We need to live in the Forrest like the Avatar people. I wanna ride those dragon things!!!
Rabble rabble rabble.
Niether side can validate their points conclusively.
Therefore, all opinions lose.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
It seems like there’s a few in this thread that don’t know the difference between climate and weather.[/quote]
+1
[quote]SSC wrote:
Rabble rabble rabble.
Niether side can validate their points conclusively.
Therefore, all opinions lose.[/quote]
JASON GENOVA FTW
It would be so great if he started to post here. In a entertainment way
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the ongoing climategate scandal, needles to say, there’s very little “science” involved with global warming science:
[quote]SSC wrote:
Rabble rabble rabble.
Niether side can validate their points conclusively.
Therefore, all opinions lose.[/quote]
^^^^this
As someone has already stated, the effects of global warming include the heating and cooling of different areas. Global warming is a real thing, but it’s not really a problem, as geo-engineering can take care of everything, literally. If you want a good read on the subject, read the last chapter of SuperFreakonomics. You won’t be disappointed.
It’s to ensure that cap and trade gets the go ahead with carbon tax credit trading so big bankers can make imaginary money again and fuck things up worse.
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Climate change doesn’t happen over 10 years. More like 100+ years.
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If part of the earth cools while the other warms, you have net change zero. No “global” warming. You just have a steeper thermocline between regions.
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CO2 is not a pollutant, it’s plant food. (Some climate scientist pointed this out.) That’s basic 6th grade science class. We could combat the supposed global warming by planting more trees (and grass, and shrubs etc.) It’s just that the politicians can’t increase their control over the populations using that solution.
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No hurricanes down here in Florida for a while. If the earth was warming we should have lots of them. We don’t.
[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
If you guys know the science of the ocean conveyor belt system, you would know that the result of global warming would be the COOLING of certain areas and the HEATING up of others. Just because one particular area on earth is cooling doesn’t necessarily mean the whole theory is debunked. As a matter of fact if the ocean conveyor belt is stopped because of the melting of the Glaciers in Greenland, The North Atlantic Current (which is a warm water current) will be affected and cause the temps in N. Europe to drop drastically.
California is seriously in some shit as far as their water supply is concerned. If something isn’t done 25 million folks are gonna be without fresh water. A lot of folks want to be Nero and play their fiddle as the world burns. Opinions are opinions but the science is there look it up.[/quote]
Their dumb asses got themselves into the mess. They should dig themselves out. They could set the example for the rest of the country if they choose to pull their heads out of their asses
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California farmers are dumb as dirt. They put their farms in the desert.
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Stop planting cash crops that require tons of irrigation. Current agriculture paradigm is seasonal monoculture cash crops. 500 acres dedicated to cantaloupes and nothing but cantaloupes requires a shit-ton of water, fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide, and some major TLC. If they shifted their thinking to perennial polycultures they could layer 8-10 different species of crop producing plants with in that same 500 acres. A combination of summer grasses, winter grasses, legumes, sunflowers, and possibly nut producing trees could be instituted. This would decrease reliance on irrigation, fertilizer, pesticides, and herbicides, while buffering the farmers from the effects of harsh seasons and insect swarms/blooms. Additionally the crop selection could be shifted to take advantage of dryer or wetter climate changes.
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California has what the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th longest coast line in the US. The Pacific Ocean is their Western border. They have a metric shit load of water due west. I have three words for the Governator “Desalination Plant Technology”. It might be a better investment than a $100 billion dollar canal. (On a personal note, while Bush and Obama were tossing out $800 billion dollar economic stimulus packages, rerouting a $100 billion dollars to dig a big-ass ditch probably would have been a better investment.)
You can’t make it rain, but you can adapt to work with what is available.
Greenland is getting colder nice try to the dumb ass before, and second the melting on the other side of the planet is spotted. Plus I just dug 100 plus cars out of 5 feet of snow in Flagstaff. Last year we had a record 3 feet of snow in one day, it didn’t snow until December this year but it dumped a shit ton on America. Global Warming my ass.
