Gratuitous Use of the N Word?

TheBodyGuard · January 6, 2011, 2:09am

IH that negus clip was fucking hilarious.

“Yo, what’s up negus…can I get next?” says the white boy. <basketball drops, bounces and rolls away, 10 black men stop in their tracks, staring at the white interloper>. “What the fuck you say white boy? Nigga what? Nigga who?”, retorts a bare chested black glistening under the hot sun in his sweat. “I didn’t call you guys niggas, I called you negus - you guys are kings, kings of the court like Michael Jordan. N…E…G…” <just as the niggas give chase, and our young white interloper runs runs for his life> U!!! S!!! NEEEEGGGGUSSSSSSS!!!

heavythrower · January 6, 2011, 2:20am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Actually, being white and male and hetero means I’ll have it tougher than any of you. You wanna know what my disadvantage is? Having no disadvantages. Try getting into college or a job that only cares about minority numbers. Shit I wish I was a minority, or at LEAST that my parents were poor…then I could whine and have everything handed to me, too. Oh and X, don’t make assumptions. I’m the only white dude within about a 20 mile radius of where I live.[/quote]

Now you most be bullshitting with this right?

The only thing I agree with you about is that it was fuckin annoying getting referred to as “white boy” on the basketball court when I played in a black neighborhood. Doing the reverse would definitely be seen as racist. But everything you wrote above is based on bullshit.[/quote]

I would and did reply “black boy”. And if we gotta fight, we just gotta fight. [/quote]

truth.

My mother is hispanic, my father white. I am proud of both heritages. Some people can tell I am “mixed” with something… but because of my last name most assume I am white.

point is, if you call a black guy (unless he is some self loathing total pussy) the N-word, he is likely to punch you in the face.

(and I am not afraid of actually typing out the real thing, but a long time ago I did and one of the mods edited it out and sent me a PM telling me to be careful or I would get banned)

If white people are really tired of being called “white-boys” by people of color, stand up and do something about it and stop bitching.

if a black guy got in my face and called me a white-boy, we will be fighting, period.

TheBodyGuard · January 6, 2011, 2:25am

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Actually, being white and male and hetero means I’ll have it tougher than any of you. You wanna know what my disadvantage is? Having no disadvantages. Try getting into college or a job that only cares about minority numbers. Shit I wish I was a minority, or at LEAST that my parents were poor…then I could whine and have everything handed to me, too. Oh and X, don’t make assumptions. I’m the only white dude within about a 20 mile radius of where I live.[/quote]

Now you most be bullshitting with this right?

The only thing I agree with you about is that it was fuckin annoying getting referred to as “white boy” on the basketball court when I played in a black neighborhood. Doing the reverse would definitely be seen as racist. But everything you wrote above is based on bullshit.[/quote]

I would and did reply “black boy”. And if we gotta fight, we just gotta fight. [/quote]

truth.

My mother is hispanic, my father white. I am proud of both heritages. Some people can tell I am “mixed” with something… but because of my last name most assume I am white.

point is, if you call a black guy (unless he is some self loathing total pussy) the N-word, he is likely to punch you in the face.

(and I am not afraid of actually typing out the real thing, but a long time ago I did and one of the mods edited it out and sent me a PM telling me to be careful or I would get banned)

If white people are really tired of being called “white-boys” by people of color, stand up and do something about it and stop bitching.

if a black guy got in my face and called me a white-boy, we will be fighting, period. [/quote]

My nigga. Now that’s what the fuck I’m talking about. We can have a beer anyday.

Gettnitdone · January 6, 2011, 2:39am

[quote]Alffi wrote:
yayayayayaya [/quote]

Dude what’s your point. You’re in this thread ranting away, trying to show off your perceived intellectualism but you’re getting no where. You need to shut the fuck up with the American History X bullshit.

The N-Word is in America’s cultural lexicon. It’s there because of slavery. It happened, it was awful. Society is slowly purging racism - Affirmative action and the like and mainly symbolic to emphasize equality. The fact that some white people feel threatened is ludicrous. Until you show us your own personal experience or show any documented evidence that you’re the subject of reverse prejudice by the establishment stfu.

heavythrower · January 6, 2011, 3:36am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Actually, being white and male and hetero means I’ll have it tougher than any of you. You wanna know what my disadvantage is? Having no disadvantages. Try getting into college or a job that only cares about minority numbers. Shit I wish I was a minority, or at LEAST that my parents were poor…then I could whine and have everything handed to me, too. Oh and X, don’t make assumptions. I’m the only white dude within about a 20 mile radius of where I live.[/quote]

Now you most be bullshitting with this right?

