Good Guard Dogs

[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
Never met a Mastiff that I couldn’t outrun.

I work with aggressive dogs. People have problems with all sorts of breeds; Labs, Border Collies, Beagles, lots of pet or showline German Shepherds etc It’s easy enough for a dog to learn to be a liability and a royal pain in the ass.

People always think the dog is trying to protect THEM too. It’s rarely the case that the dog is trying to protect them, the dog is almost always trying to protect itself - big difference if someone is trying to hurt YOU.

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Exactly…people get real romantic about their pets. As for outrunning mastiffs, I have a dogo argentino I will happily wager any sum in a match race against you, for any distance :slight_smile: Dogs that bark and growl are usually afraid…it’s the dogs that don’t bark or growl you might need to be concerned with :slight_smile: And yes, very good point, bad dogs come in all breeds, shapes and sizes, unless of course you have those Florida dogs that talk to each other and build rockets.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
unless of course you have those Florida dogs that talk to each other and build rockets.

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LOL

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As for outrunning mastiffs, I have a dogo argentino I will happily wager any sum in a match race against you, for any distance :)[/quote]

No thanks, I like having a matching set of bum cheeks.

It’s the ones who would bark and growl but have been punished for it that I worry about, no warning, no confidence, and every reason to believe people will hurt them. Barking is good, I like barking a lot. Fair warning, most dogs will do everything in their power to avoid actually biting or fighting. People just don’t get that, do they?

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Turkish Kangal.

look it up!

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Isn’t that the same as an Anatolian Shepard? I saw I documentary on them once, being used to protect livestock in Africa from cheetahs and stuff.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Its All U wrote:
I have had probably more than 25-35 dogs in my life and almost everybody I have ever known has had 1 or more dogs.

This shit ain’t rocket science.

After reading some of the posts on here it would seen like the OP should just give up. Getting a dog that will be useful to them is nearly impossible and if by chance one could be found the breeder wouldn’t sell it them. WTF

Just go to the pound and find a dog you like and give it a home. Use some common sense regarding the breed and size of the dog.

I have 3 dogs that work as a team guarding my property. I have a fenced in yard and 5 acres.

My red healer knows everything that goes on and is very alert. If she can’t handle the situation she gets the German Shepard involved. He is pretty alert as well. If those two need some help they wake up Monster. He is a 200+lb English mastiff. He is lazy and is only alert when he is on patrol which is infrequent and doesn’t last long. But nobody would challenge that big ass dog. He is very intimidating and can back it up. All my dogs are good with my 4 kids, and 2 horses. They know who to challenge and who to say hello too. And I have a shotgun etc for things that require that kind of attention.

This is they way me and many other red blooded Americans live and protect whats ours. It works and it is not a freaking fairy tale or a marketing scheme. If you are of reasonable intelligence and employ some common sense you can do it too.

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Well, it aint rocket science if all you want is a deterrent and an alarm, which is exactly what I said. Your red healer sounds like an alarm dog. Perfect. You say she gets the GSD involved if there is a problem. That is remarkable. Do they speak? I think you might have a case for science that your red healer communicates intelligently to the GSD. So, let me get this right. If the healer AND the GSD can’t handle the situation, they run over to and “wake up” the monster, the mastiff. Exactly how does that occur? Do you have this on film? I’d love to see it. LOL. Anyway, sounds like you have a shitty GSD given that the GSD is far and above the choice of a professional over a mastiff. I don’t know of many mastiff breeds on any police force or military. If the GSD runs to your mastiff, you can just shoot that GSD now and save dog food :slight_smile: Sounds like the lazy mastiff needs all the food it can get. Nobody would challenge that big ass dog? Well, most wouldn’t. But others would just poison it. Or shoot it. About the most intelligent reference you made was to your shotgun. Now that’s protection. Which is exactly the general point I was making about dogs before your dismissive and disrespectful post. Reading comprehension fail sir. And yes, all these romantic breed descriptions you read are marketing pixie dust. Selling dogs is big business. And if you know what a truly good working dog is, you know it’s exceedingly hard to find one. I wasn’t referring to pets. I said working dogs. Yes, I agree, go adopt - it will serve the average family just fine. Sounds like you have some pretty average dogs. Which is exactly what I was recommending to the average pet owner. LMFAO at 200 lb mastiff. How did you determine the weight? By taking a pic of the dog next to a sneaker? Just wondering. I don’t know of any mastiff breed that should be tipping the scales that heavy. But maybe down there in Florida, where the dogs seem to talk to each other, you got something in the water to make em that big. Either that or they are overfed, grossly fat, and unhealthy. Or, maybe you were just telling a big fish story. [/quote]

First off LOL
Yes my healer communicates with the other dogs. She will run clear across the yard to find the shepard. Then she barks at him to communicate just like many other dogs would. He gladly follows to see what is up. That is her get off your ass and come here bark. When the sheperd or the mastiff go near her food she has a different bark that is accompanied by a growl. Which means don’t go near my bowl bitch. They both know what she is saying. If the two smaller dogs think the situation is important enough they will run around where the big dog was last seen and bark at him until he gets up. This might occur for example, when the prisoners are picking up trash in front of my property. Our property runs along a major 4 lane hwy for about 800’. If the healer has spotted a squirrel and chased it up a tree she does not call for backup. I guess she figures she’s got this.

