Gov. Rick Perry

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

(By the way…I just read an article where Christie HATES (at least publicly!) being compared to Tony Soprano…!)

Mufasa[/quote]

HAHAHAHA Yeah I suppose so! Most decent law abiding folks from Jersey dislike the Sopranos…especially some Italianos who are very sensitive.

AND the Jersey Shore…

AND Housewives from New Jersey!

Split 50-50 on Sinatra.

Bon Jovi’s done some good.

Bruce is still BOSS!

(R.I.P. Clarence)[/quote]

First- everybody in this state watched and loved the Sopranos, especially those of us that are from the northeastern part and either know or are related to people that resembled all those characters.

Plus they were always filming around where I live, so that was fucking awesome.

Secondly - Christie is nearly un-electable on the national stage.

He’s too fat, he’s too blunt, I don’t think he loves the christian lord enough to get on the GOP ticket, and honestly, he’s not really well liked even in NJ.

I agree that he’s done some really good things, especially with striking at the heart of the NJEA and trying make public workers contribute more towards their pension payments and what not - that kind of thing was way overdue and it’s seriously going to help out a lot of municipalities and taxes around here.

However, it can be argued that all that it’s really done is make the fees for EVERYTHING else go up, because the state is going to get the money it needs no matter what.

Secondly, I don’t like his “Let’s privatize everything” ideas. Some shit it works for, other shit it won’t. He closed the DMVs and now people hate that there’s only like four open in the state, he wanted to privatize the state parks, which I’m HUGELY against… he’s not all good.

I don’t know that I would vote for him nationally. I’ve met him a couple times, he’s a great public speaker and he’s got a great sense of humor, but he may be too New Jersey for the right and not New Jersey enough for the left - which could leave a really small voting block for him.

He certainly is not a uniter, though. I like his blunt personality but alot, and I mean ALOT, of people would HATE it.

OK, you guys can go back to arguing about talking snakes and its affect on homosexuals or whatever you normally discuss down here amongst the dregs…

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
First- everybody in this state watched and loved the Sopranos, especially those of us that are from the northeastern part and either know or are related to people that resembled all those characters.

Plus they were always filming around where I live, so that was fucking awesome. [quote]

I suppose if you live where its filmed, people would be more into the Sopranos. But, honestly, I don’t know anyone who liked them and many disliked them. Probably for the reasons you stated…the characters resembled many Jersians and when viewed on screen…well it was a little too close to reality, in an uncomplimentary way. Jersey definitely has it’s share of ‘wanna look/act/pretend like I’m a gangster’ types. I always thought is was a little sad that they would INTENTIONALLY glorify the mob, but to each his own.

As for our fair Governor Christie goes, I agree, he is polarizing. We have good friends from Fort Lee who are teachers and absolutely hate the guy…and Bush and anyone from Texas, as well. Suffice it to say, we NEVER talk politics!

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

OK, you guys can go back to arguing about talking snakes and its affect on homosexuals or whatever you normally discuss down here amongst the dregs…[/quote]

Usually we talk about the Irish and how come that so many are coppers.

I come down on the side of Stockholm syndrome, but there is a lot to be said for the hypothesis that centuries of heavy drinking has weeded out more developed brains and favored the more sturdy ones.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

…So I side with smh23 on this one. While I see the value of “moral” teachings; I fail to believe that any of you would want a Nation that even if not completely so…it “leaned” toward a Theocracy of any kind…

Mufasa
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Your post is completely irrelevant. It simply doesn’t matter what you or smh or I for that matter think is how it ought to be today when discussing how it was 200 years ago. Historical fact cannot be changed today to reflect how we want things to be today.

Savvy?

So again for the umpteenth time, push for your vaunted secular state all you want but don’t revise the historical record so you can stand on it and thump your chest crowing how your ideology is pure as the wind driven snow because it reflects the Founder’s.

To do so disqualifies you from claiming honest, intelligent debate.
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At this point, Push, you’re right.

