Greatest 3 Stretch of Albums

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
The Beatles:

Rubber Soul
Revolver
Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band

/thread

Sorry, but the Beatles rarely ever lived up to the hype that surrounded them.

Those are three good albums though.

No, they did live up to the hype. They were masters of the pop song, and it’s be hard to find anyone from the rock n roll era to do it as well as them. It’d just that when your hyped up to be geniuses for that ability, people expect more than just great pop songs and then they’re disappointed.

But I will say I wasn’t as big a fan of Sgt. Peppers and the albums after as I was of their previous output. If their earliest albums didn’t have songs that weren’t as strong as the hits, they’d have like 5-7 straight great albums IMO.[/quote]

I think the media frenzy surrounding the band painted them as the “be all” of rock n roll. This would have been the case except you had that Elvis guy and other bands like the Stones and Beach Boys doing work on par with Beatles.

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
The Beatles:

Rubber Soul
Revolver
Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band

/thread

Sorry, but the Beatles rarely ever lived up to the hype that surrounded them.

Those are three good albums though.

I am not personally a huge Beatles fan, but to say they failed to live up to their hype is incorrect. Culturally and musically no band made more of an impact.

They were media darlings that happened to be in the right place at the right time.

It’s just like now, with that silly Beatles Rock Band game. Everyone is a Beatles fan all of a sudden.

And musically, I can think of several bands that were superior.

You’ve gotta at least explain why you don’t like the artist. I don’t mean to offend you, but it ruins music discussions when you say something like “they were overhyped” just the way it does when someone plays the “music industry is evil” card or “people are too dumb to get real music” excuse. [/quote]

I actually “like” the Beatles. I have several of their albums. I just think they were overrated.

As musicians, I think they were above average. I think they improved as musicians and song-writers and there last several years as a band were really good. Their early stuff, while decent, all kind of sounded the same to me and wasn’t too complex.

Lastly, I take considerable stock in how well bands play live. Great bands should play and sound great live as well. I don’t think the Beatles were particularly strong live. Not bad, but not as good as in the studio.

[quote]Dustin wrote:

I think the media frenzy surrounding the band painted them as the “be all” of rock n roll. This would have been the case except you had that Elvis guy and other bands like the Stones and Beach Boys doing work on par with Beatles.[/quote]

That’s sort’ve how it is when you read the biographies and articles about any artist/group. I’ve read plenty that would make Elvis sounds like the be all end all of rock, the same goes for the Rolling Stones. And yes there are articles about the Beach Boys where people talk about how they were better than the Beatles and how Pet Sounds is the rock classic of it’s decade. And how the “Smile” album would’ve been even better.

The same can be said for Led Zeppelin too. Now I enjoy their music a lot, but there’s not a lot that’s special about playing a guitar with a violin stick thingy. But if you’d read what some people say…

It’s rock canon man, just learn to ignore it the way I did :).

You’re right, The Beatles aren’t the “be all” of rock. They are however, definitely the most important band in the genre. What Elvis was to breaking rock into the mainstream culture, The Beatles were to making it fully accepted in mainstream culture. And musically, they were important too. The British Invasion set the path as far as what big time rock would sound like in the future, and the Beatles were at the forefront of that movement. I like the Rolling Stones more than the Beatles too, but I know the Beatles were more important and definitely deserved the fame they had.

OK what about 4 stretches

Guns N Roses - Appetite for Destruction, Lies, Use Your Illusion I, Use your Illusion II

Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall

Blur - Leisure, Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape

[quote]Dustin wrote:

I actually “like” the Beatles. I have several of their albums. I just think they were overrated.

As musicians, I think they were above average. I think they improved as musicians and song-writers and there last several years as a band were really good. Their early stuff, while decent, all kind of sounded the same to me and wasn’t too complex. [/quote]

I agree with you that they weren’t good musicians as far as how well they played their instruments, but to me pop music shouldn’t really stress things like that. If I wanted virtuosity I would listen to Classical, Jazz, or some other genre known for this. I like pop music (be it rock, hip hop, or whatever) to be music for the masses by the masses. I’m not against musicianship, but it can’t be the defining quality of great musicians (not saying you said this). Punk was great in spite of musicianship.

As for songwriting (keeping in mind my views on musicianship in pop music), I think they were one of the best at it. The melodies and hooks were just some of the best in music. and their LYRICS are underrated. I mean it. I feel people judge lyrics too much on wordplay and message, and forget that the lyrics have to fit the music/overall aesthetic. “She Loves You” is the perfect example of this, the way the lyrics fit the sound of the song <-dunno if this makes much sense but I can explain it in detail if needed, but “She Loves You” isn’t just a great song, it genius as far as pop music lyrics go.

[quote]Dustin wrote:

Lastly, I take considerable stock in how well bands play live. Great bands should play and sound great live as well. I don’t think the Beatles were particularly strong live. Not bad, but not as good as in the studio.[/quote]

This is true and I have no argument here. But cut them some slack, you know how hard it is to play for screaming teenage girls :D?