Global warming brought on a new ice age…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]schultzie wrote:
It’s to ensure that cap and trade gets the go ahead with carbon tax credit trading so big bankers can make imaginary money again and fuck things up worse.[/quote]
Exactly.
Don’t ever, ever, ever, ever, ever underestimate how much the pursuit of money and power influence every single thing in this universe (and any parallel universes as well) - sometimes negatively, sometimes positively, but never without effect.
Whether it’s science, art, politics, religion, sports, sociology, bodybuilding, or underwater basket-weaving, money and power will be inextricably woven into the fabric.
That’s why all this, “But the peer-reviewed journals…and the x% of scientists who support…and we’ve got to do SOMETHING…etc., etc., etc.,” ad nauseum, must always be considered in light of the pursuit of money and power. Always.
“When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power.”
Alston Chase
[i]I am not arguing that global warming is the same as eugenics. But the similarities are not superficial. And I do claim that open and frank discussion of the data, and of the issues, is being suppressed. Leading scientific journals have taken strong editorial positions of the side of global warming, which, I argue, they have no business doing. Under the circumstances, any scientist who has doubts understands clearly that they will be wise to mute their expression.
One proof of this suppression is the fact that so many of the outspoken critics of global warming are retired professors. These individuals are not longer seeking grants, and no longer have to face colleagues whose grant applications and career advancement may be jeopardized by their criticisms.[/i]
Michael Crichton
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Not really disagreeing with you, but in a way, it makes it almost impossible to decide what information is true, and what is not. Global warming also has to do with the average temperature rising, which, it has.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
Don’t care. We aren’t destroying the world, the coming and going of ice ages is a natural process as is the changing of the thermohaline circulation (what that conveyor belt dude was talking about).
I’ll be dead long before the earth will be burnt up, so fuck this whole global warming crap.[/quote]
While the cooling/warming of the globe is a cyclical, natural process, the changes that have occurred in the last hundred years previously took thousands of years to happen. People don’t realize that even a slight change in the Earth’s temperature could be catastrophic. A six degree change in the Earth’s temperature in either direction may sound like nothing, but if it were to happen, we would be in another ice age or we would experience massive flooding along the coasts of every continent. Even a one degree shift in either direction would be near-catastrophic.
And as for the claims by previous posters that this global warming “theory” (kind of like calling evolution a theory) is some scam created by Al Gore is immaterial. Whether or not people are getting rich off of “green technology” is not evidence of some massive, far-reaching conspiracy. Treating this issue like a political, partisan issue is foolish. It’s like turning the fact that clean drinking water is inaccessible to 90% of the world into a political issue. The reason it has turned into a political issue is due to many things, but it is not due to a lack of credibility on the part of scientists who argue that global warming is occurring. I find it amazing that “liberals” (of which I am NOT) believe that warming is happening and “conservatives” do not believe so.
It’s due to a lack of education on the topic. It’s also due to the fact that, in general, big business is represented by Republicans and big businesses that pump huge amounts of carbon emissions into the atmosphere stand to lose a lot of money if they are forced to enact certain regulations to reduce carbon emissions.
The writing is on the wall. 9 out of 10 scientists agree that global warming is occurring at a highly accelerated rate that coincides with a huge, geometric increase in the globe’s population following the Industrial Revolution. People can ignore the facts or search long and hard on the Internet for a scientist who disagrees with this “theory”, but I fear that in another 5 or 10 years those who DO believe that global warming is happening at an accelerated rate due to human-caused carbon emissions will be saying “I told you so.” I certainly hope that I am wrong, but overwhelming anecdotal evidence and credible scientific evidence indicates that I and many others are probably correct.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
If you guys know the science of the ocean conveyor belt system, you would know that the result of global warming would be the COOLING of certain areas and the HEATING up of others. Just because one particular area on earth is cooling doesn’t necessarily mean the whole theory is debunked. As a matter of fact if the ocean conveyor belt is stopped because of the melting of the Glaciers in Greenland, The North Atlantic Current (which is a warm water current) will be affected and cause the temps in N. Europe to drop drastically.