I have no idea what you’re arguing…because it’s certainly not the point I was trying to get accross.

Mufasa

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

You simply don’t know your history and I simply don’t have the ambition to revisit this subject and school you and your buds again.

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Not everything is as simple as you wish it to be. I said it that their positions were complex and ambiguous (as is to be expected in history). You and I can go back and forth quoting Jefferson and Adams…when I post, they will side with me, and when you post, they’ll side with you. That shouldn’t be too hard for you to understand.

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No, you can’t go back and forth with quotes supporting your position. They aint there for you to use. They don’t exist. You would be utterly vanquished in a war of quotes over whether the Founders intended “their baby” to be a Christian nation or a heavily influenced by Christianity nation.

All you need do to put me in my place is to use primary sources, that is the words of the Fathers themselves, to squash my “simpleton’s Disney Land version of history.” Go get 'em, tiger, go get 'em. I’ll wait. Patiently.
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I will do so when I have time, probably won’t be until Sunday.

Makes sense to me:

Judge tosses groups attempt to stop Christian prayer rally sponsored by Texas Gov. Rick Perry

By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, July 28, 5:53 PM

HOUSTON . A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit that sought to stop Gov. Rick Perry from sponsoring a national day of Christian prayer and fasting, ruling Thursday that the group of atheists and agnostics did not have legal standing to sue.

U.S. District Judge Gray H. Miller said the Freedom From Religion Foundation argued against Perrys involvement based merely on feelings of exclusion, but did not show sufficient harm to merit the injunction they sought.

The governor has done nothing more than invite others who are willing to do so to pray, Miller said.

Rich Bolton, who argued for the group, said he was considering an appeal.

I wonder if we had a Muslim governor what would happen if the whole state was called to a Muslim prayer, said Kay Staley, one of five Texas residents named as plaintiffs in the suit. I think the governor needs to keep his religion out of his official duties.

Staley said she would be at the prayer rally to protest.

The Freedom from Religion Foundation argued in the lawsuit that Perrys involvement in the day of prayer and fasting would violate the First Amendments establishment clause. The event, which is called The Response, is scheduled for Aug. 6 at Houstons Reliant Stadium.

A day earlier, Perry defended the event, comparing it to President Barack Obamas participation in the National Day of Prayer.

My prayer is that the courts will find that the first amendment is still applicable to the governor no matter what they might be doing and that what we have done in the state of Texas or what we have done in the governors office is appropriate, he said. Its no different than what George Washington or Abraham Linlcoln or President Truman or President Obama have done.

Perry, an evangelical Christian, said he didnt yet know what his role in the rally would be.

I will be there. I may be ushering for all I know. I havent gotten my marching orders, he said. Its not about me and its not about the people on the stage either, this is truly about coming together as a state lifting up this nation in prayer, having a day of prayer and fasting. Thats all it is.

The group, which unsuccessfully sued to stop Obamas National Day of Prayer earlier this year, filed the case on behalf of 700 members in Texas and called on the court to stop Perry from participating in the meeting or using his office to promote or recognize it.

Perry invited the Obama administration, the nations governors and Texas lawmakers to attend the event. The Republican governor is moving closer to jumping in the race for the White House.

The event is being sponsored by several evangelical Christian groups, including the American Family Association, which has been criticized by civil rights groups for promoting anti-homosexual and anti-Islamic positions on the roughly 200 radio stations it operates.

The foundation said it does not oppose politicians taking part in religious services, but that Perry crossed a line by initiating the event, using his position as governor to endorse and promote it and by using his official website to link to the organizers website. The plaintiffs also contend that Perrys use of Texas official state seal to endorse the event and his plans to issue an official proclamation violate the Constitution.

An appellate court in April dismissed the groups previous lawsuit against the Obama administration over the National Day of Prayer, on which people of all faiths were invited to take part. Like Miller, the three-judge panel in that case ruled that the group could not prove that they had suffered any harm when the president issued a proclamation observing the day.

