Global Warming My Ass...

[quote]artw wrote:

I live in the middle of the Sacramento Valley, or the “desert” as you call it. While I agree with points 2 and 3 to a certain extent, the California farming community does NOT exist in a desert.

Also, my father was in charge of a cost-effectiveness analysis concerning the construction of a desalinization plant on the coast just north of Santa Cruz. It is NOT cost-effective at this point to build a desalinization plant. It may be in the future, but given the amount of plants needed just to supply California alone with sufficient water from the ocean, it is nowhere near cost-effective right now. My father isn’t a scientist (he’s in charge of all construction projects at UC Santa Cruz) so his study didn’t address the net effect on global warming or water pollution in the state, but from a pure dollars and cents standpoint, desalinization plants are not the way to go yet.

There are steps being taken to make desalinization feasible, but right now it would literally take close to 600 billion dollars just to supply the state’s CURRENT population with water through desalinization. It’s on par with the wild claim that wind and solar technology are capable of eliminating our need for foreign oil.[/quote]

That’s what is holding desalination plants back. Nobody wants to invest. You build one plant and you put it in operation. You get a couple thousand people to come look at it. Let them put their eyes and hands on a working and operational plant, gather information, then go build another. Desalination plants today are like the Model-T Ford, but if you continuously build and refine then you may end up with the Enzo Ferrari of desalination plants.

Besides you don’t have to provide water for all of California, just the overpopulated metroplex/s where y’all packed in more people than the local reservoirs were ever meant to supply.

[quote]fredarn wrote:

One of my favorite Carlin clips…along with his entropy bit.

[quote]Kai9ne wrote:
Not sure what I believe about global warming, but as far as the catastrophic impact man can have on an ecosystem in a short period of time? Anyone familiar with the Dust Bowl? Global warming might be total bullshit but to assume that constant pollution and other irresponsible practices (farming, business, etc.) isn’t eventually going to have a negative impact of some form is FUCKING RETARDED!

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We could see another dust bowl in our lifetimes. Many of the practices that brought the dust bowl to an end, crop rotation, specific plowing practices, etc… Have been shelved because they are less economical and modern irrigation technology made the practices unnecessary. If water shortages and droughts become prevalent we could easily waltz ourselves into another dust bowel.

Tossing this in as another option. Take it for what you feel it is worth:

Matthew 24 - The description of the last days. Doesn’t say specifically that there will be global warming, but does talk about food shortages, earthquakes. Also talks about people’s general respect and kindness toward other humans will cool drastically.

Some people believe this to be the real answer to things.

[quote]artw wrote:

[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
Don’t care. We aren’t destroying the world, the coming and going of ice ages is a natural process as is the changing of the thermohaline circulation (what that conveyor belt dude was talking about).

I’ll be dead long before the earth will be burnt up, so fuck this whole global warming crap.[/quote]

While the cooling/warming of the globe is a cyclical, natural process, the changes that have occurred in the last hundred years previously took thousands of years to happen. People don’t realize that even a slight change in the Earth’s temperature could be catastrophic. A six degree change in the Earth’s temperature in either direction may sound like nothing, but if it were to happen, we would be in another ice age or we would experience massive flooding along the coasts of every continent. Even a one degree shift in either direction would be near-catastrophic.

And as for the claims by previous posters that this global warming “theory” (kind of like calling evolution a theory) is some scam created by Al Gore is immaterial. Whether or not people are getting rich off of “green technology” is not evidence of some massive, far-reaching conspiracy. Treating this issue like a political, partisan issue is foolish. It’s like turning the fact that clean drinking water is inaccessible to 90% of the world into a political issue. The reason it has turned into a political issue is due to many things, but it is not due to a lack of credibility on the part of scientists who argue that global warming is occurring. I find it amazing that “liberals” (of which I am NOT) believe that warming is happening and “conservatives” do not believe so.

