Dammit! I was so hoping to go all silence of the lambs, but kitten crucifixion’s just not for me. Oh well guess it’s back to school instead.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
Dammit! I was so hoping to go all silence of the lambs, but kitten crucifixion’s just not for me. Oh well guess it’s back to school instead.[/quote]
LOL! Wise decision. Chances of promotion in serial-killing are slim and the pension sucks. Apparently.
I don’t particularly like dogs. I think my dog is okay, but I’m not going to cry when she dies. I just don’t feel the connection like some people.
I’ve hunted and fished and killed and slaughtered animals. If it’s a clean kill I feel no remorse.
There’s euthanasia of unwanted animals that you can’t support. There’s a relatively quick and humane death in a slaughter house of an animal that will be processed for food.
Those are completely different from gleefully tossing animals into a river to struggle until they drown. Even people you’d consider good people occasionally do fucked up things like this. Doesn’t make them any less fucked up.
As I said I’m not a big animal person, but no animal should suffer needlessly. There’s no justification or excuse for it.
Stop pretending there is.
This is eastern Europe, You can’t understand their treatment of animals because it is vastly different in general… When i visited there as a kid , children were throwing kittens onto roofs as a way to pass the time. And the common way to kill an animal there is to cover its head with a plastic bag and then submerge it into boiling water.
Dogs there are more or less wild and put on long chains all year long, and live in and around their doghouses. They are fed table scraps, and generally do fine. Over here that would be considered abuse, especially during hot summer days and through winter.
The general view is that animals are far beneath people. Its actually somewhat funny that visiting family from eastern europe usually finds it hilarious that we feed our cat “cat-food”, and let it indoors at all.
While the canadians find it horrible that we let out out over the past ten years or so, and have not de-clawed the thing.
Just some food for thought. My opinion was that the girl should be sent to jail, until i understood what she was saying , and just assumed that she was some bosnian village girl that was taught these things are ok. I was right .
They shouldn’t have filmed it though none the less.
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
This is eastern Europe, You can’t understand their treatment of animals because it is vastly different in general… When i visited there as a kid , children were throwing kittens onto roofs as a way to pass the time. And the common way to kill an animal there is to cover its head with a plastic bag and then submerge it into boiling water.
Dogs there are more or less wild and put on long chains all year long, and live in and around their doghouses. They are fed table scraps, and generally do fine. Over here that would be considered abuse, especially during hot summer days and through winter.
The general view is that animals are far beneath people. Its actually somewhat funny that visiting family from eastern europe usually finds it hilarious that we feed our cat “cat-food”, and let it indoors at all.[/quote]
That’s exactly it.
Although it’s messed up, consider some Eastern cultures that kill dolphins for food; yes their methods aren’t humane, but to them it’s just another ‘fish’.
Also, seriously, take your average kid and bring them to Eastern Europe - they’ll get their asses kicked. People grew up and still live in communism and shitty conditions, and just for that, people are generally harder there than they are in other parts of the world.
It’s cruelty either way, but the cultures are very different.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
This is eastern Europe, You can’t understand their treatment of animals because it is vastly different in general… When i visited there as a kid , children were throwing kittens onto roofs as a way to pass the time. And the common way to kill an animal there is to cover its head with a plastic bag and then submerge it into boiling water.
Dogs there are more or less wild and put on long chains all year long, and live in and around their doghouses. They are fed table scraps, and generally do fine. Over here that would be considered abuse, especially during hot summer days and through winter.
The general view is that animals are far beneath people. Its actually somewhat funny that visiting family from eastern europe usually finds it hilarious that we feed our cat “cat-food”, and let it indoors at all.[/quote]
That’s exactly it.
Although it’s messed up, consider some Eastern cultures that kill dolphins for food; yes their methods aren’t humane, but to them it’s just another ‘fish’.
Also, seriously, take your average kid and bring them to Eastern Europe - they’ll get their asses kicked. People grew up and still live in communism and shitty conditions, and just for that, people are generally harder there than they are in other parts of the world.
