Girls Kicked Off Bus for Kissing

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Robert P. wrote:
I find it perfectly normal for two straight 14 year olds to be making out, so why shouldn’t lesbians be allowed to?

Most 14 year olds are thinking about it, but your busdriver must have been VERY liberal for them to allow two people to go at it like they were in a hotel room while on the bus. I don’t know what country you grew up in, but a scene like that would catch the attention of every kid on the bus no matter who it was. I am sure every guy on the bus immediately hit puberty right at that moment.

That is why I don’t understand statements like, “I don’t see the problem”.[/quote]

Didn’t read the rest of the thread because I have about 70 posts to catch up with, but I thought I’d reply.

First, I grew up in Switzerland, and we don’t have school buses, people get to school on foot, on public transportation or with their own vehicle.

Second, a city bus is a public bus, right? If not, I understand the problem. If these girls were making out in front of their classmates, that is pretty strange. But if it’s a public bus they were on, I still don’t get what’s so horrific about this.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Did you actually read the article at all, where it says they were thrown off after the one HUGGED the other to comfort her about them being told to stop kissing? Clearly, CLEARLY, hugging = going at it like they were in a hotel room while on the bus.
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Was it the girls who said they were kicked off after hugging? I’m going to echo the sentiment that they were probably making out intensely with the goal of making people uncomfortable. Look at the fucking smirk on the one girl’s face…she’s downright loving all of this I’m sure.

I’m not sure what your high school was like, but girls like that (dirty “goths”…not gay) were all about putting on disgusting displays to offend people.

They also had problems with authority and would frequently talk shit to teachers and misbehave. I have no reason to think that these girls are any different, and the only thing the driver should’ve done differently was make them get off while the bus was still moving.

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[quote]orion wrote:
There are no emotional mature persons.

The most you can hope for is some level of neuroticism.
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Hmmm…then that means there is no moral consequence for “taking advantage” of people who do not understand the consequences of their actions since there really is no such thing as emotional maturity–after all, the person committing the act can’t be emotionally mature either…?

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[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Robert P. wrote:
I find it perfectly normal for two straight 14 year olds to be making out, so why shouldn’t lesbians be allowed to?

Most 14 year olds are thinking about it, but your busdriver must have been VERY liberal for them to allow two people to go at it like they were in a hotel room while on the bus. I don’t know what country you grew up in, but a scene like that would catch the attention of every kid on the bus no matter who it was. I am sure every guy on the bus immediately hit puberty right at that moment.

That is why I don’t understand statements like, “I don’t see the problem”.

Didn’t read the rest of the thread because I have about 70 posts to catch up with, but I thought I’d reply.

First, I grew up in Switzerland, and we don’t have school buses, people get to school on foot, on public transportation or with their own vehicle.

Second, a city bus is a public bus, right? If not, I understand the problem. If these girls were making out in front of their classmates, that is pretty strange. But if it’s a public bus they were on, I still don’t get what’s so horrific about this.
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Then let me clarify for the foreigners.

City Bus= lots and lots of people of various levels of personal hygiene all lumped together trying to avoid smelling each other before their next stop

School bus= a shit load of school kids all trying to contain 8-9 hours of repressed explosive childlike behavior on a schoolbus until they get home.

Right around junior high school, these boiling pots of repressed behavior suddenly get sprinkled with increased raging hormones and every boy suddenly notices that Becky’s short skirt is REALLY fucking short and that someone has strucken their under-roos with a sudden case of rigor mortis.

Anyone who thinks these girls were lightly pecking each other is an idiot. This shouldn’t surprise anyone as idiots are fucking everywhere…and fucking.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Did you actually read the article at all, where it says they were thrown off after the one HUGGED the other to comfort her about them being told to stop kissing? Clearly, CLEARLY, hugging = going at it like they were in a hotel room while on the bus.

Was it the girls who said they were kicked off after hugging? I’m going to echo the sentiment that they were probably making out intensely with the goal of making people uncomfortable. Look at the fucking smirk on the one girl’s face…she’s downright loving all of this I’m sure.

I’m not sure what your high school was like, but girls like that (dirty “goths”…not gay) were all about putting on disgusting displays to offend people.

They also had problems with authority and would frequently talk shit to teachers and misbehave. I have no reason to think that these girls are any different, and the only thing the driver should’ve done differently was make them get off while the bus was still moving.[/quote]

From the article:

"They say a female passenger complained to the driver about the kissing and that the driver told them to “knock it off” and also called them “sickos.”

Rich says she then gave O’Neal a hug because it appeared she was upset about the exchange. They say at that point the driver stopped the bus and ordered them off."

