A big difference guys in their 30’s have told me about partying now as opposed to in their 20’s is the situation of their friends. Most of their friends from high school/university are married/in serious relationships and have kids. They don’t see their friends 2-3 times a week like in their 20’s but rather every so often.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
For some reason this exchange has really stuck with me and I’ve been thinking about it. Not sure that I disagree with any of what’s been said, but I’m not sure that we have the same definition of what constitutes “worthwhile” ventures. I mean, if ALL this guy is doing is sitting under an umbrella getting drunk for 14-15 hours/day, yeah, I can see that getting boring. But if he wants to live in a tropical paradise he could fill his days taking surfing lessons, snorkeling, planning sailboat trips, getting SCUBA certified, etc. That’s in addition to stuff he could do from anywhere, like reading the great works of Western literature from under that beach umbrella.
I just think it’s sad when people say “I don’t want to retire, I dont know what I’d do with myself.” It just seems to lack imagination. Obviously if someone retired the SECOND that they had saved EXACTLY enough money for rent and food for the next 40 years, yeah, that would get boring sitting aroudn the house, since lots of new experiences and adventures cost a fair bit of money. But given that most of the time when someone retires at 40 they have more than enough $$ for that … Traveling to new places - how can you get bored of that - visiting old friends, reading new books or old classics, there’s plenty of crap on TV and movies, but plenty of good stuff too, watch every academy award winner, or every episode of The Wire or Sopranos or Arrested Development, picking new physical challenges to prepare for - whether a weightlifting contest or an ironman or something - taking a class at a local college, learning a new skill, preparing a new dish for yourself every day … there’s so much to do. I dunno, just seems like without trying you could think of quite a few things to do that would keep you busy for a long time. Some may say it’s not “worthwhile” but then again, how many people really have “worthwhile” jobs where they are actually making a positive difference to the world and not just some shareholder’s bottom line?[/quote]
I guess what constitutes “worthwhile” depends on the individual and their values. And I think the key factor for having a satisfying life, a sense of purpose, can also vary between people. I myself can’t picture myself retiring in a completely epicurean, self-indulgent lifestyle like that.
I can tell you, as someone who has probably seen as much of the South Pacific as Capt. Cook (not really, but close!) that the idyllic, tropical paradise that people set as their desktop wallpaper DOES get boring relatively quickly. Blue seas are blue seas, coral is coral and dive sites tend to blend together over time.
Plus, the governments on those islands are corrupt enough to make Zimbabwe look like the senate of Ancient Greece in comparison…
Several studies have shown that many people nearing retirement (50’s and onwards) tend to become natural philanthropists and develop an innate desire to help others that they didn’t have in their 30’s and 40’s. While filling your head with facts, taking sailing classes and achieving personal goals might seem appealing now, it might not when you reach that age.
I think we can both agree that retiring without a list of goals and milestones you want to achieve would get horribly boring, very fast…
[quote]therajraj wrote:
A big difference guys in their 30’s have told me about partying now as opposed to in their 20’s is the situation of their friends. Most of their friends from high school/university are married/in serious relationships and have kids. They don’t see their friends 2-3 times a week like in their 20’s but rather every so often.
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But that’s really the only difference. When we were all in our early 20’s, we basically lived at each other’s houses. That would be awkward now considering a number of them are “settling down” whether married or not and some of them now have kids of their own.
We couldn’t even afford to go out much in our 20’s so it was more about parties thrown at other people’s houses or just hanging out.
Once you start owning shit (like your own house or apartment instead of a dorm), having people sleeping at your crib because they were too fucked up to go home last night gets awkward.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
A big difference guys in their 30’s have told me about partying now as opposed to in their 20’s is the situation of their friends. Most of their friends from high school/university are married/in serious relationships and have kids. They don’t see their friends 2-3 times a week like in their 20’s but rather every so often.
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This is true. A lot of my old friends have been “succubized” (I coined that, feel free to use it) by their fork-tongued, venom-spewing wives. Not all, mind you, but many. Even guys I thought could maintain some individuality during marriage are using words “let” and “allow” in ways that disgust me. “My wife let me have a room in the basement for all my stuff!” (wow, a whole room in the house YOU paid for!) and “My wife allowed me one night every two weeks where I can ‘let loose’ with my old buds…but nothing too crazy” (ie: have two Molson Canadians and go home to watch ‘House’ with your wife).