If someone shoots my dogs then there is no guess work that mischief is afoot and firearms will be deployed. Justifiably, warning shots will not be fired.

I thought the OP was looking for a dog for his mom, not Rin Tin Tin.

We adopted the Mastiff from an animal shelter that one of our friends volunteered at. She called my wife when the dog came in. She knew that I liked big dogs as she was the one who gave me the shepard. The dog had to be fixed as a condition of the adoption. The vet weighed the dog somehow. My wife took the dog so I didn’t see it happen. The vet weighed the dog at 205. It is common for the english mastiff male to weigh 150-250. They are the heaviest dog breed. The world record was a 7 year old mastiff at 338 lbs. My dog is about a year and a half old and has put on some weight in the past 4-5 months that we have had him (hence 200+). He is not overweight or unhealthy. He is just a big thick ass dog with a big head. They typically continue growing until they are 2.5 years old. His paw is almost as big as my hand.

I will see about getting the required pic of my dog with a shoe so Tnat can rate his physique.

oookay… but I love my labrador. He is 95lbs of absolute love and protection.

He is a huge smart dog that is very protective of me but also good when meeting people.

His bark is HUGE and that is what I need.

Here is my baby Zackariah. He is wonderful. He is very protective.

[quote]Its All U wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Its All U wrote:
I have had probably more than 25-35 dogs in my life and almost everybody I have ever known has had 1 or more dogs.

This shit ain’t rocket science.

After reading some of the posts on here it would seen like the OP should just give up. Getting a dog that will be useful to them is nearly impossible and if by chance one could be found the breeder wouldn’t sell it them. WTF

Just go to the pound and find a dog you like and give it a home. Use some common sense regarding the breed and size of the dog.

I have 3 dogs that work as a team guarding my property. I have a fenced in yard and 5 acres.

My red healer knows everything that goes on and is very alert. If she can’t handle the situation she gets the German Shepard involved. He is pretty alert as well. If those two need some help they wake up Monster. He is a 200+lb English mastiff. He is lazy and is only alert when he is on patrol which is infrequent and doesn’t last long. But nobody would challenge that big ass dog. He is very intimidating and can back it up. All my dogs are good with my 4 kids, and 2 horses. They know who to challenge and who to say hello too. And I have a shotgun etc for things that require that kind of attention.

This is they way me and many other red blooded Americans live and protect whats ours. It works and it is not a freaking fairy tale or a marketing scheme. If you are of reasonable intelligence and employ some common sense you can do it too.

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Well, it aint rocket science if all you want is a deterrent and an alarm, which is exactly what I said. Your red healer sounds like an alarm dog. Perfect. You say she gets the GSD involved if there is a problem. That is remarkable. Do they speak? I think you might have a case for science that your red healer communicates intelligently to the GSD. So, let me get this right. If the healer AND the GSD can’t handle the situation, they run over to and “wake up” the monster, the mastiff. Exactly how does that occur? Do you have this on film? I’d love to see it. LOL. Anyway, sounds like you have a shitty GSD given that the GSD is far and above the choice of a professional over a mastiff. I don’t know of many mastiff breeds on any police force or military. If the GSD runs to your mastiff, you can just shoot that GSD now and save dog food :slight_smile: Sounds like the lazy mastiff needs all the food it can get. Nobody would challenge that big ass dog? Well, most wouldn’t. But others would just poison it. Or shoot it. About the most intelligent reference you made was to your shotgun. Now that’s protection. Which is exactly the general point I was making about dogs before your dismissive and disrespectful post. Reading comprehension fail sir. And yes, all these romantic breed descriptions you read are marketing pixie dust. Selling dogs is big business. And if you know what a truly good working dog is, you know it’s exceedingly hard to find one. I wasn’t referring to pets. I said working dogs. Yes, I agree, go adopt - it will serve the average family just fine. Sounds like you have some pretty average dogs. Which is exactly what I was recommending to the average pet owner. LMFAO at 200 lb mastiff. How did you determine the weight? By taking a pic of the dog next to a sneaker? Just wondering. I don’t know of any mastiff breed that should be tipping the scales that heavy. But maybe down there in Florida, where the dogs seem to talk to each other, you got something in the water to make em that big. Either that or they are overfed, grossly fat, and unhealthy. Or, maybe you were just telling a big fish story. [/quote]

First off LOL
Yes my healer communicates with the other dogs. She will run clear across the yard to find the shepard. Then she barks at him to communicate just like many other dogs would. He gladly follows to see what is up. That is her get off your ass and come here bark. When the sheperd or the mastiff go near her food she has a different bark that is accompanied by a growl. Which means don’t go near my bowl bitch. They both know what she is saying. If the two smaller dogs think the situation is important enough they will run around where the big dog was last seen and bark at him until he gets up. This might occur for example, when the prisoners are picking up trash in front of my property. Our property runs along a major 4 lane hwy for about 800’. If the healer has spotted a squirrel and chased it up a tree she does not call for backup. I guess she figures she’s got this.

