Got Myself a Pistol

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Utter bullshit.

If RICH people quit working just so they don’t have to pay taxes, that makes them WORSE than the poor people who simply can’t pay much in taxes because they don’t make much to begin with.

If they are poor - they get money they never paid. Stop acting like poor people pay a fucking thing. They don’t. And they will be even more richly rewarded for it in the future.

Ahh the joys of bubble upe economics…Reward those who don’t do shit.

Get the fuck out of here.

I know plenty of people who don’t make much money who bust their ass day in day out. Working 10 hour days and 10 or 11 bucks an hour. You’re telling me those people don’t do shit? That they’re lazy bums?

A hard days work used to be rewarded in this country from what I hear, but no more. Unless you’re a college grad who’s pulling in at least 80k+ a year, you’re a lazy bum who “don’t do shit”.

Sick.

Well, if the bust their ass, like you say, they won’t be poor long. However, if they continue to say at that level an never advance they are either illegal or dumb as mule shit.
Bubble up economics may benefit some who work hard, but primarily it gives hand outs to people who don’t do a fucking thing. The good news is that they’ll spend it, because if they knew how to save, they wouldn’t be poor.

Look, moron, not everyone can advance. You want to live in this world where every single person advances through the ranks, and every single person owns a business, and every single person can be a millionaire. NOT POSSIBLE. There’s 250 million adults in this country, there can only be so many CEOs, business owners, and management.

This is what’s so wrong with this. The majority of people are never going to be rich, never going to be wealthy, and yet that’s who keeps getting the breaks in this country. It’s insanity.[/quote]

Hey it’s a free country…If you want to be a loser and stay one, go right the fuck ahead. No skin off my balls.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Get a grip. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. No one ‘stops working’ because their taxes are raised. No work = no money. Work = money. Whether there’s low taxes, high taxes, or no taxes.

That doesn’t mean there will be no negative consequences like employee pay cuts, so the top brass can take home more at the end of the day. But even that line must be tread very carefully. Use some logic please.[/quote]

Spoken from the lips of someone who hasn’t a fucking clue about running a business.

I think that anyone who hasn’t owned a business, who hasn’t had to make a payroll, and who hasn’t had to decide whether or not they can afford to keep an employee because of a tightened economy or punitive tax policy should shut the fuck up about how it’s not going to hurt anyone.

Trust me scooter - a law degree does not make you a genius. You are a fucking employee. Don’t let a piece of paper go to your head.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
I haven’t owned a gun for the last 9 years because I didn’t want one in the house with the kids.

Saturday I’m going to buy two.[/quote]

Every gun owner needs one of these http://www.gunvault.com/

http://www.sportco.com/productcart/pc/viewContent.asp?idpage=28&gclid=CNrv0rnn4JYCFQJHxwodVXDeOw

Especially if you have kids in the house. One of the best buys I’ve made, you can open these things in total darkness.

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
gtdh wrote:
Benjamen Franklin… probably the one of the greatest American ever… one of the countries founding fathers_…he was a politician, engineer, scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, philosopher, publisher, journalist, philanthropist and medical practitioner…/

/?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.? ? Benjamin Franklin

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Uh, you do know this comment can be applied to any politician that claims tax cuts? Or one that is tied heavilyt into special interests. So to claim that this comment is applicable to only Obama or democratis is a fallacy.
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Which does not make it any less wrong to claim that a tax cut means “voting yourself money”. That is “keeping your own money”.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Get a grip. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. No one ‘stops working’ because their taxes are raised. No work = no money. Work = money. Whether there’s low taxes, high taxes, or no taxes.

That doesn’t mean there will be no negative consequences like employee pay cuts, so the top brass can take home more at the end of the day. But even that line must be tread very carefully. Use some logic please.

Spoken from the lips of someone who hasn’t a fucking clue about running a business.

I think that anyone who hasn’t owned a business, who hasn’t had to make a payroll, and who hasn’t had to decide whether or not they can afford to keep an employee because of a tightened economy or punitive tax policy should shut the fuck up about how it’s not going to hurt anyone.

Trust me scooter - a law degree does not make you a genius. You are a fucking employee. Don’t let a piece of paper go to your head.

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My Dad runs his own business and spearheads many employees. Probably more successfully than you do.

I think you misread my post anyhow. In fact, I’m quite sure you did. I very clearly said it COULD hurt people and ther may well be negative consequences. What it won’t do is cause rich people to sit home and choose not to work which is very clearly what the orginal poster said.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I love how taxing the rich is considered a ‘new concept’ in America. Apparently no one has heard of America 1950-1980?

And along about 1980 what kind of shape was the economy in?

Very bad shape, the final democratic administration of the late 70’s trashed the economy. Sky high interest rates, high unemployment…It was a mess until the Gipper came to town.[/quote]

That was in part Nixons fault because he left the gold standard and inflated the money supply to pay for the war.

Hence the stagflation that followed.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
My Dad runs his own business and spearheads many employees. Probably more successfully than you do.[/quote]

Then let your dad come on here and tell us about it. For fuck’s sake you want to be this really big, important, smart, new lwayer guy - and then when called out, try to crawl behind daddy’s accomplishments. Either be a man, or be a boy. Get off the fucking fence.

But since you think a parent’s business is relevant, then let’s talk about my dad’s business. He’s closing up shop at the first of the year because of Obama’s proposed ass fucking of small business.

[quote]I think you misread my post anyhow. In fact, I’m quite sure you did. I very clearly said it COULD hurt people and ther may well be negative consequences. What it won’t do is cause rich people to sit home and choose not to work which is very clearly what the orginal poster said.
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No - I am quite confident in my reading abilities, thank you.

Please define “rich people”. Regular guys are going to get ass fucked, and all you can do is look at the "rich people"and say, “meh - no biggie”.

Which is why I said that if you don’t have a business, you should not be contributing to the discussion. And no - daddy’s business doesn’t count.

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Someone who either owns a ton of euros, invested in gold juniors or has converted all his assets to precious metals.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Please define “rich people”.
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I love how taxing the rich is considered a ‘new concept’ in America. Apparently no one has heard of America 1950-1980?

And along about 1980 what kind of shape was the economy in?[/quote]

I know, I know! Really fucking bad. The current economy would look like a relief comparatively.

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[quote]theOUTLAW wrote:

Well, you’ve got to look at numbers. A small corporation with earnings of $360,000,000 would face a tax hike of $10,800,000 going from 36% to 39%. That expense has to be offset somewhere, and there’s a good chance it will come from payroll. The current unemployment levels will only compound.

As someone else has said, a small business will be more likely to suffer because of this, since there is less room to play around with finances.

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That small business would pay an additional $3,300 in taxes, not $10,800. They would pay the current rate up to $250k, and 39% for anything above that.