If you have two screaming kids to attend to, I can fully understand the need to stay at home, but these guys are all just newlyweds with no real commitments. A lot of them got married simply because of the bullshit “social clock” theory that so many subscribe to (ie: you have to attain x by age y, or you’re a loser). I have a feeling some of them will get divorced within the next few years and hopefully then they’ll be willing to grab a beer
[quote]therajraj wrote:
A big difference guys in their 30’s have told me about partying now as opposed to in their 20’s is the situation of their friends. Most of their friends from high school/university are married/in serious relationships and have kids. They don’t see their friends 2-3 times a week like in their 20’s but rather every so often.
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Yeah, I’d say I party with my friends 1 or twice a month these days. But I do see them more often to just hang out and hit the mall, play cards or b-ball. One of the things is that changed is we do find ourselves going to strip clubs more often. I guess since they’re all married and we won’t be picking up chicks anyway, it kind of makes sense. Not a big fan of it myself though.
Dude, work now get yourself set up and enjoy life, heck i’m a drug sales rep making really good money while I’m doing my PhD, so when im not working or studing I’m sleeping, I have to train at 5am or not train at all, dude make the sacrafice now, im actually still living at home, my parents are still paying for my school even, I just milk it (im an only child) I bank every penny i manke (other than an audi s4 i treated myself too and a sport bike) as soon as I graduate I’ll take it easy then and buy myself a house and then enjoy life. Like X said put the work in now so you can have a comfortable life later.
[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Dude, work now get yourself set up and enjoy life, heck i’m a drug sales rep making really good money while I’m doing my PhD, so when im not working or studing I’m sleeping, I have to train at 5am or not train at all, dude make the sacrafice now, im actually still living at home, my parents are still paying for my school even, I just milk it (im an only child) I bank every penny i manke (other than an audi s4 i treated myself too and a sport bike) as soon as I graduate I’ll take it easy then and buy myself a house and then enjoy life. Like X said put the work in now so you can have a comfortable life later.[/quote]
You mooch off your parents so you can buy yourself a car and a sports bike… Me thinks you don’t “get it” as far as this thread is concerned.
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Dude, work now get yourself set up and enjoy life, heck i’m a drug sales rep making really good money while I’m doing my PhD, so when im not working or studing I’m sleeping, I have to train at 5am or not train at all, dude make the sacrafice now, im actually still living at home, my parents are still paying for my school even, I just milk it (im an only child) I bank every penny i manke (other than an audi s4 i treated myself too and a sport bike) as soon as I graduate I’ll take it easy then and buy myself a house and then enjoy life. Like X said put the work in now so you can have a comfortable life later.[/quote]
You mooch off your parents so you can buy yourself a car and a sports bike… Me thinks you don’t “get it” as far as this thread is concerned.[/quote]
LOL, dude buys himself a $50k+ car AND a sportbike, all while having everything paid for by his parents, but is saving money to make his life later more comfortable.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
LOL, dude buys himself a $50k+ car AND a sportbike, all while having everything paid for by his parents, but is saving money to make his life later more comfortable.
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Why not? If his parents have the means and want to do it, why shouldn’t he accept their help?
Hell, I wouldn’t turn that down…
It’s one thing to live off your parents when you’re a full time student, but holy crap you’re making good enough coin to afford 2 vehicles and still live at home? I have a friend doing something similar, but all his money goes into a bank account which eventually will be used towards a downpayment towards a house.
Dave, how much is your allowance?
“Dad, can I have money for protein powder?”
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
LOL, dude buys himself a $50k+ car AND a sportbike, all while having everything paid for by his parents, but is saving money to make his life later more comfortable.
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Why not? If his parents have the means and want to do it, why shouldn’t he accept their help?
Hell, I wouldn’t turn that down…[/quote]
It doesn’t really seem like “help” at this point.
EDIT: It’s more the fact that he bought a luxury car and a sports bike, rather than using the money to fuel his future living. I mean, nothing wrong with living at home and working full time, to save money and what not. But he’s using his money to make large frivolous purchases instead of making headway towards becoming financially independent.
