[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Fighting Fires, this may be a dumb question buthave you gone to another vet and told them what’s going on, including what your current vet has been doing that isn’t working?[/quote]
yes sir. im actually on my second vet now, and trying #3 this week hopefully wed, which is my first day off. And this third vet im feeling pretty good about, hes a close family friend, of a close family friend of mine (make sense? lol) and i dont feel he will jerk me around at all. as of now im just monitoring it and cleaning the ear daily to make sure it doesnt take a turn for the worse.
Main reason i think ill like this guy, i called him immediately after the surgery when i did not agree with the drug choices of the vet that did the surgery, i didnt find out about this guy until after the surgery which is why i didnt go to him sooner. and he told me what he thought, which was actually what i thought about the drugs and he was real nice and all. the only reason i havent gone to him sooner was that since this current vet did the surgery, i felt that i wanted to see her through til the incision was all heeled up. [/quote]
Apologize for interrupting guard dog talk, but my dog also had chronic ear infections. I was going broke going to the vet every other month for tests & meds only to have infections flair up again almost immediately.
Then a vet suggested it may be a food allergy, we switched to a grain free food (Wellness Core) & the ears cleared right up, been infection free ever since. It might be worth a try.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
If it is just you and mom get an American Pitbull, real loyal and extremely territorial. They are aggressive though. Real smart dogs. Our dog catches rats and possums along with squirrels. There is stigma with pitbulls but if your trying to protect your house its a good stigma to have.[/quote]
If you get a well-bred pitbull, it will never show any aggression toward humans though, so it won’t be an effective guard dog. Dobermans and Rottweilers are bred to respond to a threat to their owners, whether from humans or another animal. A pitbull won’t respond the same way, unless it’s poorly bred and is therefore a bad dog to have around anyways. A well-bred pit will still exhibit aggression toward other animals without being overly aggressive toward other dogs, especially ones that are smaller than it.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but this is simply not true. How many of y’all that are commenting on pits have 'em or have spent significant time around the breed? I have 3 Razors Edge pits and they are all as loyal, loving and goofy as can be. They love people and other animals, but make no mistake if someone were to step to me or my family or try and get where they’re not wanted everyone of my dogs would [and have] take action. You do need to expose pits to other breeds early 'cause their heritage is as farm dogs. They’re critter getters at heart and if they’re not used to small dogs a rat terrier just looks like a rat. And for the record, I can take all of my dogs to the park and they’ll play with other dogs all day. The problem is that other dogs generally try to “test” them, especially my male. Because of this I no longer take him to the dog park. Oh, and even though BG and I have had our differences on this board the guy knows his dogs. People need to listen when he talks about dogs.[/quote]
I am glad there are posters like BG and WF. Both have knocked the info about pits out of the park. Having raised three pits, I have to agree with everything they have said. Especially the “critter getters” piece, as that was what their breed was originally bred for. Varmints. Bailey, the 95lb pit I had was a clown with other dogs. He would take the submissive role 95% of the time when he encountered other dogs, mostly just to coax them into playing with him. The “tests” represented the other 5%. When tested, he was no one’s punk.
On the subject of guarding, he was more prone to licking you to death. To the point he would knock you down just to continue licking.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
If it is just you and mom get an American Pitbull, real loyal and extremely territorial. They are aggressive though. Real smart dogs. Our dog catches rats and possums along with squirrels. There is stigma with pitbulls but if your trying to protect your house its a good stigma to have.[/quote]
If you get a well-bred pitbull, it will never show any aggression toward humans though, so it won’t be an effective guard dog. Dobermans and Rottweilers are bred to respond to a threat to their owners, whether from humans or another animal. A pitbull won’t respond the same way, unless it’s poorly bred and is therefore a bad dog to have around anyways. A well-bred pit will still exhibit aggression toward other animals without being overly aggressive toward other dogs, especially ones that are smaller than it.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but this is simply not true. How many of y’all that are commenting on pits have 'em or have spent significant time around the breed? I have 3 Razors Edge pits and they are all as loyal, loving and goofy as can be. They love people and other animals, but make no mistake if someone were to step to me or my family or try and get where they’re not wanted everyone of my dogs would [and have] take action. You do need to expose pits to other breeds early 'cause their heritage is as farm dogs. They’re critter getters at heart and if they’re not used to small dogs a rat terrier just looks like a rat. And for the record, I can take all of my dogs to the park and they’ll play with other dogs all day. The problem is that other dogs generally try to “test” them, especially my male. Because of this I no longer take him to the dog park. Oh, and even though BG and I have had our differences on this board the guy knows his dogs. People need to listen when he talks about dogs.[/quote]
Razors edge may register adba but are nothing more than staffs or bullys, these are dogs that were once game lines but in more recent lineage not held to the same standard. [/quote]
I understand this, but the connection is there and I wanted to point some things out.
