Glenn Beck: $20 Bill Depicts 9/11

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

…Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population.”[/quote]

Really? Did he now? Hmmmm…“Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.”

Excerpted from page 787 - 788 of “Ecoscience” coauthored by John Holdren in 1977.

BlueCock, your apology accepted in advance. “Please try to spend at least 0.05s fact checking before posting in the future as it helps avoid weakening your argument unnecessarily.”

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/[/quote]

You evidently haven’t read the book and haven’t seen the context that passage is set in. Try spending a little more than 0.05 seconds on your fact checking so that you actually have some substance to what you write instead of just parroting from someone elses bullshit.[/quote]

No parroting except for what he himself wrote. But I’m sure you DID read the book so you can “explain” it to us, right?[/quote]

The excerpt was taken from a part of the book where he was talking about ideas that had been suggested then rejected. He was not proposing it as a solution to anything.

Next!

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

…Glen Beck lied about Van Jones’ involvement in the Rodney King riots…

[/quote]Did he now?

"Jones says he became politically radicalized in the aftermath of the deadly April 1992 Los Angeles riots which erupted shortly after four L.A. police officers who had beaten the now-infamous Rodney King were exonerated in court. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th,” says Jones, “and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.”

In early May 1992, after the L.A. riots had ended, Jones was dispatched by LCCR Executive Director Eva Patterson to serve as a legal monitor at a nonviolent protest (against the Rodney King verdicts) in San Francisco. Local police, fearful that the event would devolve into violence, stopped the proceedings and arrested many of the participants, including all the legal monitors. Jones spent a short time in jail, and all charges against him were subsequently dropped.

Recalling his brief incarceration, Jones says: “I met all these young radical people of color. I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”

In Jones’ own words,

"In the wake of the verdicts, Los Angeles exploded in blood and flames.

Also that week, there were disturbances and rebellions in 100 other U.S. cities. One of them was San Francisco (where I was then working as a law student intern).

Recently, I discovered an essay that I wrote at the time. It captures the pain, frustration and aspirations of a much younger person. But I think it speaks well to the thought process of many young activists at that time.

Ironically, days after I wrote this essay, San Francisco police officers illegally arrested me and hundreds of other participants in a peaceful protest march."

BlueCock, I have a feeling this is going to be fun. Thanks for posting that list. Adios a lo que poca credibilidad usted tenia.

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Did you even read what you cut and pasted?

Beck claimed that Van Jones had spent time in prison for being involved in LA riots. Van Jones was in fact briefly detained by the police without being formally charged for his involvement in a peaceful demonstration in San Francisco. Beck was lying, again.

Any chance you are going to respond on the Gold issue?[/quote]

Link us to the video that shows Beck claiming Van Jones had spent time in prison for being involved in the LA riots. Every Beck source I looked at says Jones was “arrested” for activities related to the riots, that is, the truth. I’m not saying he didn’t make the claim, just challenging you to back it up with something other than hearsay.[/quote]

Kind of tough when the vids are being pulled down from Youtube like there is no tomorrow. I will have a dig and see if I can find it elsewhere.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

…Any chance you are going to respond on the Gold issue?[/quote]

Oh there can be no doubt that Beck is so powerful that he can directly influence the global price for gold. I think you’re on to something here, Cockster. Run with it, baby.

The rumor mill has it he is going to help boost molybdenum prices next. I plan to be on board that tidal wave to retirement riches.

After that I have a hunch he’ll make a few choice statements about how much he likes bacon for breakfast and whoosh>>> off go the pork belly futures into the stratosphere.[/quote]

Right, if you cannot see the problem with a Fox News infortainment guy using his daily infortainment session to scare people about the economy and telling them that the only safe recourse is gold whilst being a spokesman for Goldline whilst at the same time claiming to be a voice in the wilderness against the corruption in America then Fox is probably the perfect channel for you. You keep swallowing the soundbites and believing that you are hearing the truth not the mainstream media.

For the record, I am not saying Beck is any worse than the guys on the liberal networks (though he does come across as a bigger douche) all I am saying is that he is just as bad.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

…Glen Beck lied about Van Jones’ involvement in the Rodney King riots…

[/quote]Did he now?

"Jones says he became politically radicalized in the aftermath of the deadly April 1992 Los Angeles riots which erupted shortly after four L.A. police officers who had beaten the now-infamous Rodney King were exonerated in court. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th,” says Jones, “and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.”

In early May 1992, after the L.A. riots had ended, Jones was dispatched by LCCR Executive Director Eva Patterson to serve as a legal monitor at a nonviolent protest (against the Rodney King verdicts) in San Francisco. Local police, fearful that the event would devolve into violence, stopped the proceedings and arrested many of the participants, including all the legal monitors. Jones spent a short time in jail, and all charges against him were subsequently dropped.