Oh yeah-

The Stooges
-The Stooges
-Fun House
-Raw Power

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

Blur - Leisure, Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape [/quote]

Good call, although Liesure was well rounded enough IMO. Maybe replace it with (the self-titled) “Blur”?

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

The same can be said for Led Zeppelin too. Now I enjoy their music a lot, but there’s not a lot that’s special about playing a guitar with a violin stick thingy. But if you’d read what some people say…

[/quote]

Zeppelin had very little media coverage. The biggest rock magazine, Rolling Stone, all but ignored Zeppelin during the height of their popularity.

The violin “schtick” is not overly special, but it was Page that made it popular. He wasn’t the first to do it, but is always associated with it. Well, that and the theramin.

Besides, the aforementioned only scratches the surface. Zeppelin was in a class of their own in musical arrangement, diversity in music, songwriting and musicianship.

Kidz Bop 7, 8, and 9

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

“She Loves You” is the perfect example of this, the way the lyrics fit the sound of the song <-dunno if this makes much sense but I can explain it in detail if needed, but “She Loves You” isn’t just a great song, it genius as far as pop music lyrics go.

[/quote]

Good point. This song is unique for the reasons you say, but also because lyrically it is a little different. You know, telling the guy in the song that he should be glad for the love he has with this girl. He’s a lucky guy, etc. May not seem like much, but it’s a little different lyric theme than what we normally get.

As slayer will already be listed,

Iron Maiden
1982 The Number of the Beast
1983 Piece of Mind
1984 Powerslave

Manowar
1982 Battle Hymns
1983 Into Glory Ride
1984 Hail to England

Notice something?

Another three consecutive heavy metal epic strikes
Edge of Sanity
1993 the spectral sorrows
1994 the purgatory afterglow
1996 crimson

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Oh yeah-

The Stooges
-The Stooges
-Fun House
-Raw Power

Cockney Blue wrote:

Blur - Leisure, Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape

Good call, although Liesure was well rounded enough IMO. Maybe replace it with (the self-titled) “Blur”? [/quote]

I love the leisure album, partly because it was the debut but I know that Damon hates it these days and it inspired Coldplay to get together which is a crime punishable with death so maybe I go with your idea of scrub Leisure and put the eponymous album in

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Oh yeah-

The Stooges
-The Stooges
-Fun House
-Raw Power

Cockney Blue wrote:

Blur - Leisure, Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape

Good call, although Liesure was well rounded enough IMO. Maybe replace it with (the self-titled) “Blur”?

I love the leisure album, partly because it was the debut but I know that Damon hates it these days and it inspired Coldplay to get together which is a crime punishable with death so maybe I go with your idea of scrub Leisure and put the eponymous album in[/quote]

haha, great :D.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:

The same can be said for Led Zeppelin too. Now I enjoy their music a lot, but there’s not a lot that’s special about playing a guitar with a violin stick thingy. But if you’d read what some people say…

Zeppelin had very little media coverage. The biggest rock magazine, Rolling Stone, all but ignored Zeppelin during the height of their popularity.

The violin “schtick” is not overly special, but it was Page that made it popular. He wasn’t the first to do it, but is always associated with it. Well, that and the theramin.

Besides, the aforementioned only scratches the surface. Zeppelin was in a class of their own in musical arrangement, diversity in music, songwriting and musicianship.

[/quote]

Well I was mainly referring to Rock Canon, since you mentioned how the Beatles are portrayed as practically the only rock band of importance. I agree that this happens, but usually as part of rock canon, and with a band as famous as Led Zeppelin, you get similar notions. Rock canon is always retrospective so while Zeppelin weren’t getting written about (or at least weren’t being written about in a complimentary fashion) when they were at their peak, they are canonized now. And towards the end of their career, Rolling Stone was dying to have them on, and wasn’t being nearly as rude as they were at the start.

As for contemporary coverage (since it was brought up), Led Zeppelin didn’t have the publicity that the Beatles had, but they had different publicity that worked better for their generation anyway. By the time Led Zeppelin hit the scene rock had it’s very own forms of publicity outside the mainstream publicity mold. Album-oriented rock radio would probably be the strongest example. It’s rise was very advantageous for album-oriented bands like Led Zeppelin, as well as the Progressive Rock movement. Single oriented artists (of which many of the big early to mid 60s rock bands were) would not have been as successful under this environment. Not to mention live performances became far more important in the late 60s and 70s and became an art in itself during that period, which factors into the success of a lot of progressive rock bands, and the whole stadium rock thing. I know you said that live performances matter, but for the sake of talking publicity I’ll mention how this helped, cause stories of one hour drum solos help with that and all :). The publicity was there, it’s just that Ed Sullivan and regular news got replaced with AOR radio and other more “rock-specific” forms of publicity.

