Question:
I didn’t see this second debate.
For those who did; why do you think Romney finished third and Cain first?
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Question:
I didn’t see this second debate.
For those who did; why do you think Romney finished third and Cain first?
Mufasa[/quote]
Because Romney is phony. Conservatives do not want to vote for the man. Cain had at least 7 ovations during his speech here in Florida. And relating his experience with stage 4 cancer…comparing that experience with Obamacare and other top-down healthcare ‘solutions’…was probably the biggest moment of this last debate.
Edit: I’d just decided that either Cain or maybe Santorum would get my vote, or none of them would…and within hours, Cain pulls off an upset. Neither Perry or Romney is the Conservative candidate.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Yes.[/quote]
Christie has repeatedly said that he was not interested. And those who know him have said that he does not like the main stream liberal media slant. As for Rubio he may show up on the bottom half of a GOP ticket, but I doubt it. His best chance based on age and popularity would be to wait another 4 or 8 years.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Question:
I didn’t see this second debate.
For those who did; why do you think Romney finished third and Cain first?
Mufasa[/quote]
There are plenty of things to look for in a debate. If I were looking for pure substance perhaps Romney didn’t win. However, if I am looking at this as the typical voter Romney won in a walk. His superior presentation skills, mastery of the facts and pure Presidential look put him far ahead of the crowd.
It will be Perry, Romney is too wishy washy.
You’ll see plenty of wins for fringe candidates like Cain and Paul in straw polls where a couple of thousand votes are cast. Their supporters are out in full force running around like nuts trying to make their candidate look credible by thrusting him to the top postition. But when all of that nonsense is history the general republican primary voter is not going to take either Cain or Paul seriously. They are both considered generally unelectable for a variety of reasons which I’ve mentioned in previous posts.
But I will say that Herman Cain has some good ideas about the economy. Unfortunately, they’ll never make it past the idea stage.
Straw polls mean even less than polls 15 months out that match any given republican against Obama. Look at it as cheap entertainment. And of course pollsters make money by asking dumb questions about two men who will never face each other.
Romney or Perry (if he’s still in the race) will win the Florida primary. And that’s all that matters regarding Florida. Until the Presidential election of course.
Disregard everything except primary winners and large national (or state wide) polls by credible sources asking the proper questions in the proper way regarding people of the same party during the primary season.
Remember how real change in political landscapes occurs. One step at a time moving in the right direction. We didn’t get here over night with one bad candidate. It took several bad Presidents, and even some good ones, making bad decsions about the economy. We need to take several steps away from the likes of Obama. And the first step may not be the conservative of your liking. But if we get closer to the goal post I’ll take it. Or do you not want to run the football down the field unless you can score?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It will be Perry, Romney is too wishy washy. [/quote]
Politicians are like that, Perry is no different. It’s not easy getting elected to any office. People are demanding and issues change with the times. A good politician changes with them.
And of course people demand different things from their leaders at different times. The sort of guy that most around here want doesn’t really exist.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It will be Perry, Romney is too wishy washy. [/quote]
Perry is done. And, we conservatives will not turn out for Romney. Folks, save your energy on telling us to show and vote for Romney ‘because he can win.’ I’d rather watch Obama finish off the left (at least for a good long while) in his next four years, than watch some pretender finish off conservatism (as Bush nearly did).
[quote]Neospartan wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, both of them are trying to serve us up shit sandwiches. Romney is just smart enough to put a little ketchup on his first.[/quote]
So you will eat shit just because someone puts a lil’ dressing on it? WTF guy???
Here is Ron Paul in the debate:
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And here’s his defeatism message during the ad breaks:
Sickening. Cynically using veterans to promote his defeatist agenda is disgraceful and disrespectful.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You’ll see plenty of wins for fringe candidates like Cain and Paul in straw polls where a couple of thousand votes are cast. Their supporters are out in full force running around like nuts trying to make their candidate look credible by thrusting him to the top postition.
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This is true about Straw Polls. Straw polls serve to bring free-media attention to candidates, and those not in the media radar can benefit from them. Plus straw polls help encourage the candidates supporters/volunteers into donating more and working harder. That is why straw polls are, to an extent, important for candidates.
Perry. however, does not need extra free-media attention, he knows that, so I doubt his campaign is hurt. The key question is, can Mr. Cain use the media attention to its fullest. That will help him stay relevant when the early Primaries happen.
p.s there was another Straw Poll today in Michigan.
