[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:Actually, I don’t think the serpent lied to Adam and Eve.[/quote]Half truth, omitting the most important half as usual.[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:I always just kinda wish they’d eaten of the tree of life first.[/quote]It still would’ve been disobedience though.
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Sorry, what was half truth? What the serpent told them to get them to eat was true, was it not? They were mislead, but not lied to.
And my comment of the tree of life was just thinking about how it would have turned out differently if man were immortal. Because they weren’t originally forbidden from the tree of life. They were only denied immortality after sinning. I just wonder what would have happened if they’d eaten from the tree of life. I wasn’t saying that it would have made it not a sin.[/quote]I was saying they were told a half truth, not that you were necessarily conveying one if that’s how you understandably took it. They would indeed gain knowledge of evil but they already had knowledge of good and were already like God being created in His image. In a nutshell. I’m at work.
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But does not god know both good and evil? wouldn’t, at least in a way, knowing evil make us more like god?
I’ve always read it in a way that Adam and Eve in full knowlege of what they were doing chose to sin. If they were outright tricked and lied to, while not even knowing what a lie was, it would make them less culpable, no?
Saying they were lied to, in my eyes removes blame from Adam and Eve because they could not have been prepared to detect a lie.
They chose to disobey, regardless of any action of the serpent.[/quote]
This is some twisted stuff dude, I’m not exactly sure where to cut the fat if I may use that term.
Um…in order for it to be a sin, Adam and Eve had to be knowledgeable, willing, and it had to be a grave matter. It matched all three of those things, they had the knowledge (don’t eat the fruit), the were willing, and it was a grave matter (broke G-d’s commandment).
Yes, deceit came from the Lucifer, but that doesn’t matter. All lies come from Lucifer, that doesn’t release us from our culpability (knowledge and willingness). If you know the 7th commandment, and I say to you, “Why does G-d command you not to break the 7th commandment?” And, you answer me, “Because G-d commands it that we shall not steal, and lest perhaps we die.” And, I say, “No, you shall not die. But, G-d knows that if you steal that you shall become rich as gods!” Are you going to buy it, you going to try and make yourself G-d when you know G-d only speaks the truth, who you going to believe a serpent or G-d, your creator? Are you going to tell me, “get behind me Satan?” You shouldn’t believe me, but Adam and Eve believed the serpent because they wished to be gods.
