[quote]valiance. wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
I agree with the title of the thread.
Go, Obama.
Go, go, go.
Doesn’t matter where.
Just go.
How about into the Oval Office?[/quote]
I want to nail his wife and make him watch.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance? [/quote]
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance?
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.[/quote]
Which talk shows? I don’t think even guys like ole Bill O. would make claims like that. Then again, I don’t have tv anymore, times could have changed since I last watched.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I’m just having a bit of fun mate. Listen, if you still think Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya with Indonesian citizenship, then there’s not really much that can be done to argue against you.
But I wonder, why hasn’t anyone stopped this man from taking power if any of that were true? Are the republicans really so weak that they could let one of those things slip by them? Is the media really so strong? Illuminati perchance? Why hasn’t the govenor of Cali paid the guys who covered this up so well to work for him? Or has he?
I still like the idea he is a martian,
who knows, I think it more has to do with who cares?
Laws are only valid if enforced. The part that concerns me more is the fact that he would have never been able to get clearence to classified inormation given his past and soon he will know everything and have alot of power to act on that.
but hopefully things will work out.
This is another incorrect belief. I know many people with security clearances (Secret, top secret and beyond) from work, school, and just friends (not a hard thing to do in DC) and I’ve specifically asked this very question. While the initial process to receive clearance might take longer, he certainly would be able to receive clearance. The idea that he couldn’t receive clearance because he’s lived abroad, or b/c he is tangentially associated with this person or that, is simply incorrect.
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance? [/quote]
What is a Security Clearance?
Having served in the U.S. military, law enforcement, and as a civilian government contractor, I?ve had my fair share of background investigations. The United States government employs a multitier security clearance paradigm.
Confidential ? Unauthorized disclosure could cause ?damage to national security.?
Secret ? Unauthorized disclosure could cause ?serious damage to national security.?
Top Secret ? Unauthorized disclosure could cause ?exceptionally grave damage to national security.?
Each level of access requires a progressively more in-depth background investigation before the clearance is obtained. The President of the United States should be able to flawlessly pass the most extensive investigation and a polygraph test. Both are required for workers in some Special Access Programs classified Top Secret.
The purpose of the clearance is to determine an individual?s honesty, trustworthiness, reliability, financial responsibility, criminal activity, emotional stability, foreign influences, family associations, drug use, mental health, judicial proceedings, employment history, traits of character, and loyalty to the United States. This collective data is used to evaluate your ability and willingness to safeguard national secrets. Based on the facts about Barack Obama, he fails to satisfy the minimum requirements for even a basic secret clearance. His background investigation would have ?Red Flags? shooting up in so many places; the issuing panel would deny him a clearance outright.
Obama?s Answers on the Security Clearance Application
Instead of going through all the Security Clearance Application questions, I?ll examine the questions that would deny Barack Obama a Secret Clearance.
List foreign national relatives whom you or your spouse are bound by affection, obligation, or close and continuing contact.
Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. of Kenya, and Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesian oil manager his mother married. These two foreign relatives would probably initiate a Defensive Security Services or Department of Defense investigation that would take roughly a year to explore. I?m not sure how many degrees of separation are involved, but Obama Sr. and Soetoro?s associations are not friendly to the United States. However, they are not the primary concern.
Barack Obama?s brother, his kin Abongo Obama, is a militant Muslim who has been quoted saying, ?A black man must liberate himself from the poisons of European cultures and western values.? Obama?s paternal cousin, Raila Odinga is also a Muslim extremist who recently lost the Kenyan Presidential election to a Christian. How can such relations exist between the President of the United States and radical Muslims?
Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities?
Have you ever knowingly engaged in any acts or activities designed to overthrow the United States Government by force?
These two questions go hand and hand. Having gone through the interview phase of the clearance process a number of times, I can?t image the look on the face of the investigator nor the sheer amount of time it would take to explain Barack Obama?s anti American ties.
Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist and granted funding to a controversial Arab group that dubbed the creation of Israel as a ?catastrophe.? The founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti western terrorism.
Barack Obama also served on the Wood?s Fund board with William Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972. Bill Ayers has killed hundreds of civilians, police officers, and was recently quoted saying, ?I don?t regret setting bombs, I feel we didn?t do enough.?
I would deny a security clearance for anybody that even shook these men?s hands, never mind launching a campaign from Ayer?s living room.
Have you illegally used any controlled substance, for example, marijuana, cocaine, crack cocaine, hashish, narcotics (opium, morphine, codeine, heroin, etc.), amphetamines, depressants (barbiturates, methaqualone, tranquilizers, etc.), hallucinogenics (LSD, PCP, etc.), or prescription drugs?