The only thing I agree with you about is that it was fuckin annoying getting referred to as “white boy” on the basketball court when I played in a black neighborhood. Doing the reverse would definitely be seen as racist. But everything you wrote above is based on bullshit.[/quote]

I would and did reply “black boy”. And if we gotta fight, we just gotta fight. [/quote]

truth.

My mother is hispanic, my father white. I am proud of both heritages. Some people can tell I am “mixed” with something… but because of my last name most assume I am white.

point is, if you call a black guy (unless he is some self loathing total pussy) the N-word, he is likely to punch you in the face.

(and I am not afraid of actually typing out the real thing, but a long time ago I did and one of the mods edited it out and sent me a PM telling me to be careful or I would get banned)

If white people are really tired of being called “white-boys” by people of color, stand up and do something about it and stop bitching.

if a black guy got in my face and called me a white-boy, we will be fighting, period. [/quote]

My nigga. Now that’s what the fuck I’m talking about. We can have a beer anyday. [/quote]

you buy the beer, I will buy the steak. anytime you venture to northern cali PM me.

TheBodyGuard · January 6, 2011, 3:41am

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

My nigga. Now that’s what the fuck I’m talking about. We can have a beer anyday. [/quote]

you buy the beer, I will buy the steak. anytime you venture to northern cali PM me. [/quote]

Just as soon as I’m done jerking off to your AVI. And just in case you change it to your image or something masculine in the future, and someone looks at this thread and my post LOL, let me state clearly that your AVI depicts one fine piece of booty-a-jiggling.

tom63 · January 6, 2011, 4:08am

How about it’s just not polite to say such things and even used with the same race in mind it would be considered rude. Just like bitch, asshole, pussy, fuck, douchebag etc. would be in polite conversation.

heavythrower · January 6, 2011, 4:10am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

My nigga. Now that’s what the fuck I’m talking about. We can have a beer anyday. [/quote]

you buy the beer, I will buy the steak. anytime you venture to northern cali PM me. [/quote]

Just as soon as I’m done jerking off to your AVI. And just in case you change it to your image or something masculine in the future, and someone looks at this thread and my post LOL, let me state clearly that your AVI depicts one fine piece of booty-a-jiggling. [/quote]

lol…

Jimmy6 · January 6, 2011, 4:47am

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote: A bunch of nonsense
[/quote]

Stop posting.[/quote]

Never! For every post you make, I’m now going to post three times. This way if I offend anyone else they’ll have you to blame.[/quote]

No. we’ll blame you for being purposefully difficult and annoying.[/quote]

Difficult and annoying? Possibly. Purposely? No. I believe every word I wrote.

It IS annoying when someone speaks harsh truths.

Also, it was a joke.[/quote]

That cop-out made no sense whatsoever. Four conflicting viewpoints in one post? Forget the double standard, you’ve just become the proud father of the quadruple standard. [/quote]

Um…what?

orion · January 6, 2011, 7:30am

[quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

My nigga. Now that’s what the fuck I’m talking about. We can have a beer anyday. [/quote]

you buy the beer, I will buy the steak. anytime you venture to northern cali PM me. [/quote]

Just as soon as I’m done jerking off to your AVI. And just in case you change it to your image or something masculine in the future, and someone looks at this thread and my post LOL, let me state clearly that your AVI depicts one fine piece of booty-a-jiggling. [/quote]

That is a blatant lie.

It is a sweaty buff dude, slowly licking his mustache!

Jimmy6 · January 6, 2011, 9:42am

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
yayayayayaya [/quote]

Dude what’s your point. You’re in this thread ranting away, trying to show off your perceived intellectualism but you’re getting no where. You need to shut the fuck up with the American History X bullshit.