I agree that Led Zeppelin were great musicians and great artists overall. I think they had a hell of a sound, and while I may not like my artists to be virtuosos, Led Zeppelin did it as a part of an overall aesthetic like Hendrix and Cream before them (and unlike most Progressive Rock, which was musicianship with no aesthetic coherence IMO), and so it’s fine by me. I was just using the violin shtick as an example since people talk like it was genius and a good example of Zeppelin’s greatness, when really it was just a fun little thing.

Good discussion btw.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:

“She Loves You” is the perfect example of this, the way the lyrics fit the sound of the song <-dunno if this makes much sense but I can explain it in detail if needed, but “She Loves You” isn’t just a great song, it genius as far as pop music lyrics go.

Good point. This song is unique for the reasons you say, but also because lyrically it is a little different. You know, telling the guy in the song that he should be glad for the love he has with this girl. He’s a lucky guy, etc. May not seem like much, but it’s a little different lyric theme than what we normally get.[/quote]

Exactly, the lyrics practically nag the the subject how he should be more grateful for the love (unique in itself),and it’s sung in such a nagging, “do what’s right” tone. And then the chorus hits and it’s “she loves you-yeah yeah yeah” as if the “yeahs” are the subject responding in a frustrated manner, like he knows what to do but still isn’t up to doing the right thing. Until the very end where the “yeahs” make it sound like he’s coming around to the right choice.

It’s so simple yet so clever. A perfect pop song IMO.

The whole death’s discography.

Amerikkka’s Most Wanted
Death Certificate
Predator

Ice Cube FTW!

Here’s a trio of great albums by an artist/band that seems to be all but forgotten, and quite an great example of how a drug like meth can steal from us an artist of genuine talent:

Days of the New:

  • (orange album)
  • (green album)
  • (red album)

IMO the ‘green’ album is a pretty stunning ‘concept album’, if you will – great songwriting, guitar playing and overall orchestration.

i think what you all meant was any three in a row from clutch
/thread

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Dustin wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:

The same can be said for Led Zeppelin too. Now I enjoy their music a lot, but there’s not a lot that’s special about playing a guitar with a violin stick thingy. But if you’d read what some people say…

Zeppelin had very little media coverage. The biggest rock magazine, Rolling Stone, all but ignored Zeppelin during the height of their popularity.

The violin “schtick” is not overly special, but it was Page that made it popular. He wasn’t the first to do it, but is always associated with it. Well, that and the theramin.

Besides, the aforementioned only scratches the surface. Zeppelin was in a class of their own in musical arrangement, diversity in music, songwriting and musicianship.

Well I was mainly referring to Rock Canon, since you mentioned how the Beatles are portrayed as practically the only rock band of importance. I agree that this happens, but usually as part of rock canon, and with a band as famous as Led Zeppelin, you get similar notions. Rock canon is always retrospective so while Zeppelin weren’t getting written about (or at least weren’t being written about in a complimentary fashion) when they were at their peak, they are canonized now. And towards the end of their career, Rolling Stone was dying to have them on, and wasn’t being nearly as rude as they were at the start.

As for contemporary coverage (since it was brought up), Led Zeppelin didn’t have the publicity that the Beatles had, but they had different publicity that worked better for their generation anyway. By the time Led Zeppelin hit the scene rock had it’s very own forms of publicity outside the mainstream publicity mold. Album-oriented rock radio would probably be the strongest example. It’s rise was very advantageous for album-oriented bands like Led Zeppelin, as well as the Progressive Rock movement. Single oriented artists (of which many of the big early to mid 60s rock bands were) would not have been as successful under this environment. Not to mention live performances became far more important in the late 60s and 70s and became an art in itself during that period, which factors into the success of a lot of progressive rock bands, and the whole stadium rock thing. I know you said that live performances matter, but for the sake of talking publicity I’ll mention how this helped, cause stories of one hour drum solos help with that and all :). The publicity was there, it’s just that Ed Sullivan and regular news got replaced with AOR radio and other more “rock-specific” forms of publicity.

I agree that Led Zeppelin were great musicians and great artists overall. I think they had a hell of a sound, and while I may not like my artists to be virtuosos, Led Zeppelin did it as a part of an overall aesthetic like Hendrix and Cream before them (and unlike most Progressive Rock, which was musicianship with no aesthetic coherence IMO), and so it’s fine by me. I was just using the violin shtick as an example since people talk like it was genius and a good example of Zeppelin’s greatness, when really it was just a fun little thing.

Good discussion btw.[/quote]

Indeed!

A couple of my favorite Zeppelin tunes for you.

…and

The Beatles

  • Revolver
  • Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
  • The White Album

Bob Dylan

  • Blonde on Blonde
  • John Wesley Harding
  • Nashville Skyline

Brian Eno

  • Here Come the Warm Jets
  • Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)
  • Another Green World

Bruce Springsteen

  • Born to Run
  • Darkness On the Edge of Town
  • The River
  • Nebraska

David Bowie

  • Hunky Dory
  • Ziggy Stardust
  • Aladdin Sane

I just realized there are a TON of possibilities here… I only made it to D on my iTunes…