[quote]Cortes wrote:
I said that. Like three times.
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Sorry that I missed that in the 16 pages of posts. I was commenting specifically on the post that I quoted and the bit about how your wife stays at home and you are “constantly” working. I took “constantly” to mean that you didn’t spend too much time at home.
I haven’t read every word in every post but I get the feeling from a few of you that you’re in favor of the new model of traditional families where the wife stays home and the husband works. I’m saying that I think that is a failure of a model.
james
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Why?[/quote]
Because it is a pipe dream and unrealistic view of the world, it will never be 1950’s again. To focus on the past is to lose focus of the future IMO.
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I don’t want to hear why it’s difficult to achieve such an arrangement anymore. I want to hear why it is fundamentally wrong.
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Fair enough and I think James addressed this.
You asked what is wrong, just look at the 60’s.
Honestly my friend, I think it is a decision that a couple should make and it is no one else’s business. On the large scale sociology view, its debatable and had been debated to death.
I don’t want to hear why it’s difficult to achieve such an arrangement anymore. I want to hear why it is wrong [/quote]
Exactly what I’ve been arguing.
The decline is happening, theres no going back, and I’m content on enjoying the ride down.
I wouldn’t advise any man living in the west to get married in this current environment or have children.
Feminists wanted to destabilize the family unit, well you’ve got your wish.
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Okay have you been married?
Are you a divorced kid?
Why would people ask you for advice on life? Are you married, successful with children? then I would seek your advice.
If you are single, never been married or at least in LTR and still going to college who the fuck cares what you think. Your opinion on the world is through rose colored glasses and all your research is just that, studies out of books. Come back after you actually live a life, people like Push I can respect cause he has real world experience.
Now if this does not qualify to you then by all means continue.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Exactly what I’ve been arguing.
The decline is happening, theres no going back, and I’m content on enjoying the ride down.
I wouldn’t advise any man living in the west to get married in this current environment or have children.
Feminists wanted to destabilize the family unit, well you’ve got your wish.
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That’s bullshit. Seriously. That’s utter bullshit and it’s a cop out for maintaining a real relationship.
First, the term feminist is overused. I think that you’re referring to the more militant ones. My wife considers herself a feminist because she believes that women should have the same rights as men do. I don’t think anyone can argue against that. She’s most certainly not for destroying the family though.
I’m also proud that my wife sticks up for herself. I’m also proud that she works full time because I believe that it helps to round out her life. But if she quit her job and did volunteer work that would be equally cool with me (and probably even cooler with her).
I don’t see where the average feminist is destroying the American family unit.
james[/quote]
Lol
So the abysmal birth rates of feminist countries, the exploding divorce rate, the endless amount of single moms (guess what type of families murderers come from?), men’s loss of interest in marriage are things you can easily ignore? Your wife and all feminists have done an excellent job of destroying female happiness too. It’s been in constant decline since the 70s… Coincidence huh?
How did these problems just happen to arise once feminism took off?
I don’t want to hear why it’s difficult to achieve such an arrangement anymore. I want to hear why it is wrong [/quote]
Exactly what I’ve been arguing.
The decline is happening, theres no going back, and I’m content on enjoying the ride down.
I wouldn’t advise any man living in the west to get married in this current environment or have children.
Feminists wanted to destabilize the family unit, well you’ve got your wish.
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Okay have you been married?
Are you a divorced kid?
Why would people ask you for advice on life? Are you married, successful with children? then I would seek your advice.
If you are single, never been married or at least in LTR and still going to college who the fuck cares what you think. Your opinion on the world is through rose colored glasses and all your research is just that, studies out of books. Come back after you actually live a life, people like Push I can respect cause he has real world experience.
Now if this does not qualify to you then by all means continue. [/quote]
This is how she argues. She throws a little jabs at unnamed “folks” then either won’t stick around to defend her claims or whines about the vindictive treatment those with opposing opinions have.