The N-Word is in America’s cultural lexicon. It’s there because of slavery. It happened, it was awful. Society is slowly purging racism - Affirmative action and the like and mainly symbolic to emphasize equality. The fact that some white people feel threatened is ludicrous. Until you show us your own personal experience or show any documented evidence that you’re the subject of reverse prejudice by the establishment stfu. [/quote]

I got fired from a job for not being black once, does that count?

WP1 · January 6, 2011, 2:05pm

[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
Spades will be spades. Blacks should not try to run away from what they are. They are always speaking languages created by the white man, but shun from some of the words.

Many languages carry an equivalent of the N-word, which is similar to its latin ancestor. Those languages have been chastised into abandoning it as well.

Getting all uppity about being called a spade (while going around being a spade) just adds to the suspicion and lends further evidence for the common understanding that certain groups are impulsive and violent. I don’t give a hell what someone who is not my kind thinks of me. He can call me any name he wants, as long as he leaves me alone. Call me various synonyms of ‘white’ until you’re out of breathe and it makes no difference, because I’m happy to be. Could it be that some have an inferiority complex about what they are and thus they get angry when they are reminded of it?

Damn. In their natural inhabitat these people (where they would have stayed forever because they never invented anything like ships, not to mention aircrafts) are fighting for their lives, even resolting to snorting human feces from a bottle to get high and forget about their misery. They are happy to get some rationed food and a shelter to sleep. Over here, their brothers are willing to bust caps (protected by the white PC police, and with the guns invented by whites) for having their name mentioned.
Mixing alien species’ just does not mix.
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WP likes this post.[/quote]

I dont.

You cannot mix species by definition.

[/quote]

That isn’t the problem with the post. Amongst the blatant ignorance and historical accuracies, it’s safe to assume the poster is an idiot via his basic lack of biology knowledge. By definition, a species is a group of organisms that can reproduce and create fertile offspring. To suggest that “spades” (as he calls them) cannot have kids with Caucasians essentially denies the existence of all those mixed race kids we have running about these days.

It’s cute. You simply cannot take people like him seriously, the frustrated white guy taking a deliberately controversial stance as an act of rebellion - a spectacle only ever really seen on the internet.[/quote]
I own a lot of books on evolution and biology, including many books by Darwin. One softcover copy of “The Origin of Species” and a hardcover as well.

The definition of species has evoked debate because a lot of scientists have come up with different and conflicting definitions. Being able to breed and produce viable offpsring is just one of them. [/quote]

White guy - check
Angry, most likely due to frustration - check
Hatred towards blacks - check
Pseudo-intellectual, bases intelligence from amount of books he owns, irrespective of the fact that two of the books contain exactly the same text - check
Thinks the boat is a unique, white invention - check
Thinks the discoveries and conclusions from the Galapagos islands somehow relate to using the N word - check

Conclusion? You’re not to be taken seriously, lol.

DoubleDuce · January 6, 2011, 2:16pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
what are these differences you speak of? and how do you use them in the real world?[/quote]

The differences are obvious. How you choose to “use” them in the real world is individual choice and conditioning. [/quote]

humor me.

and how do you choose to apply them?[/quote]

Why don’t you state your case? Instead of asking me to lay the ground work for your retort? Are you strictly a counter-puncher? Do you have any original thoughts on these matters other than those which would be a retort to another’s opinion?[/quote]

Copied from previously:
"The problem I have with this whole “context” thing is that color of your skin shouldn’t be part of context. If it’s part of context in your opinion, you’re a racist. Period.

People assume far far to much based on skin color. Being white doesn’t make it inherently easier. It doesn’t mean you’ve never been systematically discriminated against. It literally doesn’t mean anything. The same way being black doesn’t.

You don’t know anyone’s life story based on color. A black guy could have grown up the son of a rich politician in Africa on a 1000 acre estate in a country of 99.9% blacks. A white guy could grow up son to a poor white farmer in Mexico and been discriminated against for being white every day of his life.

The experiences of life both within this country and in this world are simply too diverse to make any assumptions about anyone based on skin color. Color simply shouldn’t be a part of any evaluation."

You said that this didn’t work in the “real world” because there were “obvious differences”. I’m simply asking what exactly these obvious differences were. You claimed these differences invalidate my view, so what are they? I’m the one that laid out the foundational argument we’ve been talking about. If anyone is lacking in original thoughts it ain’t me.