If someone shoots my dogs then there is no guess work that mischief is afoot and firearms will be deployed. Justifiably, warning shots will not be fired.

I thought the OP was looking for a dog for his mom, not Rin Tin Tin.

We adopted the Mastiff from an animal shelter that one of our friends volunteered at. She called my wife when the dog came in. She knew that I liked big dogs as she was the one who gave me the shepard. The dog had to be fixed as a condition of the adoption. The vet weighed the dog somehow. My wife took the dog so I didn’t see it happen. The vet weighed the dog at 205. It is common for the english mastiff male to weigh 150-250. They are the heaviest dog breed. The world record was a 7 year old mastiff at 338 lbs. My dog is about a year and a half old and has put on some weight in the past 4-5 months that we have had him (hence 200+). He is not overweight or unhealthy. He is just a big thick ass dog with a big head. They typically continue growing until they are 2.5 years old. His paw is almost as big as my hand.

I will see about getting the required pic of my dog with a shoe so Tnat can rate his physique.

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Bark. Bark bark bark. Whine. “What’s that Lassie?” (Lassie was a healer). Bark. Bark bark bark. Whine. “What? Jimmy broke his ankle and is stranded in the canyon?”. Bark bark. “You didn’t have to call me a dummy Lassie!”. Bark bark, whine, bark. “I know it’s getting dark. I’ll round up a posse and we’ll go rescue Jimmy”. Bark bark whine whine bark. “Good Lassie, you go keep Jimmy company and given him emotional support until we can arrive”.

I’m thinking the Australian could definitely outrun your mastiff, whether your mastiff was wearing sneakers or not :slight_smile:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

oookay… but I love my labrador. He is 95lbs of absolute love and protection.

He is a huge smart dog that is very protective of me but also good when meeting people.

His park is HUGE and that is what I need. [/quote]

LOL he wasn’t very protective when I was using your curtains for post-coital hygiene :slight_smile: Are you still angry with me about that? LOL j/k. Nice dog.

[quote]Its All U wrote:
If someone shoots my dogs then there is no guess work that mischief is afoot and firearms will be deployed. Justifiably, warning shots will not be fired.

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Your original reply aside, I’m pretty damn sure I like you. Anyone that “deploys” firearms, without warning shots, when “mischief is afoot” is all-fucking-right by me, talking dogs or not.

Final thought before bed. I’d wager a healthy sum the majority of all reported dog bites were perpetrated upon victims that did NOT deserve to be attacked and a good portion of those victims were family members, and a portion of those were children in the family. Think about that the next time you think you want a dog that will bite.

When I was younger, I had an obsession with “dogs that would bite”…until I had children, and that obsession ended. Remember, no dog should be trusted with children…so you romantic types prone to anthropomorphism should heed that advice. They are animals. They are not always predictable. And you dog owners that spout about ALPHA this and PACK that don’t kid yourselves - no dominant dog sees a child as alpha. I love dogs and would LOVE to have one in the house again. I have many dogs. None that would bite (that I am aware of - well, that’s a lie, I do have a small patterdale terrier with a nasty disposition but he’s 15lbs and kenneled). But I have a 4 year old and for that reason, there will be no dogs in the house.

Remember the most common quote I’ve seen after the family dog bit someone (usually a child) in the family: “but Sparky never acted like that before”. I’m not trying to come off like a know-it-all, I just don’t want anyone here in our TN “family” to ever have to suffer the consequences of your dog biting someone or, more regrettably, biting a small child (in your family or not).

Choose the dog you want (you will anyway, no matter how irrational that choice is), but please educate yourself and be responsible.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

oookay… but I love my labrador. He is 95lbs of absolute love and protection.

He is a huge smart dog that is very protective of me but also good when meeting people.

His park is HUGE and that is what I need. [/quote]

LOL he wasn’t very protective when I was using your curtains for post-coital hygiene :slight_smile: Are you still angry with me about that? LOL j/k. Nice dog.[/quote]

Dude… speak badly of me… but not my dog.

why?

does being hard ass mean that much?