—Romney 1st, Perry 2nd, Cain 3rd, Paul 4th.
http://politisite.com/2011/09/25/michigan-straw-poll-results/
On Christie – No, I don’t think he would go against his prior word(s) about not running. If he did, he would immediately have to confront a perception of being a wishy-washy flip-flopper---- and he is neither.
On Perry – I don’t think he’s done. He’s seems to have a decent ability to turn negatives into positives. Case in point – the Gardasil issue. He got lambasted on all sides during the last debate and perhaps didn’t defend himself as well as he could have. But what came out of it? Bachmann looked like a raving, irresponsible loon and Perry a semi-hero.
If Perry is true to form, the same thing will happen regarding the KIDS of illegals getting in-state tuition. By the way, the KIDS of illegals are not illegal in this country. Texas made a state’s rights, cost-benefit decision to allow Texas (legal) KIDS of illegals the right to pay in-state tuition like every other kid that lives in Texas. No one is paying their full freight. I don’t think Santorum knew what he was talking about. Or am I missing something here?
When does the GOP pick their candidate?
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
On Perry --…He got lambasted on all sides during the last debate and perhaps didn’t defend himself as well as he could have.
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He didn’t take any shit from the crazy geriatric though. That Al Gore cheerleader ad must’ve really pressed the right buttons.
People on /b/ (4chan) support Ron Paul. Need I say more?
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
By the way, the KIDS of illegals are not illegal in this country. [/quote]
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[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
By the way, the KIDS of illegals are not illegal in this country. [/quote]
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Amendment 14. People born in this country are citizens. AKA Anchor babies.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
By the way, the KIDS of illegals are not illegal in this country. [/quote]
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Well, yeah, if they were born here they are citizens.
That is not what the fuss is about. Lots of children came to this country with their parents and are not here legally.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
By the way, the KIDS of illegals are not illegal in this country. [/quote]
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Well, yeah, if they were born here they are citizens.
That is not what the fuss is about. Lots of children came to this country with their parents and are not here legally.[/quote]
(Sorry, that link above didn’t work…so I took it out. It was a funny Daily SHow episode on anchor babies. Just wish I knew how to post it!)
For discussion, let’s forget about the kids of illegals born here since they are bonafide citizens. Call it a non-issue. Let’s say an illegal comes into the country with their Mexico-born kids. The Dream Act says those kids can pay in-state (Texas) tuition provided they are actively seeking legal citizenship. Apparently, it was almost a cost-benefit analysis where it was cheaper to offer THAT than have the kids be ignorant and more of a burden on society (and the State). It’s like the lesser of two evils. But I admit, it is still a magnet (to use Mitty’s word).
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
By the way, the KIDS of illegals are not illegal in this country. [/quote]
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event:The Daily Show with Trevor Noah - Season 28 - TV Series | Comedy Central US
Well, yeah, if they were born here they are citizens.
That is not what the fuss is about. Lots of children came to this country with their parents and are not here legally.[/quote]
(Sorry, that link above didn’t work…so I took it out. It was a funny Daily SHow episode on anchor babies. Just wish I knew how to post it!)
For discussion, let’s forget about the kids of illegals born here since they are bonafide citizens. Call it a non-issue. Let’s say an illegal comes into the country with their Mexico-born kids. The Dream Act says those kids can pay in-state (Texas) tuition provided they are actively seeking legal citizenship. Apparently, it was almost a cost-benefit analysis where it was cheaper to offer THAT than have the kids be ignorant and more of a burden on society (and the State). It’s like the lesser of two evils. But I admit, it is still a magnet (to use Mitty’s word).[/quote]
Personally, I have no problem with it, but then again I am a bleeding heart liberal. 
I was just confused by what you originally wrote. I think it is better to educate them and help them become citizens, but mine is an unpopular view in this part of T-Nation.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
–Ron Paul continues to be the greatest source of laughter in the race this year. He maintained his position on a fence being able to hold in Americans (eye roll).
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He doesn’t really think these conspiracy theories of his through that’s the trouble. I mean IF the big banksters/NWO Reptilians or whatever established a tyranny in the US and people wanted to escape, surely they’d be more inclined to head for Canada than Mexico. Too silly for words.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
–Ron Paul continues to be the greatest source of laughter in the race this year. He maintained his position on a fence being able to hold in Americans (eye roll).
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He doesn’t really think these conspiracy theories of his through that’s the trouble. I mean IF the big banksters/NWO Reptilians or whatever established a tyranny in the US and people wanted to escape, surely they’d be more inclined to head for Canada than Mexico. Too silly for words.[/quote]
Ha ha…the day Canada is a better place to live than the US I will know that the end is here.