On the bright side, with enough global warming, eventually all the world’s beer will be as warm as yours. 
One more time for all of you Gloom and Doomers- go read the magnum opus of your Godfather, Paul Ehrlich. Verify the stunning, pin-point accuracy of his scientific projections by going to the food court of any mall and observing the patrons thereof. If that doens’t work, go to any supermarket and observe all of the bare shelves.
And for the bonus quiz money shot- What did Easy Money Ehrlich bet on back in the day? Who did he bet with? Who was all mouthy? Who lost his ass?
Reality is a real bitch for some of you guys ain’t it, the way it slaps around your ideology?
I say old boy- The new Minis are all that, fine German engineering indeed.
True, we Yanks do kill each other at far higher rates, but in other violent crime you Brits have surpassed us.
Nice jab with the STD clinic, but my car is an Acura. The Japanese are know to be a clean and tidy lot, so try again.
Nice clean up of your spelling, grammar and punctuation.
Cheers, Schrauper
[quote]schrauper wrote:
I say old boy- The new Minis are all that, fine German engineering indeed.
True, we Yanks do kill each other at far higher rates, but in other violent crime you Brits have surpassed us.
Nice jab with the STD clinic, but my car is an Acura. The Japanese are know to be a clean and tidy lot, so try again.
Nice clean up of your spelling, grammar and punctuation.
Cheers, Schrauper[/quote]
LOL!!
Ironic how the mini is now german. made in england, engines from brazil of all places, but typically (like rolls royce) it takes Germanic engineering to make it great.
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
Buddy, you obviously know nothing about the earth’s climate. A change in 1 degree change in the total average temperature is very significant.[/quote]
No it isn’t. Ummm… Especially over forty years.
Do you understand average? What it means is that data can be skewed more by an anomalous data point that say, a mean or median score of the same data. I wonder if it really was a whole 0.9 degree, to be honest with you. Either way, we’re talking about taking data from the 60’s (I’m sure it’s perfectly accurate, the instruments were so precise back then) and then using that data to project a catastrophe which isn’t even warranted by any stretch of the imagination except in the minds of the hacks who are trying to get published. Put down the Kool-Aid and step away from the table.
Okay. If that temperature rise in the oceans was ten degrees, then I’d start to worry. This is less than one degree. Sorry, but I’m not scared. At all.
It is not a serious issue, pal. These guys who are spouting doom and gloom are trying to make a buck each in their own way. I don’t know how else I can put it to you. Enjoy life, and tell those people who try to tell you how to act and think to go to hell. It’s not that folks like me don’t care about the planet, it’s just that we know that there’s a difference between not giving a shit and knowing when to not step in it.
Oh great, tried to take a break from the political thread, and I let myself get pulled back in.
First did anyone look at the chart I posted? Is the world warming up? Yes it is. Are we at fault? Possibly, but this is still within the normal range. Half a degree is nothing just because we have so far to go to even get to the average temperature over the past 3,000 years.
And we are way below what the high was over this time.
Now if you are willing to go way back, we are talking about a good 20 degrees warmer then it is now.
And when people looked into the fluctuations in temperature, guess what? They didn?t find any negative effect on life. No massive die off of animals, or anything. (Although the sudden 300 foot jump in ocean levels about 13,000 years ago ruined some major beachfront property, and probably killed quite a few people.)
Look at my chart again. The temperature has been climbing since the little ice age ended. If we are truly responsible for this, then we started a good 400 years ago.
But we still have a degree to get to where we were in the year 1500, and almost another 2 before we reach where we were in the year 1000.
We have only recovered about 3 out of the 4 degrees we lost due to the little ice age.
Then again there was a 4 degree jump from about 1400 to about 1500, so I wonder if that was global warming? Hell of a lot faster increase then what we have seen, or what the scientists are predicting.
If you cannot take this history into account, then you are full of it.
And one final thing, that article was so full of it. How often do scientists go to the press before they offer their paper to a journal for peer review? Too often when that is seen, it means there is something more involved then science. They want to influence the public before it can be challenged by science. I have seen this before. I think cold fusion was publicized the same way.
Hahaha Mage thought he could ignore his bullshit radar! Nice try, bubba. See you back here tomorrow.
Mage,
I like that thing you said back on page 1, something like “back in the time of the dinosaurs, the earth was 20 degrees warmer.”
Look in the mirror, do you see a stegosaurus staring back at you? If so, global warming may be for you!
Ok, I’ll proceed to look at your chart now.
End of post to pointlessly keep this thread alive
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
Mage,
I like that thing you said back on page 1, something like “back in the time of the dinosaurs, the earth was 20 degrees warmer.”
Look in the mirror, do you see a stegosaurus staring back at you? If so, global warming may be for you!
Ok, I’ll proceed to look at your chart now.
End of post to pointlessly keep this thread alive[/quote]
Yup, damn bastard Humans killed the dinosaurs.
Seriously I don’t think you got what I was saying. The world was warmer, and it was colder. Humans survived, and so did a lot of species.
Now there has been a big change. Regardless of human intervention, the Earth used to have a much higher level of oxygen. (They researched ancient air found in amber, and after subjecting one 2 years of analysis, they determined that the air inside could survive to modern times without contamination.
The Earth also used to have a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere. So even if they were able to bring a dinosaur back ala Jurassic Park, it could not survive the low oxygen levels. (Wait, higher levels of oxygen, and lower levels of CO2, but 20 degrees warmer. Hmmm.)
What I am trying to say is that the Earth goes through changes. Just the last 3,000 years shows that, and if you go back even further, you are getting into some major temperature changes. A change of as much as 20 degrees over a 50-year period is not unheard of. historically.
And now people are complaining about a half a degree when we still have not reached the average temperature over the past 3,000 years.
All I am saying is that with all of this data showing the phenomenal changes in temperature that are completely normal, why are people going so crazy over such small increments?
Sure I say make the world cleaner. I have no problem with intelligent environmentalism. What I don?t like is all of this doom and gloom, as though the Earth is going to explode tomorrow because of a minor temperature change. Lets not jump the gun right now.
Again first it must be proven that global warming is happening. I don?t doubt the temperature is on an incline. Then we need to prove that it is in fact people that are causing it. Not in the political arena, because they will never get it right, but by actual scientists, preferably without political bias.
Then we need to find out if it is actually bad. There are a lot of scientists that actually believe that global warming may be beneficial. Instead of screaming, ?Oh no, the water is half a degree warmer!? Lets find out if we really need to care or not.
The actions everyone is talking about hurt business, especially in America. (I think this is what is secretly pushing a lot of this stuff actually.) If we are going to hurt the world economy to prevent the possibility of global warming that we might or might not have a hand in, because people have the notion that it might be bad, I have a problem.
What I am asking for is absolute proof that we will benefit, or prevent a disaster. But right now all everyone has are shaky theories based on conjecture, and bad science.
Why are they using models that show in increase in CO2 that is 2.5 as much as what is actually being created?
The earliest I remember people complaining about this is the late 70?s, when I was in grade school. I also remember hearing about how we were going to run out of oil by the end of the century, and the population was supposed to increase so much it was hard to walk around, and people would be starving everywhere.
Now I know that the biggest reason people are starving is because of politics. We pretty much got rid of malaria in this country because of DDT. But will not allow Africa to use it. Even though more people are killed because of malaria then what they even thought DDT would kill. And even that is based on bullshit science.