Recalling his brief incarceration, Jones says: “I met all these young radical people of color. I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”

In Jones’ own words,

"In the wake of the verdicts, Los Angeles exploded in blood and flames.

Also that week, there were disturbances and rebellions in 100 other U.S. cities. One of them was San Francisco (where I was then working as a law student intern).

Recently, I discovered an essay that I wrote at the time. It captures the pain, frustration and aspirations of a much younger person. But I think it speaks well to the thought process of many young activists at that time.

Ironically, days after I wrote this essay, San Francisco police officers illegally arrested me and hundreds of other participants in a peaceful protest march."

BlueCock, I have a feeling this is going to be fun. Thanks for posting that list. Adios a lo que poca credibilidad usted tenia.

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Did you even read what you cut and pasted?

Beck claimed that Van Jones had spent time in prison for being involved in LA riots. Van Jones was in fact briefly detained by the police without being formally charged for his involvement in a peaceful demonstration in San Francisco. Beck was lying, again.

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I know you want Beck to be a liar. You hate his conservative message and dog gone it he must be lying because, because well you don’t like him. But, sorry he wasn’t lying:

“Van Jones first moved to San Francisco in the spring of 1992, while studying law at Yale, when the leftist Lawyers Committee for Human Rights hired several organizers to be on hand for the trial of policemen charged with beating Rodney King. Not guilty verdicts in the officer’s case resulted in riots which left 55 dead.[9] Although Jones had been working for the communist front organization STORM for one year, Jones and the truthout.org web site put forward a cover story that made it appear Jones experienced a jailhouse conversion to communism. Like another Obama associate, Bernardine Dohrn, Jones is a lawyer, avowed communist, associated with communist front organizations, and arrested in the aftermath of a deadly riot. The truthout.org site gives this biographical information on Jones”

I like talking about Van Jones, it’s a no lose topic for conservatives. Let’s see where shall we begin?

  1. Jones was a founder and leader[4] of the communist revolutionary organization Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM). The organization had its roots in a group protesting the first Gulf War.

  2. On the night after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks STORM held a vigil in Oakland, California, "mourning the victims of U.S. imperialism around the world.

  3. What did he say after the 9-11 attack? "“Anti-Arab hostility is already reaching a fever pitch as pundits and common people alike rush to judgment that an Arab group is responsible for this tragedy,” said Van Jones, founder and national executive director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights. “We fear that an atmosphere is being created that will result in official and street violence against Arab men, women and children.”

Oh that Van Jones what a guy worried about the possible violence against arab people AFTER 9-11 the mans heart is really in the right place (gag).

  1. Those stormers were upste though: “That night, STORM and the other movement leaders expressed sadness and anger at the deaths of innocent working class people. We were angry, first and foremost, with the U.S. government, whose worldwide aggression had engendered such hate across the globe that working class people were not safe at home. We honored those who had lost their lives in the attack – and those who would surely lose their lives in subsequent U.S. attacks overseas.”

  2. “I met all these young radical people of color - I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’…I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary… I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.”

  3. “Van Jones signed a petition sponsored by the conspiratorial 9/11 Truthers.org in 2004 alleging President George W. Bush and high-level government officials may have been behind 9/11. [11][12] As his career prospects improved however, he later claimed he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to sign his name”.

Oh wait, he didn’t know what he was signing, he was only a lawyer at that point and didn’t understand all the big words.

  1. “'m willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends…Our question is: Will the green wave lift all boats? That’s the moral challenge to the people who are the architects of this new, ecologically sound economy. Will we have eco-equity, or will we have eco-apartheid? Right now we have eco-apartheid”.

God forbid, not (GASP) eco-apartheid! (Organ music)

(eye roll)

Okay, okay I have to go help my wife and kids decorate the tree. OH NO! WHY DID I SAY THAT? I killed a (sniff, sniff) tree. But wait, it’s just to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ…OOPS! Oh no, now I’m in big, big trouble I BELIEVE IN GOD, many on the far left hate God and want everyone to hate him too. I better just sign off before I send these liberals up a tree, one that hasn’t been cut down of course.

Anyway, Beck went light on Van Jones, no lies just the facts. The funny part is that the facts are so bad that many on the far left think Becks lying. Van Jones is a total left wing loon and for Obama to bring him into his administration with open arms should send a chill up the spine of every man woman and child in the US.

Fortunately we have guys like Beck who at least try to expose this administration for what it is.

