Girl Dismissed From LIFTING Class!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

If it were my sister I would probably thank the guy for looking out for her and just remind him to provide more security back there if it is that much of a concern.[/quote]

““She is up there with a bunch of football players, a 24- to 25-year-old coach, the only girl ? there is a safety issue there. It was a hard call for the principal to make,” Knight answered.”

Dude. There was a fucking COACH present!

I mean, basically, the principal was saying “Hey, I don’t even trust my coaches not to rape young girls!”

I hate the stupid male bashing in this society.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Conner, you fucking rule!
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Haha, thanks Malo. I had inspiration for that post.

[quote]conner wrote:
Ogree wrote:
Ever watched Fox News Channel or read the Washington Times?

Of course there are exceptions to this, just as there are exceptions to everything. In regards to journalism, someone once said “there has always been a tension between getting it first and getting it right.” Unfortunately, there are oftentimes errors in reporting that are the result of hasty fact checking in order to meet deadlines.

However, it’s simply ridiculous to view every news article as being full of fictitious material simply because every so often you find errors, misinterpretations, or biases elsewhere. You can always find examples of journalists fucking up- it’s a fast paced, high pressure gig, but let’s not let a few apples spoil the bunch.[/quote]

ever heard of dan rather ?

and will you quit with the bullshit ?
no one is saying all media. again you’ve made a ridiculous leap from an issue with this one single article to [quote]“it’s simply ridiculous to view every news article as being full of fictitious material”[/quote]right in front of you is an example of a journalist “fucking up” and you refuse to see it. that reporter put words into his mouth. until he/she actually quotes mccracken from a verifyable source that is fact. you are saying facts don’t matter.

[quote]conner wrote:
Just like it’s too much to ask for for you to use the Shift key (unless you forgot to go to class the day they taught you when to capitalize words).[/quote]

i’m not trying to prove anything. besides i don’t " have any IDEA what kind of work, exactly, goes into fact checking an article before it gets printed ANY idea whatsoever " remember ? so why would you expect i know how to type ?[quote]

Question: why do you keep tossing the word ‘anonymous’ into your argument? Since when is that word synonymous with “conniving liar?”
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you really are retarded.[quote]

Do you honestly think that the reason why the author’s name isn’t printed is because he/she knows the article is full of lies?
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it certainly helps doesn’t it.[quote]

You CAN NOT prove he never said rape. [/quote]
presuming innocence, it’s a little more important to prove what he DID say.

because i asked three questions or because i’d like to see accurate reporting ?

i’m not assuming anything; that’s why i asked the questions. my reasons are clearly stated. "full of lies " is your phrase not mine. my questions still have not been answered.

no, i’m taking issue with a single article here. and i’m not making an argument because i’m not trying to prove anything.

oh snap ! nothing gets by you.

[quote]conner wrote:

If you have nothing to contribute other than deliberately misquoting me and taking what I say out of context, then why bother posting?[/quote]

He’s probably following your example.

[quote]conner wrote:
Arc_1mpuls3 wrote:
conner wrote:
Unfortunately, there are oftentimes errors in reporting that are the result of hasty fact checking

view every news article as being full of fictitious material because so often you find errors, misinterpretations, or biases.

You can always find examples of journalists fucking up

Thank you for your co-operation.

If you have nothing to contribute other than deliberately misquoting me and taking what I say out of context, then why bother posting?[/quote]

Because I was more concerned with proving my point than getting the facts right.

Much like a good chunk of media today is more concerned with getting viewers/readers than they are getting everything 100% correct. To further my point, web articles aren’t exactly held to the same standards that a major news channel may be (I don’t know I am not experienced in the field) but I can guarantee that television is restricted to a greater degree than the internet.

You know, as I am sure you do, not everything written is true.

[quote]ThatGirl77 wrote:

The girl’s case got attention. Now the school needs to change policy.
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What policy? It was a personal judgement call on the part of the principal. And then he thought about it and changed his mind.

I mean the principal yanked her from the class because he thought that it wouldn’t be safe. He changed his mind and she was back in the class THREE days later and got an A. Now more than a year AFTERWARDS she’s suing?!?

And to top it off that guy is no longer the principal of the school.

To everyone whos saying “i wouldn’t do it”. Stfu, they are not you are they?

In my opinion i think that the principal should have consultated parents and the girl in question before kicking her out (although it doesnt realy matter for 3 days).