My case is I don’t see these difference that supposedly invalidate my post. So please, point some out for me.

Iron_Dwarf · January 6, 2011, 2:54pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The problem I have with this whole “context” thing is that color of your skin shouldn’t be part of context. If it’s part of context in your opinion, you’re a racist. Period.

People assume far far to much based on skin color. Being white doesn’t make it inherently easier. It doesn’t mean you’ve never been systematically discriminated against. It literally doesn’t mean anything. The same way being black doesn’t.

You don’t know anyone’s life story based on color. A black guy could have grown up the son of a rich politician in Africa on a 1000 acre estate in a country of 99.9% blacks. A white guy could grow up son to a poor white farmer in Mexico and been discriminated against for being white every day of his life.

The experiences of life both within this country and in this world are simply too diverse to make any assumptions about anyone based on skin color. Color simply shouldn’t be a part of any evaluation.[/quote]

Haha. You just proved that context is everything.

TheBodyGuard · January 6, 2011, 5:23pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
what are these differences you speak of? and how do you use them in the real world?[/quote]

The differences are obvious. How you choose to “use” them in the real world is individual choice and conditioning. [/quote]

humor me.

and how do you choose to apply them?[/quote]

Why don’t you state your case? Instead of asking me to lay the ground work for your retort? Are you strictly a counter-puncher? Do you have any original thoughts on these matters other than those which would be a retort to another’s opinion?[/quote]

Copied from previously:
"The problem I have with this whole “context” thing is that color of your skin shouldn’t be part of context. If it’s part of context in your opinion, you’re a racist. Period.

People assume far far to much based on skin color. Being white doesn’t make it inherently easier. It doesn’t mean you’ve never been systematically discriminated against. It literally doesn’t mean anything. The same way being black doesn’t.

You don’t know anyone’s life story based on color. A black guy could have grown up the son of a rich politician in Africa on a 1000 acre estate in a country of 99.9% blacks. A white guy could grow up son to a poor white farmer in Mexico and been discriminated against for being white every day of his life.

The experiences of life both within this country and in this world are simply too diverse to make any assumptions about anyone based on skin color. Color simply shouldn’t be a part of any evaluation."

You said that this didn’t work in the “real world” because there were “obvious differences”. I’m simply asking what exactly these obvious differences were. You claimed these differences invalidate my view, so what are they? I’m the one that laid out the foundational argument we’ve been talking about. If anyone is lacking in original thoughts it ain’t me.

My case is I don’t see these difference that supposedly invalidate my post. So please, point some out for me.[/quote]

I’m not sure I want to engage you. I think it will be pointless.

Acting as if the color of your skin does not matter, or is never part of the “context” is a utopian view of the world that just isn’t based in reality. Your claim seems to be that if one even acknowledges or is cognizant of skin color, they are acting from a racist perspective. If that’s the case, then we are all racists under your definition and if so, biology has made “racism” (under your definition) unavoidable.

The term “racism” is generally defined as follows:

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

So, from the start, we disagree on terminology. Just because I recognize someone as black, and that they may be sensitive to a word, an action or, that I am sensitive to a cultural difference or sensitivity, does not make me racists…it would make me “aware”. If I choose not to use the word “nigga” or “nigger” in a room full of black people, my choice NOT to use it does not stem from any of the above criteria. If I DO choose to use it, it very well could stem from any of the above criteria, but then again, as we have discussed exhaustively, it may not.

Next, this thread is not about “making assumptions based on skin color”. However, as I have stated earlier, unless you live in Camelot, the reality is that people do make assumptions based on skin color. And I will repeat, an assumption based on a lifetime of experiences, does not necessarily fit the criteria of definition provided above. We make countless assumptions each and every day based on our experiences. We make assumptions based on how people dress, their social circle, their education, where they live, the car they drive, the way they speak, their carriage, male or female, - the list is endless, and none of it necessarily has any root in “racism”. I judge white people every day based on their appearance and probably dozens of other conscious and unconscious social cues. Until we know someone, this is the only way we process information. Sounds like you don’t like such judgments or assumptions based on appearance, but that doesn’t make it “racism”. If so, I’ll repeat; we’re all racist under your definition of the word.