I have an American Staffie named Sid. Very, very territorial. If I’m not there to make introductions then he will not let people he hasn’t met anywhere near the house.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So… A razor’s edge is a “show” dog then?
I mean, you get it to say you have a pit, but it isn’t ‘really’ a pit?
The insurance rates still high on it? ;)[/quote]
That’s exactly what it is. The line was started by a guy named Dave Wilson out in Virginia. It’s basically years and years of breeding to bring out certain genetic characteristics to get a desired look, like big head, short muzzles, low at the withers, super muscular, etc… And, it is pit but it’s mixed with cousin breeds as well.
Haha, yes it is. In the eyes of everyone not involved with the breed it’s a straight pit.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
If it is just you and mom get an American Pitbull, real loyal and extremely territorial. They are aggressive though. Real smart dogs. Our dog catches rats and possums along with squirrels. There is stigma with pitbulls but if your trying to protect your house its a good stigma to have.[/quote]
If you get a well-bred pitbull, it will never show any aggression toward humans though, so it won’t be an effective guard dog. Dobermans and Rottweilers are bred to respond to a threat to their owners, whether from humans or another animal. A pitbull won’t respond the same way, unless it’s poorly bred and is therefore a bad dog to have around anyways. A well-bred pit will still exhibit aggression toward other animals without being overly aggressive toward other dogs, especially ones that are smaller than it.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but this is simply not true. How many of y’all that are commenting on pits have 'em or have spent significant time around the breed? I have 3 Razors Edge pits and they are all as loyal, loving and goofy as can be. They love people and other animals, but make no mistake if someone were to step to me or my family or try and get where they’re not wanted everyone of my dogs would [and have] take action. You do need to expose pits to other breeds early 'cause their heritage is as farm dogs. They’re critter getters at heart and if they’re not used to small dogs a rat terrier just looks like a rat. And for the record, I can take all of my dogs to the park and they’ll play with other dogs all day. The problem is that other dogs generally try to “test” them, especially my male. Because of this I no longer take him to the dog park. Oh, and even though BG and I have had our differences on this board the guy knows his dogs. People need to listen when he talks about dogs.[/quote]
I don’t talk about my dogs anymore on the internet but Colby X Jeep. As well, from all the Razor Edge dogs I have seen, they have been fat curs, so I suppose you can take your dogs around other dogs. I have one house dog, the rest are in kennels.
I would never bring my dogs around other dogs. Unless I intended that my dog was going to get in a fight. And, if any of my dogs showed human aggression, they’d be put down. Immediately.
If an A.P.B.T. shows human aggression, they are ill bred/trained incorrectly and the breeder/trainer should put down his dogs.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
^BG,I was reading this thread and was hoping you would respond. You got your shit together when it comes to dogs man.
This is weird but I’ve heard a few times that geese(white ones) are the best at warning you when there is an intruder…after that they’re useless…like my contribution to this thread lol.
[/quote]
From time to time, I’ve actually had guinea hens on my property bc they are rumored to eat ticks and damn if they don’t raise a damn racket when someone comes around so who knows…maybe there is some truth to the geese thing lol.[/quote]
Guinea hens are nasty birds. I’ve seen one attack a grown man.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
^BG,I was reading this thread and was hoping you would respond. You got your shit together when it comes to dogs man.
This is weird but I’ve heard a few times that geese(white ones) are the best at warning you when there is an intruder…after that they’re useless…like my contribution to this thread lol.
[/quote]
From time to time, I’ve actually had guinea hens on my property bc they are rumored to eat ticks and damn if they don’t raise a damn racket when someone comes around so who knows…maybe there is some truth to the geese thing lol.[/quote]
Guinea hens are nasty birds. I’ve seen one attack a grown man.[/quote]
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
^BG,I was reading this thread and was hoping you would respond. You got your shit together when it comes to dogs man.
This is weird but I’ve heard a few times that geese(white ones) are the best at warning you when there is an intruder…after that they’re useless…like my contribution to this thread lol.
[/quote]
From time to time, I’ve actually had guinea hens on my property bc they are rumored to eat ticks and damn if they don’t raise a damn racket when someone comes around so who knows…maybe there is some truth to the geese thing lol.[/quote]
Guinea hens are nasty birds. I’ve seen one attack a grown man.[/quote]
I’ve only been around one Colby [that I know of], and that was at a dog park with my male. They were having a Mexican standoff and I stepped in and squashed it. Pretty sure the owner didn’t know what he had. That same day is the only time I’ve seen my male tie into it with another dog, and it wasn’t 20 seconds after he and the Colby stiffened up on eachother. I really wish people researched the breed they intend on owning so they fully understand what they’re getting into.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
^BG,I was reading this thread and was hoping you would respond. You got your shit together when it comes to dogs man.