Barack Obama has specifically admitted to using marijuana and cocaine in his book ?Dreams From My Father.? He even confesses pursuing heroin, but was scared of the drug dealer. A clearance question such as this is used to test someone?s ethical fortitude to stand up for what is right, legally forbidden, and ultimately make correct decisions. Obama fails this test with his weakness to deny temptation.
At one point, FDR had his clearance for codebreaking intercepts pulled. That’s one of the things that people often think was just Hollywood fiction in “Tora, Tora, Tora.”
There is a difference between security clearance top secret security clearance.
I can get security clearance to work in certain areas, but I couldn’t qualify for top secret security clearance and I have no where near the past Obama does.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance?
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.
Which talk shows? I don’t think even guys like ole Bill O. would make claims like that. Then again, I don’t have tv anymore, times could have changed since I last watched.[/quote]
It isn’t loony side anything.
I have experience with this from research with bio agents.
I was only granted certain security clearances, due to certain involvements.
The biggest thing was a friend who was arrested for being a coc dealer and took the fall for everyone. He was this before I knew him, and I met him after got out. But it was still enough to not grant certain clearances.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance?
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.[/quote]
But they sure are entertaining! In a cute, tin foil hat, bunker full of weapons, hysterical sort of way.
apbt55,
I have a hard time understanding how someone who seems to know as much as you do about security clearances can draw the conclusions you have. Obama’s history is not all that different from many who have security clearances. Take my friend’s soon-to-be husband for example. He works for a DoD contractor. He’s recently graduated to, as he claims, “above top secret.” He grew up in thailand to missionary parents, had a few wild teenage years, has traveled the world, and still got clearance. He said the initial application (for secret) took A LONG time, top secret was a snap, and then it took a rather long time for his current status.
People are denied clearance for a lot of reasons, but I doubt any of what you’ve listed would have prevented Obama from receiving clearance. This is why those of us who live and work around government think you’re being quite loony.
[quote]Christine wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance?
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.
But they sure are entertaining! In a cute, tin foil hat, bunker full of weapons, hysterical sort of way.[/quote]
This is one of the things that keeps me coming back to this forum!
You’re all idiots. It was all a plot to steal the Hope diamond. You’ve been played.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Christine wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance?
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.
But they sure are entertaining! In a cute, tin foil hat, bunker full of weapons, hysterical sort of way.
This is one of the things that keeps me coming back to this forum!
Don’t fool yourself; this woman is crazier than most of us. Trust me. ;-)[/quote]
Are you kidding me? It’s the craziness from all y’all that I love!
Obama is a Kenyan-born, Indonesian citizen who is a racist and whose wife hates whites!!! Did I mention he is in league with the muslim president of Kenya???
[quote]Makavali wrote:
You’re all idiots. It was all a plot to steal the Hope diamond. You’ve been played.[/quote]
I know! He was in league with McCain the whole time!
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Makavali wrote:
You’re all idiots. It was all a plot to steal the Hope diamond. You’ve been played.
I know! He was in league with McCain the whole time![/quote]
And Palin!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Christine wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
What in the world made you think he couldn’t receive clearance?
They must believe everything they hear on extreme right talk news shows. The hysteria the “conservative right” has shown on this issue makes all of their claims about a “loony left” seem like a fucking joke.
But they sure are entertaining! In a cute, tin foil hat, bunker full of weapons, hysterical sort of way.
This is one of the things that keeps me coming back to this forum!
Don’t fool yourself; this woman is crazier than most of us. Trust me. ;-)[/quote]
But I’m not plum crazy so you still have me beat.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Makavali wrote:
You’re all idiots. It was all a plot to steal the Hope diamond. You’ve been played.
I know! He was in league with McCain the whole time!
And Palin![/quote]
The goat-sucking goblin. I told everyone she was evil.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Makavali wrote:
You’re all idiots. It was all a plot to steal the Hope diamond. You’ve been played.
I know! He was in league with McCain the whole time!
And Palin!
The goat-sucking goblin. I told everyone she was evil.
You’ve also struggled mightily to convince us you’re sane.[/quote]
Right on at least two counts I am then.
Just admit it, Push. You know deep down that my judgment is superior.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
…Just admit it, Push. You know deep down that my judgment is superior.
I think in many respects your judgment is uncannily superior. Not necessarily the respects that you wish me to think but nonetheless…
[/quote]
You’ll come around. You’ll see the light eventually. My judgment in most respects is quite superior.
[quote]pat wrote:
valiance. wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
I agree with the title of the thread.
Go, Obama.
Go, go, go.
Doesn’t matter where.
Just go.
How about into the Oval Office?
I want to nail his wife and make him watch.[/quote]
so you’re NOT a fan of his then?
C-walks to Young Jeezy