Of course, if you don’t like what your read, feel free to add in the “They must be lying!” idea. That way, you’re free to make up your own story about what “really happened”.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are you gay?
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hahaha. Oh god, this again.

Another transparent attempt to set up an ad hominem attack.

I can say no, I’m not gay… your response will be “I think you’re a closet case and you’re taking your frustration out on us.”

I can say I am gay… your respose will be “You’re just trying to get attention and you only care because you’re gay and making up bigotry where there is none furthers your personal (gay) agenda.”

I can say I don’t think my sexuality fits perfectly into one of the three common labels (gay/straigh/bi), since I’m generally attracted to girls but have had gay experiences and sometimes (rarely) find myself attracted to a guy… your response will be “You are just confused about your sexuality and you’re attacking us out of personal, inner frustration. Its not my fault you have trouble accepting who you are.”

So, go ahead, take your pick; any answer I give will inevitably lead you to the conclusion that the problem is ME, that there was NO indication of bigotry in the incident, and that I’m clearly just paranoid and making things up.

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Thats the funny thing about bigotry.

Blacks are suspect when talking about racial bigotry. Clearly, since they have something to gain by falsely claiming bigotry, they lack the rational, objective outlook of a white person.

Women are suspect when talking about sexism. Again, they are just looking out for themselves, and are prone to crying “sexism!” when there is none, in order to see some personal benefit from it. They just can’t look at it objectively like men can.

Fat and/or ugly people are suspect on the subject of looksism; old people are too biased about ageism, the disabled are too sensitive about their disability, the poor are not to be trusted on socio-economic matters…

A very common, sadly effective, way of rationalizing homophobia, racism, sexism, looksism, ageism, and damn near any other form of bigotry is to claim that anyone who points out said bigotry is only trying to further a personal agenda.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
orion wrote:
There are no emotional mature persons.

The most you can hope for is some level of neuroticism.

Hmmm…then that means there is no moral consequence for “taking advantage” of people who do not understand the consequences of their actions since there really is no such thing as emotional maturity–after all, the person committing the act can’t be emotionally mature either…?[/quote]

he could be relatively mature compared to the people he takes advantage of?

What is sex with teenagers compared to a politician/voter relationship?

What does Carl Rove really think about creationists, Hillary Clinton about teachers unions?

I think I have a pretty good idea.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
From the article:

"They say a female passenger complained to the driver about the kissing and that the driver told them to “knock it off” and also called them “sickos.”

Rich says she then gave O’Neal a hug because it appeared she was upset about the exchange. They say at that point the driver stopped the bus and ordered them off."

Of course, if you don’t like what your read, feel free to add in the “They must be lying!” idea. That way, you’re free to make up your own story about what “really happened”.[/quote]

I don’t like what I read when what I read is two dirty goths’ account of what happened. You can’t honestly say that you believe they are telling the truth, can you?

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Don’t call us the foreigners! This is the internet not America haha

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
I don’t like what I read when what I read is two dirty goths’ account of what happened. You can’t honestly say that you believe they are telling the truth, can you? [/quote]

hahaha. Awesome.

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Question;

How many respectable people kiss on a bus to the point that it is offensive to other passengers?

My gay friends NEVER make out in public. And that’s because they are smart enough to realize that it offends people and they are mature enough to care. Very much like my wife and I.

If these girls were considerate adults (a mature, responsibe, descrete lesbian couple) they would have been grown up enough to “get a room”.

No, these girls were obviously making a scene and enjoying every minute of it. The photo sums up how they were feeling at the time and clues the intellegent viewer as to what REALLY went on.

Have any of you made out in public enough to have someone complain about it? If so, you should’ve been kicked out of wherever you were.

I don’t like the idea of two of what I call children being kicked off and abandoned. It would have been an absolute tragedy if they were dumped off in the middle of nowhere and fell into the hands of a rapist or worse.

But that doesn’t excuse thier little display that put them in that situation in the first place.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Anyone else notice that women dress like skanks? They should be kicked out of every public venue.[/quote]

Or be made to wear a burkha.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:

Professor X wrote:

Then let me clarify for the foreigners.

Don’t call us the foreigners! This is the internet not America haha
[/quote]

It was invented by Al Gore. It doesn’t get much more American than that.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
From the article:

"They say a female passenger complained to the driver about the kissing and that the driver told them to “knock it off” and also called them “sickos.”

Rich says she then gave O’Neal a hug because it appeared she was upset about the exchange. They say at that point the driver stopped the bus and ordered them off."

Of course, if you don’t like what your read, feel free to add in the “They must be lying!” idea. That way, you’re free to make up your own story about what “really happened”.

I don’t like what I read when what I read is two dirty goths’ account of what happened. You can’t honestly say that you believe they are telling the truth, can you? [/quote]

Do I unquestioningly believe they are telling the full, complete, objective truth? No.