She never sticks around a PWI argument past about this point. [/quote]
Still here. I actually corrected my statement. I was speaking outta my ass on that one and admitted it. I don’t have the free time you guys have to hang in these parts. So I don’t contribute much. I seriously can’t figure out how some people have so much spare time to blog so much here.
I don’t want to hear why it’s difficult to achieve such an arrangement anymore. I want to hear why it is wrong [/quote]
Exactly what I’ve been arguing.
The decline is happening, theres no going back, and I’m content on enjoying the ride down.
I wouldn’t advise any man living in the west to get married in this current environment or have children.
Feminists wanted to destabilize the family unit, well you’ve got your wish.
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Okay have you been married?
Are you a divorced kid?
Why would people ask you for advice on life? Are you married, successful with children? then I would seek your advice.
If you are single, never been married or at least in LTR and still going to college who the fuck cares what you think. Your opinion on the world is through rose colored glasses and all your research is just that, studies out of books. Come back after you actually live a life, people like Push I can respect cause he has real world experience.
Now if this does not qualify to you then by all means continue. [/quote]
So true. I tend to skip over certain people’s posts who seem to have no life experience but all the answers about that which they speak. Cracks me up actually to have the world so figured out at such a young age. I do respect a lot of folks on here (like Cortes, Beans, etc.) who have the experience but see the world differently than I do.
I wouldn’t advise any man living in the west to … have children.
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To not do so would be to miss out on one of the most amazing and most rewarding things one can experience as a human, IMO.
No, having kids isn’t for everyone, and no it isn’t 100% joy 100% of the time, but even the worst moments are trumped by okay moments, let alone the great moments.
Feminists wanted to destabilize the family unit, well you’ve got your wish.
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I’m a feminist and I’m pretty happy :). But the family unit is just fine. Sorry you’re unable to adapt.[/quote]
Glad to hear youre happy. How many kids ya got?
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Thanks to feminism, EXACTLY as many as I want.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
DebraD do you like Canadian culture?
When it eventually dies will you still be happy?[/quote]
I don’t mind it. But all culture is temporary and if it can’t survive society than it’s time to move on. I will live. Or I will join a movement for change.
If the current state is in such a decline, oh powerful male with natural leadership prowess, what are you doing to change it? Actually I pose that to all you complainers. Going to start a movement or just have Internet ‘debate’?
This is how she argues. She throws a little jabs at unnamed “folks” then either won’t stick around to defend her claims or whines about the vindictive treatment those with opposing opinions have.
She never sticks around a PWI argument past about this point. [/quote]
Still here. I actually corrected my statement. I was speaking outta my ass on that one and admitted it. I don’t have the free time you guys have to hang in these parts. So I don’t contribute much. I seriously can’t figure out how some people have so much spare time to blog so much here.[/quote]
I have a desk job after years of running around the ER. I am only on here when Im at work for the most part.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
But there is another aspect to it… what’s in it for them? Why should they beautify themselves? Right now most women can get a gentle, caring, sensitive man without doing that.[/quote]
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’ve banged a married woman[/quote]
[quote]debraD wrote:
If the current state is in such a decline, oh powerful male with natural leadership prowess, what are you doing to change it? Actually I pose that to all you complainers. Going to start a movement or just have Internet ‘debate’?[/quote]
Me, I’m just observing and debating. And looking for the right girl.
Feminism is really just one of many forces that have shaped the current environment, making some things easier and some things harder. I find it a bit more interesting to talk about it than to talk about bad parenting, etc.
But in the end it all still comes down to personal choices. A girl may be more or less likely to do something based on how her parents were, her political environment, feminism, whatever.
In other environments (like Japan), the cultural forces are different, and you’re more likely to find girls who made a different set of choices.
But in the end, I just need one girl. My friends just need one girl. And talking about all these trends and social forces is just a way to kill time.
Sorry guys, when it comes down to it, I really only care about myself on this one.