It’s due to a lack of education on the topic. It’s also due to the fact that, in general, big business is represented by Republicans and big businesses that pump huge amounts of carbon emissions into the atmosphere stand to lose a lot of money if they are forced to enact certain regulations to reduce carbon emissions.

The writing is on the wall. 9 out of 10 scientists agree that global warming is occurring at a highly accelerated rate that coincides with a huge, geometric increase in the globe’s population following the Industrial Revolution. People can ignore the facts or search long and hard on the Internet for a scientist who disagrees with this “theory”, but I fear that in another 5 or 10 years those who DO believe that global warming is happening at an accelerated rate due to human-caused carbon emissions will be saying “I told you so.” I certainly hope that I am wrong, but overwhelming anecdotal evidence and credible scientific evidence indicates that I and many others are probably correct.[/quote]

Hey Dude… The saddest fact about cliamte change and the cheif reason we should be concerned about finding a proper response is that the countries it will hit the hardest are already among the poorest and most long suffering. The Copenhagen Consensus dispatched researchers to the worlds most likely global warming hot spots. Their assignment was to locate and ask locals to tell them their views about the problems they face. The things that concerned them the most were and in nearly every case-it wasn’t global warming. People spoke powerfully about the need to focus attention on other matters. 'If I die from malaria tomorrow, why should I care about global warming?" “When my kids don’t have enough to eat Global Warming is not a concern for me.” “There is no need for ice on the mountain if no one is around because of HIV/AIDS.” My point is : The money spent on carbon cuts is money we can’t use for effective investments in food aid, micronutrients, AIDS prevention, health and education infracstructure, clean water, sanitation, etc. By 2100 scientist have estimated that 3% of the planet will have malaria. We should be focusing on the real issues and spend the billions elsewere. I am not saying to completely avoid the issue of global warming, I am simply saying that because alternative energy technologies are not ready to pick up the slack and cutting carbon emission is so expensive, more time and effort needs to be put into R&D for green energy.'The most efficient global carbon cuts designed to keep the average global temperatures from rising any higher than two degrees celcius would cost over $40 trillion a year in lost economic growth by 2100-which would have a marginal impact on controlling global warming and helping the at-risk malaria population." BJORN LOmborg Since the industrial era/over the ast several centuries the world economy has exploded and the human condition improved immeasurably becasue of cheap fossil fuels; we are not going to endthat connection in just a few decades for reasons already addressed above.

And we thought the deficit was the worst thing we could pass along to our children…

But hey, at least we have ignorance, right? Bliss anyone?

[quote]yorik wrote:

  1. Climate change doesn’t happen over 10 years. More like 100+ years.

  2. If part of the earth cools while the other warms, you have net change zero. No “global” warming. You just have a steeper thermocline between regions.

  3. CO2 is not a pollutant, it’s plant food. (Some climate scientist pointed this out.) That’s basic 6th grade science class. We could combat the supposed global warming by planting more trees (and grass, and shrubs etc.) It’s just that the politicians can’t increase their control over the populations using that solution.

  4. No hurricanes down here in Florida for a while. If the earth was warming we should have lots of them. We don’t.[/quote]

LOLLOLOL No net change? So if deserts get hotter and the tundra’s get colder…we are A okay? This isn’t economics…

CO2 is also a greenhouse gas…kinda like methane. Respiration is the opposite of photosynthesis…but that’s a little more advanced, like 7th grade science. Also, tree’s suck dick with there growth rate. Try something like hemp.

A little fact of the day

[quote]taintedaether wrote:
And we thought the deficit was the worst thing we could pass along to our children…

But hey, at least we have ignorance, right? Bliss anyone?[/quote]

What’s the line from one of RATM’s songs? Oh yeah, “if ignorance is bliss than wipe the smile off my face.” Now I know why people who don’t believe in global warming are always smiling.

[quote]fredarn wrote:

One of my favorite Carlin clips…along with his entropy bit.