Do you believe the fact that they were both of the same sex played no part in the bus drivers decision?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Do I unquestioningly believe they are telling the full, complete, objective truth? No.

[/quote]

Exactly. I agree, and I also don’t see why someone would assume that they aren’t telling the truth ONLY because they are young, and “goth” (I don’t even know if that was in the article or not).

And I do kiss my wife in public, and go figure, nobody has ever even given me a dirty look for doing so.

If two men were kissing, I’d bet my house that many people would be offended and give looks, and possibly say something to them.

Just because people get offended by it, doesn’t make it wrong, and doesn’t mean there should be rules against it.

People used to get offended by sitting with black people on a bus, or drinking from the same fountain. People in general are, for the most part, ignorant.

Rules and laws should only be made to protect people, not to segregate, harass, or mold them to what others believe they should be.

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[quote]SWR wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Do I unquestioningly believe they are telling the full, complete, objective truth? No.

Exactly. I agree, and I also don’t see why someone would assume that they aren’t telling the truth ONLY because they are young, and “goth” (I don’t even know if that was in the article or not).

And I do kiss my wife in public, and go figure, nobody has ever even given me a dirty look for doing so.

If two men were kissing, I’d bet my house that many people would be offended and give looks, and possibly say something to them.

Just because people get offended by it, doesn’t make it wrong, and doesn’t mean there should be rules against it.

People used to get offended by sitting with black people on a bus, or drinking from the same fountain. People in general are, for the most part, ignorant.

Rules and laws should only be made to protect people, not to segregate, harass, or mold them to what others believe they should be.[/quote]

Furthermore, rules and laws should be made to protect people FROM those who would segregate, harass, or otherwise try to mold them to what they want.

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[quote]SWR wrote:
Exactly. I agree, and I also don’t see why someone would assume that they aren’t telling the truth ONLY because they are young, and “goth” (I don’t even know if that was in the article or not).

And I do kiss my wife in public, and go figure, nobody has ever even given me a dirty look for doing so.
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Them being goth wasn’t in the article, but the picture of them certainly paints that picture. I’m not ONLY assuming they are lying because they are young and goth, but also because they stand to lose nothing and gain plenty.

Besides, they are young, can probably turn the innocence and tears on and off at will, and have the whole prejudice-against-homosexuality thing in their favour. Why not ham it up to potentially get a substantial settlement?

As for you and your wife, do you guys slobber all over each other to make a statement or to get attention? There’s a chance they weren’t doing this, but there’s an equally good chance they were. Also, it’s simply easier to bitch at kids than it is to bitch at adults.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

And I do kiss my wife in public, and go figure, nobody has ever even given me a dirty look for doing so.

Them being goth wasn’t in the article, but the picture of them certainly paints that picture. I’m not ONLY assuming they are lying because they are young and goth, but also because they stand to lose nothing and gain plenty.

Besides, they are young, can probably turn the innocence and tears on and off at will, and have the whole prejudice-against-homosexuality thing in their favour. Why not ham it up to potentially get a substantial settlement?

As for you and your wife, do you guys slobber all over each other to make a statement or to get attention? There’s a chance they weren’t doing this, but there’s an equally good chance they were. Also, it’s simply easier to bitch at kids than it is to bitch at adults.
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Yea, but a lot of people do things to get attention that’s annoying. I don’t think they were out to sue the bus company before they started kissing on the bus. If that thought popped into their heads after they were wrongfully kicked off, I can’t blame them.

I would look to sue a large company if I really thought I had a good shot at millions, weather it’s right or wrong to do so.

What about a snotty spoiled rich preppy kids who wear their matching colored outfit, and have their pants half way down their ass, snaring at anyone who looks at them? They’re just looking for attention, and in my opinion, are very annoying to look at, but I wouldn’t support making rules against them wearing what they want, or acting in a way that’s not hurting anyone. Even as much as I’d like to smack some sense into them.

And no, I don’t make out with my wife in public, and I could actually see people getting offended by it if I did, and could also see someone in a position like the bus driver telling us to quit it, or get out, BUT I’d still fight for my right to do it, and would still think he would be wrong for making me leave.

I think I just have a thing against people in positions of authority abusing their power, as I’ve seen it far too many times before.

Live and let live. If something bothers you that’s not hurting you or anyone else, ignore it, or move yourself away from it. If it starts to become harassment, that’s a different story (IMHO).

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Good. The bus company should give the girls free passes for the year to compensate them for the embarrasment and trouble the driver caused.[/quote]

not to mention the possible danger two 14 year old girls could have found themselves in after being booted from a bus at a random location in a city.