Just wow.
So what do you guys think, symptom of socialized medicine?
“But Margaret Chan, who refused to be accompanied by foreign reporters on her visit, also praised the isolated regime for providing universal health coverage and said programs like one for child immunizations and its response to a malaria resurgence make it the “envy” of many other developing countries.”
really? They are tying down patients and doing surgeries without anesthetic, but kudos on “universal health coverage”.
Oh shit, does that mean that that will happen here in denmark as well?!
fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu
This is just propoganda an you know it. Obama is the Messiah and he will save the world even the North Koreans.
[quote]asusvenus wrote:
Oh shit, does that mean that that will happen here in denmark as well?!
fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu[/quote]
It certainly illustrates the point that to some liberal officials, simply receiving “care” may be more important than the quality of said care.
How can anyone praise anything this country does, I know it’s their supreme leader’s fault but fuck.
She also probably thinks Hitler was ok because he built such good roads, nevermind that other stuff.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wow.
So what do you guys think, symptom of socialized medicine?
“But Margaret Chan, who refused to be accompanied by foreign reporters on her visit, also praised the isolated regime for providing universal health coverage and said programs like one for child immunizations and its response to a malaria resurgence make it the “envy” of many other developing countries.”
really? They are tying down patients and doing surgeries without anesthetic, but kudos on “universal health coverage”.
[/quote]
First of all, they don’t even have socialized medicine in North Korea. People are paying for healthcare with anything from cigarettes to alcohol and the country spends something like $1 per person per year on “healthcare”. In your zeal to make a connection between this communist state and socialized medicine you must have missed this quote from the article:
“People in North Korea don’t bother going to the hospital if they don’t have money because everyone knows that you have to pay for service and treatment,” a 20-year-old North Korean defector named Rhee was quoted as saying. “If you don’t have money, you die.” Hardly socialized healthcare; it’s much worse than that.
Secondly, even if this was considered socialized medicine, the horrors occurring there are not a symptom of that. They are a symptom of a totalitarian communist dictatorship.
They tried to reform their currency system and that failed so miserably there’s now widespread food shortages. Their attempts to build nuclear weaponry have drained the country’s piddling economy to the point where they can’t afford to invest in modern food production so now there’s widespread famine as well.
I see where you’re going with this DoubleDuce. “Obamacare” may be backwards, but if you think for one second that anyone with half a brain in their head really thinks that his healthcare reform will lead to anything close to what happens in North Korea, you’ve lost it. This isn’t where we’re heading.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wow.
So what do you guys think, symptom of socialized medicine?
“But Margaret Chan, who refused to be accompanied by foreign reporters on her visit, also praised the isolated regime for providing universal health coverage and said programs like one for child immunizations and its response to a malaria resurgence make it the “envy” of many other developing countries.”
really? They are tying down patients and doing surgeries without anesthetic, but kudos on “universal health coverage”.
[/quote]
First of all, they don’t even have socialized medicine in North Korea. People are paying for healthcare with anything from cigarettes to alcohol and the country spends something like $1 per person per year on “healthcare”. In your zeal to make a connection between this communist state and socialized medicine you must have missed this quote from the article:
“People in North Korea don’t bother going to the hospital if they don’t have money because everyone knows that you have to pay for service and treatment,” a 20-year-old North Korean defector named Rhee was quoted as saying. “If you don’t have money, you die.” Hardly socialized healthcare; it’s much worse than that.
Secondly, even if this was considered socialized medicine, the horrors occurring there are not a symptom of that. They are a symptom of a totalitarian communist dictatorship.
They tried to reform their currency system and that failed so miserably there’s now widespread food shortages. Their attempts to build nuclear weaponry have drained the country’s piddling economy to the point where they can’t afford to invest in modern food production so now there’s widespread famine as well.
I see where you’re going with this DoubleDuce. “Obamacare” may be backwards, but if you think for one second that anyone with half a brain in their head really thinks that his healthcare reform will lead to anything close to what happens in North Korea, you’ve lost it. This isn’t where we’re heading.[/quote]
Wrong. It absolutely is socialized medicine. What was being discussed were unofficial payments. Socialized medicine was enacted. mismanagement occurred. Government ran out of money to pay doctors. Now people are forced to bribe people in the medical field in order to get treatment.
Sounds like you jumped to conclusions. Here let me help. Read the amnesty international report (linked in the fox article). Zero in on section 4.1.
The money changing hands is backdoor deals caused by failure and corruption occurring within socialist system. It is in no way affiliated with some sort of free market payments.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wow.
So what do you guys think, symptom of socialized medicine?
“But Margaret Chan, who refused to be accompanied by foreign reporters on her visit, also praised the isolated regime for providing universal health coverage and said programs like one for child immunizations and its response to a malaria resurgence make it the “envy” of many other developing countries.”
really? They are tying down patients and doing surgeries without anesthetic, but kudos on “universal health coverage”.
[/quote]
First of all, they don’t even have socialized medicine in North Korea. People are paying for healthcare with anything from cigarettes to alcohol and the country spends something like $1 per person per year on “healthcare”. In your zeal to make a connection between this communist state and socialized medicine you must have missed this quote from the article:
“People in North Korea don’t bother going to the hospital if they don’t have money because everyone knows that you have to pay for service and treatment,” a 20-year-old North Korean defector named Rhee was quoted as saying. “If you don’t have money, you die.” Hardly socialized healthcare; it’s much worse than that.
