to be age appropriate. Hetrosexual, Homosexual or otherwise. I think kids (3-12) nowadays are exposed to themes that are way too adult for their age, in general.

Haha…I mean I could totally see your point if I was yelling gay slurs and calling for their extermination…but that is totally not what has been going on from my stance in this thread.[/quote]
I’m not reaching. I genuinely think you are not a good person.[/quote]

While I don’t agree with FN’s position with THIS particular subject, I don’t see how I or ANYONE can say that he’s not a good person.

Have you paid attention to any other posts before this thread?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
This whole accepted/not accepted by society for thousands of years is nothing but a logical fallacy. Because something has been around a long time or is “time tested” it is therefore correct. If you don’t believe me that it’s a fallacy, google argument from age.

[/quote]

I think you misread the argument.

As established above (and contrary to the modern PC myth), most human populations have, fairly consistently, for some thousands of years decided that homosexual sodomy (on the receiving end) was not socially acceptable and to be avoided.

While certainly by no means conclusively correct, to ignore their decisions is silly.

People in the past were, by no means, stupid. Indeed, in many ways, they took much more time to think about societal order, being that their lives and societies were much more fragile.

Again, I am not saying to blinding follow tradition, but to throw away tradition without serious thoughts as to why the tradition exists (and even to give the benefit of the doubt to traditional practices) takes some chutzpah.

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nvm…came in seven pages late. Continue.

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[quote]bignate wrote:
i think its cute that people care about other people’s private life so much as to hate them. Where is the harm in being gay? The fact that people are still insisting that its just ‘wrong’ is beyond me, open your eyes to logic not opinion.
Hell why dont we just bring back slavery, we all know ‘race’ makes someone superior/inferior.
O wait… humans are fucking humans…[/quote]

Glad you understand that having SSA does not make a person inferior. But, why does it not make them superior or inferior?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol

THOUGHTS?[/quote]

My first thought is that it’s weird that you think a gay green lantern is ‘unsafe’ for children. That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. wtf is unsafe? that a child might find out that people can be gay? that you as a parent might have to explain this to him?

And last time I checked, most mainstream comic books aren’t about the super hero ‘banging’ his girlfriend… so why would making the super hero gay make the comic book overly sexualized? This doesn’t make sense. You think DC’s planning on making Green Lantern into gay pornography?[/quote]

If this is true, then why do they even have to mention the fact that he has SSA? Is he a celibate SSA man? Is that now part of his struggle in the story, not having sex outside of wedlock, specifically with men? I’m not getting the point of making a character that was not originally a SSA man, into a SSA man if there is nothing sexualized about it.[/quote]

For the same reason they make superheroes of different ethnicities/backgrounds it will allow gay children to have a superhero to look up to/identify with.

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol

THOUGHTS?[/quote]

My first thought is that it’s weird that you think a gay green lantern is ‘unsafe’ for children. That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. wtf is unsafe? that a child might find out that people can be gay? that you as a parent might have to explain this to him?

And last time I checked, most mainstream comic books aren’t about the super hero ‘banging’ his girlfriend… so why would making the super hero gay make the comic book overly sexualized? This doesn’t make sense. You think DC’s planning on making Green Lantern into gay pornography?[/quote]

If this is true, then why do they even have to mention the fact that he has SSA? Is he a celibate SSA man? Is that now part of his struggle in the story, not having sex outside of wedlock, specifically with men? I’m not getting the point of making a character that was not originally a SSA man, into a SSA man if there is nothing sexualized about it.[/quote]

For the same reason they make superheroes of different ethnicities/backgrounds it will allow gay children to have a superhero to look up to/identify with.[/quote]

Then please, give me a fat super hero so I can feel happy and therapeutic, too. Super heroes are supposed to express and inspire great virtue and heroism, not make someone feel good about themselves.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol

THOUGHTS?[/quote]

My first thought is that it’s weird that you think a gay green lantern is ‘unsafe’ for children. That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. wtf is unsafe? that a child might find out that people can be gay? that you as a parent might have to explain this to him?

And last time I checked, most mainstream comic books aren’t about the super hero ‘banging’ his girlfriend… so why would making the super hero gay make the comic book overly sexualized? This doesn’t make sense. You think DC’s planning on making Green Lantern into gay pornography?[/quote]

If this is true, then why do they even have to mention the fact that he has SSA? Is he a celibate SSA man? Is that now part of his struggle in the story, not having sex outside of wedlock, specifically with men? I’m not getting the point of making a character that was not originally a SSA man, into a SSA man if there is nothing sexualized about it.[/quote]

For the same reason they make superheroes of different ethnicities/backgrounds it will allow gay children to have a superhero to look up to/identify with.[/quote]

Then please, give me a fat super hero so I can feel happy and therapeutic, too. Super heroes are supposed to express and inspire great virtue and heroism, not make someone feel good about themselves. [/quote]

Mr. Incredible

And having a gay superhero is not just to make them feel good. You think having a hero like The Black Panther simply made young black kids feel good?

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol

THOUGHTS?[/quote]

My first thought is that it’s weird that you think a gay green lantern is ‘unsafe’ for children. That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. wtf is unsafe? that a child might find out that people can be gay? that you as a parent might have to explain this to him?

And last time I checked, most mainstream comic books aren’t about the super hero ‘banging’ his girlfriend… so why would making the super hero gay make the comic book overly sexualized? This doesn’t make sense. You think DC’s planning on making Green Lantern into gay pornography?[/quote]

If this is true, then why do they even have to mention the fact that he has SSA? Is he a celibate SSA man? Is that now part of his struggle in the story, not having sex outside of wedlock, specifically with men? I’m not getting the point of making a character that was not originally a SSA man, into a SSA man if there is nothing sexualized about it.[/quote]

For the same reason they make superheroes of different ethnicities/backgrounds it will allow gay children to have a superhero to look up to/identify with.[/quote]

Then please, give me a fat super hero so I can feel happy and therapeutic, too. Super heroes are supposed to express and inspire great virtue and heroism, not make someone feel good about themselves. [/quote]

Mr. Incredible

And having a gay superhero is not just to make them feel good. You think having a hero like The Black Panther simply made young black kids feel good?
[/quote]
Hey man keep T’Challa out of this.

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:
Mr. Incredible

And having a gay superhero is not just to make them feel good. You think having a hero like The Black Panther simply made young black kids feel good?
[/quote]

Then explain how GL’s new found SSA goes towards his virtue and heroism?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:
Mr. Incredible

And having a gay superhero is not just to make them feel good. You think having a hero like The Black Panther simply made young black kids feel good?
[/quote]

Then explain how GL’s new found SSA goes towards his virtue and heroism?[/quote]

I think it shows that our sexuality, though a huge part of our lives, isn’t an issue in our virtuous and heroic vocations.

:wink: