I have 3 kids and I understand what you are going through. My wife and I were going down a bad path (she had her own issues too) and probably 6-12 months from divorce. TRT has made me whole, fixed me as a man, a father, and a husband. She got her situation under control too (iron deficiency etc) and we went from sex 1 time a month to 5-6 times a week…she would do it every night if she could but I gotta get some sleep! I get up way before her. But sometimes I make the sacrifice 
Hormones man…all fucked up hormones. I was crying all the time too, falling asleep at the dinner table, getting super angry at the tiniest shit. You are not alone.
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Doctors participating in managed healthcare cannot prescribe TRT >300 ng/dL, they we turn around and lie to you that your levels are normal because they are in range. The big problem is testosterone levels should account for age, young men have high testosterone on the higher end and old men low testosterone on the lower end.
The problem is steroids are demonized in western medicine, most doctors are taught TRT causes prostate cancer, stokes and heart attacks. The latter two are more likely to happen to those with TT on the lower end.
The endocrine society’s position levels under 300 ng/dL or FT under 5 ng/dL which is utterly ridiculous, most men are symptomatic at 10-12 ng/dL and some are symptomatic even higher which is do to the variability in androgen receptor sensitivity or CAG receptor repeat lengths.
The average TT for someone 35-44 years old is 668 ng/dL, now you know where you stand, the levels old retired old men with one foot in the grave.
You should ask yourself why does out medical system want to keep our hormone levels in ranges associated with a lot of horrible disease, I wonder…
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I feel the same way…what do I do if I don’t hit under 250? Do I have any options? Is there any doctors here or connections to doctors that will help me out of state over the Internet or phone with just my labs I am getting tomorrow?
If I score over 250>350, how do I convince my Euro to prescribe? I have all the symptoms and bad…real bad…
I could not respond anymore yesterday due to limited amount of replies for a new member on their first day.
Cut sleep or stop sleeping and drink booze is usually the way to get it to drop significantly. Im not advocating this just saying it can be done.
No sleep and have some drinks tonight. Thank you
Will have two tablespoons of sugar before walking in the door help?
Never heard of that one.
Your doctor cannot give you TRT if T is in range, it’s how the game is played. If your doctors breaks the rules, the insurance company will deny reimbursement and the doctor will eat the cost and stop your treatment.
I know you have bad symptoms and I feel for you, but don’t think of your doctor not like saint, a savoir or a god in a lab coat, think of him like a car salesman who only cares about getting paid.
If you need viagra, an antidepressant or opioids, your doctor will hook you up without a fight all without any lab testing looking for a viagra deficiency. Drugs fuel the medical industry, not hormones and your doctors makes more money prescribing drugs and almost nothing prescribing TRT.
He doesn’t care about your symptoms, he’s not the one suffering.
@systemlord So what are my options if he denies? Can I get him to prescribe for erectile function and just pay out of pocket or am I looking at buying from a guy at the gym or an online site?
@systemlord @NH_Watts I am not letting anything stop me. I won’t slow down because a guy in a white smock says no… I want to live a good life. I want this yesterday.
@systemlord @NH_Watts my email is mightytinfoil@gmail.com. If you have any info or sources that could point me in the right direction if my doc says no. I would be in your debt.
There private TRT specialists who prescribe TRT all day every day and are very good at it, the private practice TRT specialists is where you should be seeking treatment for androgen deficiencies, not in sick care because then you have to play there sick little games.
The insurance company dictate who gets treatment, not your doctor.
You are in the US? If so your options are plenty, since you cut out the insurance companies TRT can be prescribe to almost anyone.
I am in Wisconsin.
I heard there is a numale clinic in Greenbay
You’ll need a telemedicine clinic, but be careful of the TRT clinics which force weekly office visits for your injection. Treatment needs to be tailored to the patients needs and a lot of these TRT clinics are in it for the money offering everyone the same cookie cutter protocols which sees a high patient turnover rate.
A lot of them find their way here. You got mail.
I just emailed you about my doc if you need one. No office visits or anything. All over the phone. If you want assistance they are there for you but if you want to be left alone like I do then there’s no hassles. There’s plenty of docs out like this one.
I went this morning to the eurologist. I walked out after talking to him for ten minutes. He wanted to do one injection every two weeks and wanted to keep it that way for months to “learn” what my needs were. It was a complete joke. He said he had guys walking around in the 120 range that were just fine… Said if I wanted something else then I should go see a male clinic like numale but told me that they had zero respect in the medical industry. I walked out. Got a hold of a dr says and the rest is history. I drove an hour and a half to get my blood drawn at the lab they sent me to and I am sitting in a drs office waiting for my physical now. After that I will send them all the info and in a few weeks I should have my treatment in the mail. I have never felt so insulted and not cared about in a long time. Dr. Saya on the other hand seems more then competent.
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He’s full of sh*t, so his target for his patients is a TT of 120 ng/dL, he is just afraid to deviate from standard of care because if something happens to you, he is liable. Poor fool probably believes high testosterone causes prostate cancer, and is why he is comfortable with low levels.
This is the sh*t you are faced with seeking TRT in sick care, going private makes more sense.
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