God help us over these next 3 years.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Oh there can be no doubt that Beck is so powerful that he can directly influence the global price for gold. I think you’re on to something here, Cockster. Run with it, baby.[/quote]

Do you watch his show? Beck seems to think he has that power.

Zeb,

I’m praying for you.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/106219/onion-news-network-victim-in-fatal-car-accident-tragically-not-glenn-beck

in the sense of fairness
http://cartoonbox.slate.com/static/379.html

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Oh there can be no doubt that Beck is so powerful that he can directly influence the global price for gold. I think you’re on to something here, Cockster. Run with it, baby.[/quote]

Do you watch his show? Beck seems to think he has that power. [/quote]

But, the fact is he does not, and that’s the real point here isn’t it?

[quote]Zeb,

I’m praying for you. [/quote]

Thank you, I can always used more prayers.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/106219/onion-news-network-victim-in-fatal-car-accident-tragically-not-glenn-beck

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And this is why left wingers like yourself have a reputaion for being hateful, nasty individuals who won’t tolerate anyone else’s opinion.

Good job.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/106219/onion-news-network-victim-in-fatal-car-accident-tragically-not-glenn-beck

[/quote]

And this is why left wingers like yourself have a reputaion for being hateful, nasty individuals who won’t tolerate anyone else’s opinion.

Good job.[/quote]

haha, that worked perfectly.
get a sense of humor

[quote]ZEB wrote:

But, the fact is he does not, and that’s the real point here isn’t it? [/quote]

no, you twit, that’s not the point. the point is beyond you.

lots of fancy words in this here thread.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

…Glen Beck lied about Van Jones’ involvement in the Rodney King riots…

[/quote]Did he now?

"Jones says he became politically radicalized in the aftermath of the deadly April 1992 Los Angeles riots which erupted shortly after four L.A. police officers who had beaten the now-infamous Rodney King were exonerated in court. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th,” says Jones, “and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.”

In early May 1992, after the L.A. riots had ended, Jones was dispatched by LCCR Executive Director Eva Patterson to serve as a legal monitor at a nonviolent protest (against the Rodney King verdicts) in San Francisco. Local police, fearful that the event would devolve into violence, stopped the proceedings and arrested many of the participants, including all the legal monitors. Jones spent a short time in jail, and all charges against him were subsequently dropped.

Recalling his brief incarceration, Jones says: “I met all these young radical people of color. I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”

In Jones’ own words,

"In the wake of the verdicts, Los Angeles exploded in blood and flames.

Also that week, there were disturbances and rebellions in 100 other U.S. cities. One of them was San Francisco (where I was then working as a law student intern).

Recently, I discovered an essay that I wrote at the time. It captures the pain, frustration and aspirations of a much younger person. But I think it speaks well to the thought process of many young activists at that time.

Ironically, days after I wrote this essay, San Francisco police officers illegally arrested me and hundreds of other participants in a peaceful protest march."

BlueCock, I have a feeling this is going to be fun. Thanks for posting that list. Adios a lo que poca credibilidad usted tenia.

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Did you even read what you cut and pasted?

Beck claimed that Van Jones had spent time in prison for being involved in LA riots. Van Jones was in fact briefly detained by the police without being formally charged for his involvement in a peaceful demonstration in San Francisco. Beck was lying, again.

[/quote]

I know you want Beck to be a liar. You hate his conservative message and dog gone it he must be lying because, because well you don’t like him. But, sorry he wasn’t lying:

“Van Jones first moved to San Francisco in the spring of 1992, while studying law at Yale, when the leftist Lawyers Committee for Human Rights hired several organizers to be on hand for the trial of policemen charged with beating Rodney King. Not guilty verdicts in the officer’s case resulted in riots which left 55 dead.[9] Although Jones had been working for the communist front organization STORM for one year, Jones and the truthout.org web site put forward a cover story that made it appear Jones experienced a jailhouse conversion to communism. Like another Obama associate, Bernardine Dohrn, Jones is a lawyer, avowed communist, associated with communist front organizations, and arrested in the aftermath of a deadly riot. The truthout.org site gives this biographical information on Jones”

I like talking about Van Jones, it’s a no lose topic for conservatives. Let’s see where shall we begin?

  1. Jones was a founder and leader[4] of the communist revolutionary organization Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM). The organization had its roots in a group protesting the first Gulf War.

  2. On the night after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks STORM held a vigil in Oakland, California, "mourning the victims of U.S. imperialism around the world.

  3. What did he say after the 9-11 attack? "“Anti-Arab hostility is already reaching a fever pitch as pundits and common people alike rush to judgment that an Arab group is responsible for this tragedy,” said Van Jones, founder and national executive director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights. “We fear that an atmosphere is being created that will result in official and street violence against Arab men, women and children.”

