Consider Northern England. Fiercely patriotic and nationalistic, strong proponents of family values, opposed to immigration, but also rock solid supporters of the welfare state.
The Tories current success is tapping into that seriously under served group. To an extent, this is also why Trump won.
Okay. Seems Iāve won this debate, then. I took you from believing he was the LEAST(that means there were no less) conservative candidate to the MOST(which is a position past mine).
By the way: Since we were talking about the 2016 election, didnāt Trump claim he would eliminate the debt?
yes indeed
Ok so you made a claim and you arenāt going to try to explain it. I figured as much.
Take your actual political discussions to one of the million other threads. This one should be focused on the craziness of this case.
This is an interesting take. I hadnāt thought about this before, and your Tory example hits it pretty spot on for your side of the pond.
Huh? I only agreed with a small portion of your claim.
H_factor: There are 11 numbers between 1 and 10.
Nick: Please explain, although I believe there is at least one number between 1 and 10.
H_factor: now you need to explain your position because I donāt believe there are any numbers between 1 and 10.
I donāt disagree with any of this. But if weāre looking at a group of people running for President and one says you never have to default because you print your own money and the rest even talk about spending and debt mattering thatās checkmate right?
I mean we could say none of it matters because they are liars or whatever else but I would say when youāve taken those positions (and similar ones multiple times) that makes you the least fiscally conservative of the bunch.
Trump didnāt run as a conservative. A lot of his opponents did.
You didnāt explain it. Iām waiting for a thorough explanation. Please let me know why you think that about Trump and the 2016 primary. I changed my mind and think Trump was the most conservativ
It was something that struck me as I saw Wales and the North of England go blue, some of them for the first time in a century. The voters didnāt change too much, the Labour Party did.
Then Iām satisfied that I won the debate. Surely, what youāre doing doesnāt make sense to you. Are you drinking earlier in the day now?
It makes perfect sense. You made a claim and Iām asking for an explanation of how you arrived. I have no idea why you continue to dodge this. I have asked for a detailed explanation at how you arrived at this conclusion and you wonāt give it.
I probably drink about as often as you get out of your parents basement so no.
If youāre not going to explain yourself Iāll just have to wonder. Shucks I was really looking forward into you letting me know how you arrived there. I didnāt even know we were having a debate. You made a claim Iām asking for how you arrived. Nothing more nothing less.
Socially liberal, fiscally āconservativeā¦ā
Just say libertarian
Youāve never been a big libertarian fan.
Again, I would say it depends on your definition. Did he run as a Reagan conservative? Most definitely no.
Him being a dimwit on the national debt =/= not running as a conservative (at least by some definitions)
He was a tabula rasa candidate, in many respects, but some of his policies could definitely be deemed conservative policies.
Itās true though, right? Why isnāt a strictly fiscal conservative simply a Libertarian?
I actually did not. I disagreed with your description of my position.
You said there was at least one more conservative person. Show your work please and quit trying to get out of it. If you donāt want to donāt do it I donāt expect you to do that.
I donāt disagree at all. I think thatās the very definition of one at least at a basic sense.
At least in the US I would say fiscally thatās about the furthest possible position one could take from fiscal conservatism. We can do whatever we want spending wise is simply not a position fiscal conservatives as they are traditionally defined ever take.
I donāt even particularly care that he took that position. Merely Republicans who had preached conservatism said government healthcare is bad and that spending without thought is bad. That was 8 straight years of Obama. And then they run someone to the left of Obama on those issues. Which again is fine, but for one to pretend that Trump is actually a conservative? I just donāt see it.
I never said he was fiscally conservative. But itās thatās the definition we are using of conservative, heās not one.