Anyway, sounds like you have a shitty GSD given that the GSD is far and above the choice of a professional over a mastiff. I don’t know of many mastiff breeds on any police force or military. If the GSD runs to your mastiff, you can just shoot that GSD now and save dog food :slight_smile: Sounds like the lazy mastiff needs all the food it can get.

Somehow I missed this. It does deserve comment though. The GSD is wimpy for a male. He would probably run from somebody that took a swing at him. He acts like he has some balls when the other dogs are there. But he does look good in the yard. The healer bullies him all the time. She tried it with the mastiff when we first got him and he promptly picked her up in his mouth and shook her violently a few times,then threw her down and pinned her with his front foot. She stayed away from him for a long time after that.

I will admit, if the GSD was the bad ass he should be we would might not have taken the mastiff.
Healers name - Bullet
Mastiff name - Monster
Ger Shep Name - Kobi

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Final thought before bed. I’d wager a healthy sum the majority of all reported dog bites were perpetrated upon victims that did NOT deserve to be attacked and a good portion of those victims were family members, and a portion of those were children in the family.[/QUOTE]

It’s a stone-cold fact. I don’t know about the “NOT deserved” part, but certainly the children of the family that owned the dog part.

I have kids too, and my thinking is that dogs shouldn’t be trusted with children and neither should children be trusted with dogs. There was a Rottweiler destroyed here a few years ago because it bit a kid. The mother went on TV saying “I don’t know what happened, he was always great with kids but he just turned all of a sudden.” What they didn’t tell us was the kid had shoved a pencil in the dog’s ear. It went through the ear and into the dog’s brain. So the dog didn’t bite until he had a pencil lodged, literally, in his brain.

My dogs are great with kids, my kid’s friends, kids in the street. But they are never out of my sight together.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Its All U wrote:
If someone shoots my dogs then there is no guess work that mischief is afoot and firearms will be deployed. Justifiably, warning shots will not be fired.

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Your original reply aside, I’m pretty damn sure I like you. Anyone that “deploys” firearms, without warning shots, when “mischief is afoot” is all-fucking-right by me, talking dogs or not. [/quote]

All right then, we’re internet bros. Anyone who lifts weights, likes dogs, can spell and write an entertaining and witty response is alright in my book.

I will second the comments on dogs and kids. Kids do some dumb and sometimes mean things when mom & dad aren’t looking. A dog doesn’t have to do much to put a serious wound on somebody especially a kid.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
does being hard ass mean that much?[/quote]

If you are genuinely relying upon your dog for protection, say as a police officer or security guard, then yes it does matter. Very much. Good nerve and excellent training are essential.

If you just want your dog to bark if you feel threatened and make you the least appealing target, or your house the most hassle to burgle, then no it doesn’t. If you have dogs who bark and your neighbour doesn’t, guess who is going to get robbed first? A maltese terrier will serve this role quite well, when you think about it all a home security alarm does is make a lot of noise.

Just don’t make bad choices because you have too much confidence in your dog. For e.g. don’t take the short-cut through the poorly lit alley making a night trip to the store because you have your dog with you. The example might seem a bit ridiculous to you, but people do make these sorts of decisions.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And you dog owners that spout about ALPHA this and PACK that don’t kid yourselves - no dominant dog sees a child as alpha. [/quote]

I bought a remote controlled food dispenser once. My dogs were very loyal to this remote controlled food dispenser. It was definitely the ALPHA robot, I was starting to worry about a robot uprising in my own home. I always made sure the robot went through doorways after me and wasn’t allowed on the couch, that kept me at the top of the pack.

[quote]DragnCarry wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And you dog owners that spout about ALPHA this and PACK that don’t kid yourselves - no dominant dog sees a child as alpha. [/quote]

I bought a remote controlled food dispenser once. My dogs were very loyal to this remote controlled food dispenser. It was definitely the ALPHA robot, I was starting to worry about a robot uprising in my own home. I always made sure the robot went through doorways after me and wasn’t allowed on the couch, that kept me at the top of the pack.
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Make sure that you kennel the dispenser night and day too to ensure you don’t get a warning letter from Ed at Leerburg- lol

[quote]DragnCarry wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And you dog owners that spout about ALPHA this and PACK that don’t kid yourselves - no dominant dog sees a child as alpha. [/quote]

I bought a remote controlled food dispenser once. My dogs were very loyal to this remote controlled food dispenser. It was definitely the ALPHA robot, I was starting to worry about a robot uprising in my own home. I always made sure the robot went through doorways after me and wasn’t allowed on the couch, that kept me at the top of the pack.
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Tangent, but once I learned that when there’s multiple cats in a house, the dominate one will refuse to bury its poo? (Yeah, that’s right, it’s challenging you when it leaves it out for you.)

Anyway, I’m now convinced the cure for that sort of behavior is to take the top off the litter box and leave your cat a deuce.