California is seriously in some shit as far as their water supply is concerned. If something isn’t done 25 million folks are gonna be without fresh water. A lot of folks want to be Nero and play their fiddle as the world burns. Opinions are opinions but the science is there look it up.[/quote]
Their dumb asses got themselves into the mess. They should dig themselves out. They could set the example for the rest of the country if they choose to pull their heads out of their asses
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California farmers are dumb as dirt. They put their farms in the desert.
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Stop planting cash crops that require tons of irrigation. Current agriculture paradigm is seasonal monoculture cash crops. 500 acres dedicated to cantaloupes and nothing but cantaloupes requires a shit-ton of water, fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide, and some major TLC. If they shifted their thinking to perennial polycultures they could layer 8-10 different species of crop producing plants with in that same 500 acres. A combination of summer grasses, winter grasses, legumes, sunflowers, and possibly nut producing trees could be instituted. This would decrease reliance on irrigation, fertilizer, pesticides, and herbicides, while buffering the farmers from the effects of harsh seasons and insect swarms/blooms. Additionally the crop selection could be shifted to take advantage of dryer or wetter climate changes.
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California has what the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th longest coast line in the US. The Pacific Ocean is their Western border. They have a metric shit load of water due west. I have three words for the Governator “Desalination Plant Technology”. It might be a better investment than a $100 billion dollar canal. (On a personal note, while Bush and Obama were tossing out $800 billion dollar economic stimulus packages, rerouting a $100 billion dollars to dig a big-ass ditch probably would have been a better investment.)
You can’t make it rain, but you can adapt to work with what is available.[/quote]
I live in the middle of the Sacramento Valley, or the “desert” as you call it. While I agree with points 2 and 3 to a certain extent, the California farming community does NOT exist in a desert.
Also, my father was in charge of a cost-effectiveness analysis concerning the construction of a desalinization plant on the coast just north of Santa Cruz. It is NOT cost-effective at this point to build a desalinization plant. It may be in the future, but given the amount of plants needed just to supply California alone with sufficient water from the ocean, it is nowhere near cost-effective right now. My father isn’t a scientist (he’s in charge of all construction projects at UC Santa Cruz) so his study didn’t address the net effect on global warming or water pollution in the state, but from a pure dollars and cents standpoint, desalinization plants are not the way to go yet.
There are steps being taken to make desalinization feasible, but right now it would literally take close to 600 billion dollars just to supply the state’s CURRENT population with water through desalinization. It’s on par with the wild claim that wind and solar technology are capable of eliminating our need for foreign oil.
[quote]Defiance wrote:
All i know is that i almost died when i walked to the gym a few days ago. Fucking -55 Celsius![/quote]
Wow, that’s not bas… Where do you live?
I’m in Norway… It’s about -20 Celsius here now, and it’s gonna be like that for the next three weeks 
Not sure what I believe about global warming, but as far as the catastrophic impact man can have on an ecosystem in a short period of time? Anyone familiar with the Dust Bowl? Global warming might be total bullshit but to assume that constant pollution and other irresponsible practices (farming, business, etc.) isn’t eventually going to have a negative impact of some form is FUCKING RETARDED!
I’m not suggesting anyone should care, fuck it if you don’t whatever, but I personally find it hard to believe that we don’t have plenty modern technology that can be utilized in industry and elsewhere for clean responsible living without adversely effecting overall profits and comfortable living. Btw, before anyone makes any Jackass comments, I’m neither a Liberal or a conservative.
i am not sure about global warming, it may be 50-50, but the sea level is raising in my country.
many coastal regions are flooded - high tide are getting higher, while it never occurred some 20 or more years before.
well, among other things i would also blame bad drainage and land descending (subsidence) because of uncontrollable ground water pumping.
a friend who is in hotel business in maldives also says the same thing.
some of the news link about problem in indonesia:
As far as Climategate/Copenhagen/The rising average temperature goes: what about the claims by Russia that Siberian climate was not taken into account when they calculated the “rising average temperature”? I’d imagine that large of a land mass and how cold it is would’ve had an effect on the final numbers. If Russia’s claims are true, what would that do to the “average global temperature”?