It’s cruelty either way, but the cultures are very different.[/quote]
This is what I was trying to get at, only much better said. To many in that region this is not an “act of violence” or an “atrocity” it is just a fairly normal thing to do. Like killing a rat in a trap or whatever. It simply doesn’t mean the same thing to them. This is incomprehensible to us, which I think is a good thing for our society.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
This is eastern Europe, You can’t understand their treatment of animals because it is vastly different in general… When i visited there as a kid , children were throwing kittens onto roofs as a way to pass the time. And the common way to kill an animal there is to cover its head with a plastic bag and then submerge it into boiling water.
Dogs there are more or less wild and put on long chains all year long, and live in and around their doghouses. They are fed table scraps, and generally do fine. Over here that would be considered abuse, especially during hot summer days and through winter.
The general view is that animals are far beneath people. Its actually somewhat funny that visiting family from eastern europe usually finds it hilarious that we feed our cat “cat-food”, and let it indoors at all.[/quote]
That’s exactly it.
Although it’s messed up, consider some Eastern cultures that kill dolphins for food; yes their methods aren’t humane, but to them it’s just another ‘fish’.
Also, seriously, take your average kid and bring them to Eastern Europe - they’ll get their asses kicked. People grew up and still live in communism and shitty conditions, and just for that, people are generally harder there than they are in other parts of the world.
It’s cruelty either way, but the cultures are very different.[/quote]
This is what I was trying to get at, only much better said. To many in that region this is not an “act of violence” or an “atrocity” it is just a fairly normal thing to do. Like killing a rat in a trap or whatever. It simply doesn’t mean the same thing to them. This is incomprehensible to us, which I think is a good thing for our society. [/quote]
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I’ve been to Eastern Europe twice. Yes, their culture is rougher than the west but most people there would see this video and think “what a sick bastard” not “hahahaha that’s so funny”.
Stop generalizing, there are people here in the U.S and western Europe who do fucked up shit too.
Read this:
Yes the country that speaks the “language of love” also abuses and does fucked up shit to animals. All of it’s citizens must be cruel little bastards who don’t give two shits about Animal rights.
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
This is eastern Europe, [u]You can’t understand their treatment of animals because it is vastly different in general… [/u] When i visited there as a kid , children were throwing kittens onto roofs as a way to pass the time. And the common way to kill an animal there is to cover its head with a plastic bag and then submerge it into boiling water.
Dogs there [u]are more or less wild [/u] and put on long chains all year long, and live in and around their doghouses. They are fed table scraps, and generally do fine. Over here that would be considered abuse, especially during hot summer days and through winter. [/quote]
You’ve just explained why it happens. It’s not because the culture is different: it’s because undomesticated animals are easier to mistreat than tame ones.
Most people would find it easier to kill a wild dog than a domestic dog. If you keep an animal in a feral state, it’s going to be easier to carry on treating them “like animals”. It’s a vicious circle, and not necessarily created by the social and political climate of a given country. Same goes for the treatment of dogs in Korea and indeed any animal used as a food source.
The choice is always there to choose not to mistreat them just because the opportunity is there for the taking.
^ Following on from that, if all this business about cultural differences is true, then why didn’t the girl dump the pups somewhere (without filming it) and let them starve? Newborn pups don’t take long to die from exposure or starvation…lofting them into a river is not a merciful end by any stretch.
But then, dumping the pups and walking away is pretty boring to watch.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Stop generalizing, there are people here in the U.S and western Europe who do fucked up shit too.[/quote]
True. I once spoke to a woman who told me of the time she came home from work and found her normally affectionate cat cowering in a corner of her apartment. It took her a couple of hours to get hold of the cat. When she finally did, she discovered that somebody had stubbed out several cigarettes on the cat’s body.
(I don’t know how the cat got out of the apartment. I’m assuming that there was a cat flap to allow the cat to come and go when the woman was out).