I don’t see how this prayer thing could be sued over. He’s not establishing a Christian church of Texas that requires participation under penalty of law or anything like that. No one is being penalized by the state for not participating or disagreeing with his religious stance. The case is ridiculous and it’s good that judge had enough sense to dismiss the case. It would be like if someone started an atheist club at a school then got sued for it by Christians b/c they felt butt-hurt by it. As far as whether or not it’s smart politically, time will tell.

From Evil Republican Thread:

HoustonGuy wrote:

Sweet Revenge wrote:

HoustonGuy wrote:
Yes and Texas is one of the most financially stable… Thanks W.! Perry is a fuckwad though.

Curious as to why you say Perry is a fuckwad. I’m starting to like the guy…in comparison to everyone else in the field anyway.

Well he is a charismatic fuckwad with excellent hair but he sucks ass.

Just research his actions as governer.

In a nutshell,

#1 Rick Perry is a “big government” politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a “track record” of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year…

â?¢ â??We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

â?¢ â??We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

â?¢ â??We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when “apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.”

http://endoftheamericandream.c

Now, some of these stats need explanation. Our education record and the number of minimum wage workers directly reflect Texas’ large population of illegal immigrants whose children are placed in classes at school based on age rather than aptitude, which ties in to his soft action on illegal immigration…

Basically he is a big spending sell out with his supporters interests in mind over his constituents. He talks a good game but he is a typical political asshole.

Believe it or not, Bush was a great governer. Perry is still riding the fruits of Bush’s legacy, our next governer will inherit Perry’s shit pile unfortunately.

Well, thanks for the detailed reply, but that really sucks! NOW, who am I going to support!? Seriously though, a few things that jump out at me before I go to work…and I am not trying to defend the guy…

  • When quoting money comparisons, inflation and population
    growth should be taken into consideration

  • The education and wages stats are abysmal. I thought Texas
    had a good public education. But like you said…the
    immigration problem factors into both those.

  • The Gardasil vaccine and Trans-Texas Corridor seem to be
    his biggest mistakes. What was he thinking?

  • Compared to the rest of the country…Texas is in pretty
    good shape.

I ordered his book ‘Fed Up’ just to see what the guy is about. Hasn’t been delivered yet.

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pushharder wrote:

koffea wrote:

HoustonGuy wrote:

pushharder wrote:

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#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year…

That’s all I needed to hear right there.

Yep. Frankly I’m shocked Texans keep him in the Governers Mansion. I think it must be all the carpet baggers following our oil and manufacturing jobs.

Please, and I do lean right, do NOT vote for this guy. He is a super ass in elephant clothing.

even when I was a dem voter I could not support Gore. That guy and his wife led the biggest censorship campaign of my life time. “Parental Advisory” anyone? I cannot fathom supporting someone who supported him in light of that!

I’d swear Gore and John Edwards are brothers from different mothers. I’ve never seen two, sleazier, more transparent, disingenuous political cocksuckers in all my days.

You got to add their triplet John “reporting for duty” Kerry into the mix he came into my store one day and I had to go scrub the slime from the walls for a week

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Sweet Revenge wrote:

HoustonGuy wrote:

Sweet Revenge wrote:

HoustonGuy wrote:
Yes and Texas is one of the most financially stable… Thanks W.! Perry is a fuckwad though.

Curious as to why you say Perry is a fuckwad. I’m starting to like the guy…in comparison to everyone else in the field anyway.

Well he is a charismatic fuckwad with excellent hair but he sucks ass.

Just research his actions as governer.

In a nutshell,

#1 Rick Perry is a “big government” politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a “track record” of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year…

�¢?�¢ �¢??We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

�¢?�¢ �¢??We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

�¢?�¢ �¢??We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when “apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.”

http://endoftheamericandream.c

Now, some of these stats need explanation. Our education record and the number of minimum wage workers directly reflect Texas’ large population of illegal immigrants whose children are placed in classes at school based on age rather than aptitude, which ties in to his soft action on illegal immigration…

Basically he is a big spending sell out with his supporters interests in mind over his constituents. He talks a good game but he is a typical political asshole.

