[quote]jm85 wrote:
I’m not sure how true this is, but I heard the new trend was pumping beef with CarbonDioxide (may be another gas) so the meat always has that nice red color. So no matter how long the beef has been on the store shelf it will always has that nice red color.[/quote]
yeah what’s with the red is that iron ?
some beef is darker and not so bright red. isn’t that where the term “black and blue” comes from ?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Avoids Roids was doing a good job of disagreeing with me without putting words in my mouth, or making outrageous parallels to the eating of dead babies.
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I’d also like to know where I agreed with you? Besides the one or two areas we almost had an agreement. Ha! 
[quote]swivel wrote:
Dude you capriciously toss an abortion m-80 in here, twice, and seriously don’t understand how that fucks things up ?
sorry man but your histrionics made you jump the gun and miss the point of the discussion -which is the huge economic incentive to feed cattle things other than pure grass. and, even more important, the lack of enforcement and dis-incentive that large size, medium size, and all but the tiniest operations, who are merely scrambling for a market-niche, have to actually care about wether you’re getting what’s advertised.
we aren’t talking philosophically here. we’re talking about the historical realities of an entrenched supply chain to which rj has first hand insight. [/quote]
You are claiming that I wasn’t talking about the economics of the situation? All I’ve been talking about is the economics of the situation! I, perhaps more than anyone in this thread, have talked about the fact that economics gives rise to the demand for grain-fed, feedlot beef! Your post makes no sense.
Apparently my analogy was too sophisticated for you and Rainjack. My point is that he still has not explained why it should matter that the offal is in powdered form. He made a foolish claim and I caught him in it and he has not responded since.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Avoids Roids was doing a good job of disagreeing with me without putting words in my mouth, or making outrageous parallels to the eating of dead babies.
The problem with you is that you are totally ignorant of the subject matter. Maybe I am a bit of a snob - but if you don’t know what you are even talking about - how can a healthy debate ensue?
It’s not rocket science - but you do have to do a little bit of leg work. At the very least, you need to do more than you have.
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You accuse me of make claims about eating dead babies and accuse ME of putting words in YOUR mouth? You’re pathetic. I never said anything about eating dead children; that is absurd and disgusting. It was an analogy and don’t pretend that you didn’t understand what I was saying. Allow me to say that you’ve acted very, very childish in this thread.
I never claimed to have as much knowledge as you; I do not. You clearly have much knowledge of this subject matter. But I think that your in ability to respond to my comments without engaging in a personal attack speaks volumes about your maturity level.
It is no longer debating these subjects with you; not because you and I disagree, but because you seem incapable of avoiding personal attacks. Keep giving people a reason to resent Texas; I may know that Texas is not full of retards, but others may not be so sure and you are a poor representative.
[quote]eic wrote:
You accuse me of make claims about eating dead babies and accuse ME of putting words in YOUR mouth? You’re pathetic. I never said anything about eating dead children; that is absurd and disgusting. It was an analogy and don’t pretend that you didn’t understand what I was saying. Allow me to say that you’ve acted very, very childish in this thread. [/quote]
You need to learn the difference betwen being absurd, and being utterly clueless of the subject matter. You equate feeding grains with feeding dead animals - not once, but twice in a single post.
You brought abortion into this. Pardon me if I have no tolerance for those that display the level of ignorance you do, and continue to think they have a valid point.
This coming from the guy that - void of any real substance - tries to validate his position by throwing the abortion card. I will tell you one thing - Mother cows eat the placenta right after giving birth.
I have no patience with people trying argue from a postition of total ignorance - and then having the balls to accuse me of being biased. Dude - you define biased with your baseless arguments.
It was never a debate with you - you don’t know enough about the subject matter to engage in debate. You prove this with every post in this thread.
And you are the one crying about personal attacks? LMAO!!! Are you the pot or the kettle?
If I gave a flying fuck what you and others thought about me, or my representation of Texas - maybe that would cause me to kiss your ass and let you think you know the slightest thing about this. But I don’t.
You evidently don’t have a clue about Texans either. We don’t give a shit what whiny little yankees like you think about us. Period.
So maybe try another insult - or better yet - take the advice I gave you earlier, and just quit posting in this thread.
[quote]eic wrote:
Apparently my analogy was too sophisticated for you and Rainjack. My point is that he still has not explained why it should matter that the offal is in powdered form. He made a foolish claim and I caught him in it and he has not responded since. [/quote]
Are you really this full of yourself that you think you caught me in something?
Dude - you don’t even know what I am fucking talking about. You have proved it over and again. I am just wasting my time with you.
I would like to know what is foolish about explaining to someone what form animal by-products come in.
You dion’t even understand what cotton seed meal is, or soybean meal for that matter. You posted that you believe that is dead animal parts.
Can you not see your stupidity?
here then is your point.
[quote]eic wrote:
My point is that he still has not explained why it should matter that the offal is in powdered form. [/quote]
watching you get there was like waiting for a headless chicken to quit running.
Trying to explain my position to you, Swivel and Rainjack, is like talking to a wall. I don’t even know where to begin to respond to your baseless attacks, so I won’t bother.
For the record, my position on the grass-fed beef thing is that I believe some farmers raise their cows on pasture and let the cows eat the grass in the pasture. I believe that these cows eat primarily grass as the staple in their diet and need little if any supplementary feed. I believe that this is in contrast to cattle that are raised on feedlots.
Rainjack, I’ve conceded numerous times that you know more than I about the nuts and bolts of what cows need in their diet. Are you suggesting that cows need some form of supplementary protein to be health? If so, I don’t necessarily disagree.
I agree that cottonseed and soybeans may provide such a source of protein and that offal is another source. I never once said that they were the same thing. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if farmers of so-called grass-fed beef feed the cows cottonseed as a supplement to support their diet. I would, however, be surprised if the farmers fed the cows offal (animal flesh). That would be enough to make me hesitate to buy their product. I don’t care whether the animal flesh is in powder form or not; I think it is unnatural.
With regard to winter, I recognize that the cows need something like hay to eat when the pastures are barren. I have no problem with that.
Please tell me, then, what about the above I am so mistaken about? You keep suggesting that I know so little about this that I can’t even begin to intelligently debate you about it. If that is true, please identify exactly where I’ve gone wrong.
i’ve been buying a couple pounds a week of “100% grass fed” ground beef from the same store since i first saw it there in may or june. the burgers have been awesome. kuz’s moms chili too.
however, just in the last month the quality has changed dramatically. the meat is much paler, doesn’t eat as well, and doesn’t digest as well. it is a dramatic difference.
also i tend to stick my nose right in and smell everything i eat and the old stuff smelled like meat… really clean. this stuff however smells like FRITOS !
does this make any sense at all ?
are there certain seasons when beef harvest is better than others ?
if the store’s supply of grass fed has dried up and they are substituting this stuff, would i be able to SMELL the difference ?
anyone ?
rj ?
ok, so the whole labeling leaves a lot of loopholes.
what about grass-fed beef as it pertains to not being fed the stuff mentioned in Fast Food Nation (concrete dust, newspaper, shit, etc)?
I get free range allegedly grass fed beef from a slaughter house in a farming area of Virginia and it tastes much better than anything I get from the store.