Oh that Van Jones what a guy worried about the possible violence against arab people AFTER 9-11 the mans heart is really in the right place (gag).

  1. Those stormers were upste though: “That night, STORM and the other movement leaders expressed sadness and anger at the deaths of innocent working class people. We were angry, first and foremost, with the U.S. government, whose worldwide aggression had engendered such hate across the globe that working class people were not safe at home. We honored those who had lost their lives in the attack – and those who would surely lose their lives in subsequent U.S. attacks overseas.”

  2. “I met all these young radical people of color - I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’…I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary… I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.”

  3. “Van Jones signed a petition sponsored by the conspiratorial 9/11 Truthers.org in 2004 alleging President George W. Bush and high-level government officials may have been behind 9/11. [11][12] As his career prospects improved however, he later claimed he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to sign his name”.

Oh wait, he didn’t know what he was signing, he was only a lawyer at that point and didn’t understand all the big words.

  1. “'m willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends…Our question is: Will the green wave lift all boats? That’s the moral challenge to the people who are the architects of this new, ecologically sound economy. Will we have eco-equity, or will we have eco-apartheid? Right now we have eco-apartheid”.

God forbid, not (GASP) eco-apartheid! (Organ music)

(eye roll)

Okay, okay I have to go help my wife and kids decorate the tree. OH NO! WHY DID I SAY THAT? I killed a (sniff, sniff) tree. But wait, it’s just to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ…OOPS! Oh no, now I’m in big, big trouble I BELIEVE IN GOD, many on the far left hate God and want everyone to hate him too. I better just sign off before I send these liberals up a tree, one that hasn’t been cut down of course.

Anyway, Beck went light on Van Jones, no lies just the facts. The funny part is that the facts are so bad that many on the far left think Becks lying. Van Jones is a total left wing loon and for Obama to bring him into his administration with open arms should send a chill up the spine of every man woman and child in the US.

Fortunately we have guys like Beck who at least try to expose this administration for what it is.

God help us over these next 3 years.

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I have far less of an issue with his right wing message (a lot of which I agree with) than his presentation style.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/106219/onion-news-network-victim-in-fatal-car-accident-tragically-not-glenn-beck

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And this is why left wingers like yourself have a reputaion for being hateful, nasty individuals who won’t tolerate anyone else’s opinion.

Good job.[/quote]

haha, that worked perfectly.
get a sense of humor[/quote]

And that’s another come back from the left. If they wish ill will on a conservative, well it’s just a joke. But if you say the lest nastiest thing about a lefty, you’re a hatefilled right wing fanatic.

Another Good Job kid.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

But, the fact is he does not, and that’s the real point here isn’t it? [/quote]

no, you twit, that’s not the point. the point is beyond you.[/quote]

You’re the one who entered this thread trashing Beck and claiming that he lies. When I challenged you to produce those lies you couldn’t. Now, like the little kid you are, you’ve resorted to name calling.

“You big fat meany, go away you’re no fun”.

You’re a child who cannot back up the accusation that he made. No problem I’ve seen it before on this site. You got all excited when you saw pictures of girls half, err mostly naked and then somehow stumbled onto the political threads.

T-Nation is a site primarily for men, I suggest you take the nearest exit, or finally back-up what you’ve been crying about for a couple of pages now. Either way foot stomping and whining isn’t going to work here like it does on your mom and dad.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

I have far less of an issue with his right wing message (a lot of which I agree with) than his presentation style.[/quote]

I, like you, am not always crazy about his emotional style, but I love the facts and figures that he brings to the table. I find him far more interesting to listen to than Rush Limbaugh and others.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
If you can’t tell he’s kidding , I feel sorry for your parents. Knowing they raised this much stupid must be hard on them.[/quote]

Yup, it’s a lotta fun to kid around about 9-11.

It must be satire like Jon Stewart, I bet Jon Stewart does a lot of 9-11 gags too.

Haw haw! That’s cute!
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It’s not 9-11 humor. It’s 9-11 truther humor. Trying to change the focus of this thread in an attempt to save it won’t work. You misunderstood Beck. Oh well, it happens. Just let this thread die.[/quote]

Yep, I don’t understand why you guys spend so much time arguing with these clowns? Seriously, are you going to change the minds of these lefty nitwhits?

i like to check in here to see some links and news stories but a whole lot of people spend a whole lot of time arguing over BS with clowns who will never change their minds. Maybe my you’re a friggin lefty idiot isn’t great debate technique, but it’s usually accurate.

I spend time teaching my kids the whys of what I believe which I think is a lot more effective in the long run.