This is weird but I’ve heard a few times that geese(white ones) are the best at warning you when there is an intruder…after that they’re useless…like my contribution to this thread lol.
[/quote]
From time to time, I’ve actually had guinea hens on my property bc they are rumored to eat ticks and damn if they don’t raise a damn racket when someone comes around so who knows…maybe there is some truth to the geese thing lol.[/quote]
Guinea hens are nasty birds. I’ve seen one attack a grown man.[/quote]
My mom has over 20 on her property. They’re loud as fuck.
I have a staffy cross with a Rottweiler… big dog with a big fat head very intimidating … all you can see when you pass my house is his fat head hanging over the fence… not very inviting
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Fighting Fires, this may be a dumb question buthave you gone to another vet and told them what’s going on, including what your current vet has been doing that isn’t working?[/quote]
yes sir. im actually on my second vet now, and trying #3 this week hopefully wed, which is my first day off. And this third vet im feeling pretty good about, hes a close family friend, of a close family friend of mine (make sense? lol) and i dont feel he will jerk me around at all. as of now im just monitoring it and cleaning the ear daily to make sure it doesnt take a turn for the worse.
Main reason i think ill like this guy, i called him immediately after the surgery when i did not agree with the drug choices of the vet that did the surgery, i didnt find out about this guy until after the surgery which is why i didnt go to him sooner. and he told me what he thought, which was actually what i thought about the drugs and he was real nice and all. the only reason i havent gone to him sooner was that since this current vet did the surgery, i felt that i wanted to see her through til the incision was all heeled up. [/quote]
Apologize for interrupting guard dog talk, but my dog also had chronic ear infections. I was going broke going to the vet every other month for tests & meds only to have infections flair up again almost immediately.
Then a vet suggested it may be a food allergy, we switched to a grain free food (Wellness Core) & the ears cleared right up, been infection free ever since. It might be worth a try.
[/quote]
Hey thanks a lot. Can i pick that up at like a petsmart or something like that? or must it be specially ordered?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Fighting Fires, this may be a dumb question buthave you gone to another vet and told them what’s going on, including what your current vet has been doing that isn’t working?[/quote]
yes sir. im actually on my second vet now, and trying #3 this week hopefully wed, which is my first day off. And this third vet im feeling pretty good about, hes a close family friend, of a close family friend of mine (make sense? lol) and i dont feel he will jerk me around at all. as of now im just monitoring it and cleaning the ear daily to make sure it doesnt take a turn for the worse.
Main reason i think ill like this guy, i called him immediately after the surgery when i did not agree with the drug choices of the vet that did the surgery, i didnt find out about this guy until after the surgery which is why i didnt go to him sooner. and he told me what he thought, which was actually what i thought about the drugs and he was real nice and all. the only reason i havent gone to him sooner was that since this current vet did the surgery, i felt that i wanted to see her through til the incision was all heeled up. [/quote]
Apologize for interrupting guard dog talk, but my dog also had chronic ear infections. I was going broke going to the vet every other month for tests & meds only to have infections flair up again almost immediately.
Then a vet suggested it may be a food allergy, we switched to a grain free food (Wellness Core) & the ears cleared right up, been infection free ever since. It might be worth a try.
[/quote]
Hey thanks a lot. Can i pick that up at like a petsmart or something like that? or must it be specially ordered? [/quote]
F_F, sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. If you’re trying a new vet you’re probably on the right track. And, there’s no harm in switching your dogs food. The worst it could do is not work and give our dog the shits.
My last dog was a Chow/golden mix. Great family dog and he would go absolutely batshit if someone came into the yard. I did worry about kids roughhousing though and you did not want to run with him around.
Chows have an unusual way of fighting, they kind of bear hug you with their front legs and start biting. He didn’t have a problem with other dogs, but he was attacked a couple times and he ended those fights fast.
I have two Great Danes, great with kids, loyal, strong, smart, and turns out they have great guard instincts. Our female knows sit, stay, find it, get em’, out, go lay down, and check it out.
If you are serious about a personal protection dog, start hanging around a Schutzhund or Ring club before you choose your pup. You’ll get an idea of whether you enjoy the training or not. If you don’t enjoy it, don’t even think about it because it’s a big commitment.
You’ll also get a feel for which breed suits you the best. Working lines are a long way removed from show or pet dogs. They are not pet dogs, they have lots of drive, way more energy, and will take their job seriously so without good training they fast become a liability and a burden on your sanity.
A dog bred for show or pet will most likely be a waste of time, and will almost certainly not cope with the demands of the work, but may still serve as a deterrent.