Secondly, even if this was considered socialized medicine, the horrors occurring there are not a symptom of that. They are a symptom of a totalitarian communist dictatorship.
They tried to reform their currency system and that failed so miserably there’s now widespread food shortages. Their attempts to build nuclear weaponry have drained the country’s piddling economy to the point where they can’t afford to invest in modern food production so now there’s widespread famine as well.
I see where you’re going with this DoubleDuce. “Obamacare” may be backwards, but if you think for one second that anyone with half a brain in their head really thinks that his healthcare reform will lead to anything close to what happens in North Korea, you’ve lost it. This isn’t where we’re heading.[/quote]
Wrong. It absolutely is socialized medicine. What was being discussed were unofficial payments. Socialized medicine was enacted. mismanagement occurred. Government ran out of money to pay doctors. Now people are forced to bribe people in the medical field in order to get treatment.
Sounds like you jumped to conclusions. Here let me help. Read the amnesty international report (linked in the fox article). Zero in on section 4.1.
The money changing hands is backdoor deals caused by failure and corruption occurring within socialist system. It is in no way affiliated with some sort of free market payments.
[/quote]
This is not a socialized system in North Korea. It is way beyond that and has been for almost twenty years. This is totalitarianism perpetrated by an absolute maniac. Now while I may be jumping to conclusions here, I strongly suspect that your thinly-veiled point here is that what is going on in N Korea is what we can look forward to thanks to “Obamacare” and that what is happening there is the result of socialism. It is not going to happen here, even if term limits were removed and Obama was the President for the rest of his life. I’m certainly not trying to defend socialism at all here, but socialism does not inherently lead to this situation, as we can see in the examples of several Western European countries with truly socialized healthcare.
And if your point is not that there is a connection between Obamacare and North Korea’s “healthcare” system, then what is your point?
I don’t know, wouldn’t it be better to look at Europe for examples of failures in “socialized medicine” than North Korea?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wow.
So what do you guys think, symptom of socialized medicine?
“But Margaret Chan, who refused to be accompanied by foreign reporters on her visit, also praised the isolated regime for providing universal health coverage and said programs like one for child immunizations and its response to a malaria resurgence make it the “envy” of many other developing countries.”
really? They are tying down patients and doing surgeries without anesthetic, but kudos on “universal health coverage”.
[/quote]
First of all, they don’t even have socialized medicine in North Korea. People are paying for healthcare with anything from cigarettes to alcohol and the country spends something like $1 per person per year on “healthcare”. In your zeal to make a connection between this communist state and socialized medicine you must have missed this quote from the article:
“People in North Korea don’t bother going to the hospital if they don’t have money because everyone knows that you have to pay for service and treatment,” a 20-year-old North Korean defector named Rhee was quoted as saying. “If you don’t have money, you die.” Hardly socialized healthcare; it’s much worse than that.
Secondly, even if this was considered socialized medicine, the horrors occurring there are not a symptom of that. They are a symptom of a totalitarian communist dictatorship.
They tried to reform their currency system and that failed so miserably there’s now widespread food shortages. Their attempts to build nuclear weaponry have drained the country’s piddling economy to the point where they can’t afford to invest in modern food production so now there’s widespread famine as well.
I see where you’re going with this DoubleDuce. “Obamacare” may be backwards, but if you think for one second that anyone with half a brain in their head really thinks that his healthcare reform will lead to anything close to what happens in North Korea, you’ve lost it. This isn’t where we’re heading.[/quote]
Wrong. It absolutely is socialized medicine. What was being discussed were unofficial payments. Socialized medicine was enacted. mismanagement occurred. Government ran out of money to pay doctors. Now people are forced to bribe people in the medical field in order to get treatment.
Sounds like you jumped to conclusions. Here let me help. Read the amnesty international report (linked in the fox article). Zero in on section 4.1.
The money changing hands is backdoor deals caused by failure and corruption occurring within socialist system. It is in no way affiliated with some sort of free market payments.
[/quote]
This is not a socialized system in North Korea. It is way beyond that and has been for almost twenty years. This is totalitarianism perpetrated by an absolute maniac. Now while I may be jumping to conclusions here, I strongly suspect that your thinly-veiled point here is that what is going on in N Korea is what we can look forward to thanks to “Obamacare” and that what is happening there is the result of socialism. It is not going to happen here, even if term limits were removed and Obama was the President for the rest of his life. I’m certainly not trying to defend socialism at all here, but socialism does not inherently lead to this situation, as we can see in the examples of several Western European countries with truly socialized healthcare.
And if your point is not that there is a connection between Obamacare and North Korea’s “healthcare” system, then what is your point?[/quote]
There are a couple of points.
First being that while this situation may not be a necessary component of a socialized system, the socialized system may have been a necessary component in the situation. The only way something like this happens and can happen is where you have a system structured around a centralized control outside of the influence of the people. If the state wasn’t allowed to control the system, the head of the government couldn’t screw it up.
Centralizing power inevitably opens the door to all sorts and degrees of corruption. I don’t believe Americans would allow it to be that bad, But how bad do you think it could get?
Second,it validates the idea that universal coverage for diminished quality of care isn’t always a good thing. Can you image that the head of the WHO actually had praise for their health system? It seems to some that the means to get to the goal of universal coverage are always justified and this absolutely refutes that.