Your view is a Utopian view and not rooted in everyday reality. Should we make such judgments? That’s a different debate. A better debate might be that given our hard wiring, can we even AVOID making any such judgments. I’d say we cannot, and I’d even venture to say that in spite of your stated beliefs, that you are just as guilty as making assumptions based on appearance as the rest of the world. As long as our souls are contained in bodies, and those bodies are different, we will always be “judged” on some level, however brief, by our appearances. Such judgments may however be transient, until we get to know someone or we have a brief social exchange.

I say to you we do not process such social information in any other way.

So, I just stated clearly how ALL OF US make such daily judgments. How you choose to use such assumptions or judgments is highly individual, based on your own experiences and temperament. But I assure you, none of us fail to make such assumptions or judgments. And some of us may be more inclined to not heed those initial reactions, and some of us may be very dogmatic about the accuracy of those assumptions. Most of us fall in the middle, like most bell curves. Turn the clock back 50 years, and I’m guessing there was an uneven bell curve distribution of such attitudes.

Your ideas are really not that clever, no offense. You’re really just stating we shouldn’t make assumptions based on someone’s color or appearance. Intellectually, we all know that. But it doesn’t mean that’s not how we’re hard wired. It doesn’t mean we can even avoid our hard wiring. But we can certainly control how we choose to apply this information and act upon it.

DoubleDuce · January 6, 2011, 3:47pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The problem I have with this whole “context” thing is that color of your skin shouldn’t be part of context. If it’s part of context in your opinion, you’re a racist. Period.

People assume far far to much based on skin color. Being white doesn’t make it inherently easier. It doesn’t mean you’ve never been systematically discriminated against. It literally doesn’t mean anything. The same way being black doesn’t.

You don’t know anyone’s life story based on color. A black guy could have grown up the son of a rich politician in Africa on a 1000 acre estate in a country of 99.9% blacks. A white guy could grow up son to a poor white farmer in Mexico and been discriminated against for being white every day of his life.

The experiences of life both within this country and in this world are simply too diverse to make any assumptions about anyone based on skin color. Color simply shouldn’t be a part of any evaluation.[/quote]

Haha. You just proved that context is everything.
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Context is everything, but skin color isn’t context.

SlothGuy · January 6, 2011, 4:01pm

Anyone agree?

TheBodyGuard · January 6, 2011, 4:16pm

A real life example for Double Duece.

You’re from TN. I’ve been there, often. If you’re from the hills or country outside of Memphis or the other two big cities, and you encounter a black man, whether you realize it or not, you have probably assumed he does not live a few miles down the road on that farm.

If you assumed he was from somewhere closer to Memphis, if not in the City of Memphis, you would probably be correct more than 80% of the time. Now, we just made an assumption based on skin color. It does not have to be correct. We use this social radar consciously and unconsciously.

You do not know where this man is from, but you cannot avoid your idea of where he may be from BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE LIVING IN TN. He may have just moved a mile down the road in your predominantly white, country community. Or your assumption may have been correct.

The above scenario (and I can think of countless others all day long) is not an expression of “racism”. It is an expression of experiences.

And expression of racism would be encountering a black person you are interviewing, and making assumptions and conclusions about that person’s qualifications based solely on their skin color. Such an action might manifest itself in something subtle like failing to give the black candidate your full attention during the interview (going thru the motions), or not giving them the same time you gave white candidates. An overt expression would be making up your mind then and there that you would not be hiring the black candidate.

Another scenario reversed.

When black people from Camden NJ see white people in their neighborhood, their immediate assumption is that those white people are there to buy drugs. And the police make the same assumptions. Why? Because such an assumption would be correct in over 90% of the cases. Does that make them racist? Or does that mean they just made an early judgment based on EXPERIENCE? Can that “judgment” or “assumption” change?

Yes, it can - right after a brief social encounter, during which we continue to judge and evaluate someone we don’t know. Is it racism? Absolutely not. Now, if you were to be adamant that that white person is there to buy drugs in spite of evidence to the contrary, or without additional information, that would probably be racism.

I suggest you get real comfortable with such judgments on appearance and color. They exist. And I do not see it ever going away. And I do not believe it is “racism”.

Professor_X · January 6, 2011, 4:56pm