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Why not? If his parents have the means and want to do it, why shouldn’t he accept their help?
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Pride?
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Why not? If his parents have the means and want to do it, why shouldn’t he accept their help?
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Yes - if your parents pay for college you instantly have no pride. Lol…
Not that my parents paid for college, but if the kid has parents with the means to put him thru school, I don’t see any shame in that.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Yes - if your parents pay for college you instantly have no pride. Lol…
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You left out the part about living at home and having enough money to buy a $40K + sports car and bike that’s over $10K. That part’s kind of important. Lol…
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Yes - if your parents pay for college you instantly have no pride. Lol…
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You left out the part about living at home and having enough money to buy a $40K + sports car and bike that’s over $10K. That part’s kind of important. Lol…[/quote]
So what? If his parents don’t have a problem with it, why should anyone else?
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Yes - if your parents pay for college you instantly have no pride. Lol…
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You left out the part about living at home and having enough money to buy a $40K + sports car and bike that’s over $10K. That part’s kind of important. Lol…[/quote]
So what? If his parents don’t have a problem with it, why should anyone else?[/quote]
I think the irony of him bragging about it in this particular thread is what I find funny.
LOL. He got a free ride at school, has a job that a lot of people would kill for, drives two awesome vehicles and has a paid roof over his head, and is talking about “making sacrifice”
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
LOL. He got a free ride at school, has a job that a lot of people would kill for, drives two awesome vehicles and has a paid roof over his head, and is talking about “making sacrifice”[/quote]
I would imagine he sacrifices pretty much everything in order to study. Unless his Phd is in basket-weaving, I’d assume you have to sacrifice a lot to do well.
Plus, sacrifice doesn’t always mean monetarily. In fact, his post fits the thread well, since the subject is sacrificing your free time and hanging out with friends in order to secure your future, which getting a doctorate is likely to do…
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
LOL. He got a free ride at school, has a job that a lot of people would kill for, drives two awesome vehicles and has a paid roof over his head, and is talking about “making sacrifice”[/quote]
I would imagine he sacrifices pretty much everything in order to study. Unless his Phd is in basket-weaving, I’d assume you have to sacrifice a lot to do well.
Plus, sacrifice doesn’t always mean monetarily. In fact, his post fits the thread well, since the subject is sacrificing your free time and hanging out with friends in order to secure your future, which getting a doctorate is likely to do…[/quote]
Yes, there is also the fact that he is getting his Phd, good point! That puts his age at at least 24 if not much older. This thread is about sacrificing your time, health, enjoyment and sanity for cash. This guy is sacrificing his autonomy, pride, self sufficiency and self respect for a free ride and a tuck in at bed time.
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
LOL. He got a free ride at school, has a job that a lot of people would kill for, drives two awesome vehicles and has a paid roof over his head, and is talking about “making sacrifice”[/quote]
I would imagine he sacrifices pretty much everything in order to study. Unless his Phd is in basket-weaving, I’d assume you have to sacrifice a lot to do well.
Plus, sacrifice doesn’t always mean monetarily. In fact, his post fits the thread well, since the subject is sacrificing your free time and hanging out with friends in order to secure your future, which getting a doctorate is likely to do…[/quote]
Yes, there is also the fact that he is getting his Phd, good point! That puts his age at at least 24 if not much older. This thread is about sacrificing your time, health, enjoyment and sanity for cash. This guy is sacrificing his autonomy, pride, self sufficiency and self respect for a free ride and a tuck in at bed time.
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This argument doesn’t interest me much, but I knew girls still living at home while in dental school. The work load was heavy enough that there isn’t much else you can do and holding down a job while going to school for that was something only a few people could get away with. I know I would have considered that pure hell had I been forced to work full time AND go to school. Most docs don’t do that.
I can’t very well say something negative just because this kid bought an expensive car.
If his grades are where they need to be and he is on his way to being successful, then he is doing way better than most of the guys in this very thread dogging him for it.
I say you get to talk shit about him if your GPA is higher than his. That is that will matter in 10 years, not whether he lived with mom and dad.