Believe it or not, Bush was a great governer. Perry is still riding the fruits of Bush’s legacy, our next governer will inherit Perry’s shit pile unfortunately.

Well, thanks for the detailed reply, but that really sucks! NOW, who am I going to support!? Seriously though, a few things that jump out at me before I go to work…and I am not trying to defend the guy…

  • When quoting money comparisons, inflation and population
    growth should be taken into consideration

  • The education and wages stats are abysmal. I thought Texas
    had a good public education. But like you said…the
    immigration problem factors into both those.

  • The Gardasil vaccine and Trans-Texas Corridor seem to be
    his biggest mistakes. What was he thinking?

  • Compared to the rest of the country…Texas is in pretty
    good shape.

I ordered his book ‘Fed Up’ just to see what the guy is about. Hasn’t been delivered yet.

I googled Perry to quickly cut and paste a contrite reply and unfortunately pulled from a left wing site who doesn’t fully disclose the circumstances around the stats provided, typical propaganda. However, the talking points are valid, you may research details but I will answer your questions off the top of my head.

  1. Yes, this is true. Texas has one of the lowest costs of living of any state. I was surprised to read about this tidbit, and research to validate the numbers may be necessary. Our population is exploding. Redneck, cowboy, steer and queer jokes aside, we are the Energy Capitol of the world, fuck Saudi Arabia. They have the oil but Texas companies have the resources to drill it and they do at an exhorbitant price.

The oil industry attracts engineers, physicists, chemists and a multitude of other scientists plus the typical skilled labor you find in industrial settings. We are a “brain drain” and attract the best and brightest from all over the world, plus our own home grown folks. UT, A&M, Rice, TCU, Texas Tech… all Tier One schools. Not only are many, many oilfield workers dispatched from Texas to rigs world wide, Houston especially and Texas in general is home to gaggles of Oil and other industry HQ’s. In fact Texas and California are tied for the most Fortune 500 company HQ’s in the US. This means we have the usual administrative staffs, IT depts., accountants et cetera too.

Our Medical industry is world renowned as well, specifically Houston. Doctors, Surgeons… My point is that our economy is grounded on oil and the petro-dollar as well as health care. We are not going any where but up any time soon.

Unfortunately, neither are our taxes thanks to Perry.

  1. If you seperated test scores and graduation rates by immigrants and natural born Texans, our education ranking would shoot way up. But we don’t. Immigrant children are placed in class based on age, not aptitude and many don’t care to catch up. They are content to drop out as soon as legally possible and join their uncles painting company to bring money in to the family. It is a real mentality that shadows our public school system. We do have excellent districts and students though, many of whom attend the aforementioned universities and then go on to fill the oil, medical and other roles.

Perry also cut spending by reducing education expenses by millions state wide. Teachers lost their jobs, class sizes more than doubled, resources are now in short supply… our education system is in for an actual blow at the rate it is going. It won’t be just the immigrants bringing our scores down.

3.Yes, the vaccine and corridor are ridiculous. Perry would be another NAFTA/Globalization president. He is selling Texas roads to Saudi Arabia. Lets not give him the rest of the US. It’s bad enough the cartels control our oil market (although not the production methods), lets not give them our infrastructure too.

  1. Yes, Texas is in pretty good shape. Bush, coupled with nearly bullet proof industries, put us here. Perry has a very looong rope to hang himself with in Texas. Put him in the Whitehouse during times like these and fall on your sword because the end is near, or at least highly accelerated.

You’re going to hell in a handbasket.

Rachel Maddow Outs MSMs Downplay of Rick Perry?s Extremist Supporters

http://www.politicususa.com/en/rachel-maddow-outs-msms-downplay-of-rick-perrys-extremist-supporters

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Zeb why do you argue with that ignorant fool? Quit wasting your time my friend. Also I can get you his address here in Dallas if you so wish? J/K forlife but I have figured out who are my friend.
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Wow, you are really creepy.