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Stop generalizing, there are people here in the U.S and western Europe who do fucked up shit too.[/quote]
True. I once spoke to a woman who told me of the time she came home from work and found her normally affectionate cat cowering in a corner of her apartment. It took her a couple of hours to get hold of the cat. When she finally did, she discovered that somebody had stubbed out several cigarettes on the cat’s body.
(I don’t know how the cat got out of the apartment. I’m assuming that there was a cat flap to allow the cat to come and go when the woman was out).
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These people are pussies and that’s why they hurt animals. Hell even serial killers are fucking pussies. Most if not all of them do their dirty jobs with the help of weapons and or other people.
My first reaction was to find the bitch, beat her on camera, and post the video…adding the clip AFTER the clip of her throwing the puppies into the river…so that people would feel she “got hers, too.”
but then I read RSGZ and a few other poster’s comments about “that part of the world.” I believe it because I remembered visiting family overseas (I was 9 years old) and we were in this prairie/desert area with some fresh water streams. The locals showed one of my cousins ( a few years older than me at the time, so maybe 14) how many frogs were in the streams and how to catch them. They would catch them and toss them in the air (holding them by one leg) and drop kick them into the air. They would either die (guts would come out of their mouths) or fall onto the ground and try to get away.
I couldn’t bring myself to do it but didn’t have the reaction that I would’ve had now. It made me sick to think of it, but:
“that part of the world” + young age + hysteria OR “id generator” (i.e. a camera) = some really stupid, even cruel behavior, certainly not anything one would normally do…or anything that a “normal” person would do.
Another part of me believes that desensitization does NOT mean that you forget Right vs. Wrong. You never do, but a base level of sensitivity is often enough to make us hesitate, get introspective, and think about something enough to where we weight consequence and post-activity sentiment/guilt. “Sensitivity” keeps us from going through with it.
I’m not excusing her and still think she should be punished beyond incarceration, but just joining the convo on cultural differences.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
rape[/quote]
I hope you’re joking.
I like the point where animal should not suffer such as throwing them into a river. We have other humane ways of putting animals to death. Even then slaugtering animals comes about a quick .22 to the head, not being drowned than killed (Yes, I know extreme but you get the idea). You have to respect animals.
I did shoot a robin with a pellet gun once, never again have I pointed a gun at a animal. In the end could not fly and later died of what I think was dehydration. It did not desensitize me at all. Like Pounce posted you don’t forget right from wrong. I knew it was wrong in the end and learned from it. Personally would I ever throw puppies into a river before I knew right from wrong? No, you just don’t do that regardless of culture etc. They are called morals and it was something that girl did not have.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
My first reaction was to find the bitch, beat her on camera, and post the video…adding the clip AFTER the clip of her throwing the puppies into the river…so that people would feel she “got hers, too.”
but then I read RSGZ and a few other poster’s comments about “that part of the world.” I believe it because I remembered visiting family overseas (I was 9 years old) and we were in this prairie/desert area with some fresh water streams. The locals showed one of my cousins ( a few years older than me at the time, so maybe 14) how many frogs were in the streams and how to catch them. They would catch them and toss them in the air (holding them by one leg) and drop kick them into the air. They would either die (guts would come out of their mouths) or fall onto the ground and try to get away.
I couldn’t bring myself to do it but didn’t have the reaction that I would’ve had now. It made me sick to think of it, but:
“that part of the world” + young age + hysteria OR “id generator” (i.e. a camera) = some really stupid, even cruel behavior, certainly not anything one would normally do…or anything that a “normal” person would do.
Another part of me believes that desensitization does NOT mean that you forget Right vs. Wrong. You never do, but a base level of sensitivity is often enough to make us hesitate, get introspective, and think about something enough to where we weight consequence and post-activity sentiment/guilt. “Sensitivity” keeps us from going through with it.
I’m not excusing her and still think she should be punished beyond incarceration, but just joining the convo on cultural differences.[/quote]
“Id generator”…I like that.