Good Supplement Idea, Bad Formulations

Greens Gone Wrong

Consuming powdered plants is a handy way to fill dietary gaps, but many are filled with testosterone-lowering ingredients. Here's what to avoid.

Not long ago, only health-food hippies consumed green drinks. They'd wake up, check their horoscopes, dust off their auras, and then whip up a grassy green drink for breakfast. Groovy.

But "greens" supplements took off in the 80s as non-hippies realized they should probably consume a vegetable or two every day. Then, COVID hit, and suddenly wellness became a big deal. The sale of convenient green powders skyrocketed.

The only problem? Most supplement makers hadn't evolved since the 80s. Their green powders looked the same as they did decades before, with the same drawbacks.

The Problem with Greens Supplements

1. Kitchen Sink Formulations

It's the oldest trick in the book. Toss in a little bit of everything, especially if that ingredient is buzzworthy, then claim it on the label. Never mind if the supplement contains the right kind, or right amount, of the active ingredient to elicit an effect.

Supplement Company CEO: "People are buying ashwagandha. Throw some in our product! How much? What kind? Who cares? It'll look impressive on the label!"

The kitchen sink tactic is designed for consumers who've vaguely heard that a certain ingredient is healthy but haven't researched it. They're also impressed by the number of ingredients. Supplement manufacturers know this, so they keep shoving stuff into their products: "Our competition only has 26 ingredients. We have 75!" It's very impressive... if you don't how nutrition works.

2. Allergens

Back in the day, wheatgrass was one of the first powdered greens. Sure, it contains some vitamins and minerals, and many think the chlorophyll component "eliminates toxins." But it's also an allergen. Even if you don't experience rashes, hives, bloating, and diarrhea, your body isn't a big fan of eating concentrated grass. Barley grass, alfalfa, and dandelion also cause problems for people with certain allergies. All are common ingredients in greens supplements.

Why do supplement companies include these things? Well, they're cheap. They make good filler and increase profit margins. Also, many green drink fans expect a supplement to contain those ingredients. They don't know why exactly, but they've always been in there. They like the green color and associate it with health. But there are much better plants to choose from.

3. Testosterone-Lowering Ingredients

Green drink makers love things like licorice root, another leftover from the 1980s. They claim it's an adaptogen and may help fight stress. It also contains antioxidants, but every plant does.

Here's what we do know: licorice root lowers testosterone. It contains glycyrrhizin, which reduces testosterone levels by inhibiting the enzyme 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, essential for testosterone production. It also causes hormonal imbalances due to its phytoestrogen content, which mimics estrogen in the body. Licorice root can even increase blood pressure and cause fluid retention.

By the way, the current best-selling greens product on the market contains everything listed above.

All That Said, "Greens" Powders Are Still a Good Idea

Before we looked closer at the ingredient lists, most of us here at T Nation used these supplements. They were an easy way to consume greens without having to actually eat kale and broccoli at every meal. They helped fill any nutritional gaps. But we eventually dropped them. It's hard to justify consuming a testosterone-reducing ingredient when you work for "T" Nation.

So, we formulated our own supplement: Biotest Superfood (Buy at Amazon). We excluded any T-lowering ingredients, potential endocrine disruptors, common allergens, and fillers.

We also focused on more than greens and included the most potent "reds" and "blues." We included inflammation-squashing polyphenols, metabolism-boosting EGCG, and estrogen-fighting indoles, among other things. There's no sweetener and no artificial colors. It only has 18 ingredients, because that's all it needs.

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Of course, you don't have to use our stuff. But at least make sure your green supplement is free from any dubious ingredients or needless fillers.

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No one say AG1 or Athletic Greens. Might get us in trouble. :wink:

Showing my ignorance in 3, 2, 1… How do those blue-green algae supplements fit into all of this?

Mandirs once bought maby 2 pounds of blue green algae from Now Foods. I cant really teview anthinf sinc3 the event coinced with massive diet changes/lifestyle changes, but there were some remeberable effects on digestion.

Translation:

Mandors,

I once bought maybe two pounds of blue-green algae from Now Foods. I can’t really review anything since the event coincided with massive diet and lifestyle changes, but there were some memorable effects on digestion.

Fuck me, mobile devices have really enhanced human communication.

Now the real question - exactly what does “memorable” mean? Does that mean you had the massive, explosive shits, or does it mean that the algae had positive impacts on gut motility, bloating, etc.?

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Excellent heads up on the black licorice, BTW. It can also cause low potassium, high blood pressure, interference with other meds, and even heart arrhythmias in relatively frequent but moderate doses.

I wasn’t aware of the T-lowering effects, but this article details the mechanism, which is the prevention of the conversion of androstenedione to testosterone, due to the aforementioned inhibition of 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase:

https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/26/10/2962/26154/Glycyrrhizin-and-Serum-Testosterone-Concentrations

I knew it tasted like shit for a reason.

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I’ve haven’t dug deeply into all of them, but some may be promising. We’d have to see what particular component is doing the good stuff, probably phycocyanin, the main bioactive compound.

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Not to date myself here (not like that) but SuperFood was the first greens supplement I ever used - for that matter SWF was the first HBCD I used…

Random thoughts on a Tuesday

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So i started putting big spoonfuls of the blus green algae into my protein shakes. At first the fart were narley but i do believe it actually jaelped clean me out for rhe better after awhile. As for the other effects i think its time to by another tub and run this experiment again.

My test boosters did seem to be working a bit better at the time. I was also taking peptides, running around like crazy in a factory, dropping a lot of body fat, and taking a lot if stuff from Nutraplanet for the first time, since it was my first grown up job since college. I should also mention that i got close to no action in college, so i dint know if that would make me notice the effects of some herb more. Im to old to even the occasional Arimistane pill now too…