But the point of her trying to make a claim on something she surpassed in as something which has damaged her is absurb, no-one should have any right to claim on something that they exceled at.

“I’m good at computers, i could be a potential hacker, but i never did, it caused “emotional” distres making this choice, which caused physical sickness, give me $1mil Mr internet guy”

[quote]wires wrote:
Professor X wrote:

If it were my sister I would probably thank the guy for looking out for her and just remind him to provide more security back there if it is that much of a concern.

““She is up there with a bunch of football players, a 24- to 25-year-old coach, the only girl ? there is a safety issue there. It was a hard call for the principal to make,” Knight answered.”

Dude. There was a fucking COACH present!

I mean, basically, the principal was saying “Hey, I don’t even trust my coaches not to rape young girls!”

I hate the stupid male bashing in this society.

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I believe he thought the coach could not stop the hazing and grab assing that he thought would occur.

Remember grabbing a girls ass is considered sexual assault by many.

The chances of her getting her ass grabbed may have been quite real.

It is insulting to the coach but I am sure he did not think the coach would rape her.

[quote]conner wrote:
Ogree wrote:
Ever watched Fox News Channel or read the Washington Times?

Of course there are exceptions to this, just as there are exceptions to everything. In regards to journalism, someone once said “there has always been a tension between getting it first and getting it right.” Unfortunately, there are oftentimes errors in reporting that are the result of hasty fact checking in order to meet deadlines.[/quote]

You can’t be serious, can you?! Exceptions?! Fox news is the NUMBER ONE cable news channel in America! Before anyone attack me and says “it’s cable!” keep in mind that if you are a news junkie (and apparently millions are), it matters that the farce that is the Fox News Channel is the number one show in America.

Watch the movie “OUTFOXED: Rupert Murdoch’s War on Journalism” and you may be able to understand where my question came from. That’s not the only source I can cite but it is the most well known. Don’t be so naive as to believe that journalism in this country is “unbiased.” Have a listen to White House reporter’s questions 20 years ago as opposed to today’s questions.

On top of this keep in mind the earlier post someone made about the Dan Rather incident - News is more about sensationalism than truth in this country…

Thus the reason we are known 'round the world as “Corporate” America…

[quote]Arc_1mpuls3 wrote:

Much like a good chunk of media today is more concerned with getting viewers/readers than they are getting everything 100% correct. To further my point, web articles aren’t exactly held to the same standards that a major news channel may be (I don’t know I am not experienced in the field) but I can guarantee that television is restricted to a greater degree than the internet.

You know, as I am sure you do, not everything written is true. [/quote]

This is true. Although, the article was one by the Associated Press, and if I remember my journalism class correctly, AP is involved in about 1,500 newspapers and over triple that in radio/television stations in the U.S. alone. This is by no means some obscure publication no one knows of.

In fact, a little snippet from their Statement of News Values and Principles:

“Nothing in our news report - words, photos, graphics, sound or video - may be fabricated.”

Of course, they could always just be lying about that, too.

As for correcting misinformation:

[i]"Staffers must notify supervisory editors as soon as possible of errors or potential errors, whether in their work or that of a colleague. Every effort should be made to contact the staffer and his or her supervisor before a correction is moved.

When we’re wrong, we must say so as soon as possible. When we make a correction in the current cycle, we point out the error and its fix in the editor’s note. A correction must always be labeled a correction in the editor’s note. We do not use euphemisms such as “recasts,” “fixes,” “clarifies” or “changes” when correcting a factual error.

For corrections on live, online stories, we overwrite the previous version. We send separate corrective stories online as warranted."[/i]

The story has yet to be altered for corrections. This story is probably all over the place- more so out where it’s local and relevant. I would think the principal or his lawyer or someone would have contacted the AP to correct such those statements had they been untrue, or gotten in touch with a different news publication had AP refused to correct their article.

Now, if you all still insist on calling them sensationalist liars, well I just don’t know what to say. I guess there really isn’t anything I can say (not that there was in the first place, of course).

This is a rather huge source of news, and as far as I know it doesn’t have the ridiculous reputation that Fox News has (could be wrong here, I don’t follow it that closely).

As for, “do ya real1y think they would print a notis sayin they will lie to sell paperz? are u retarded lol 4realz?”

Well, I have this here metal bucket…

Realistically, at this point, all we can do is wait for it to play out and see what the principal really meant/said. I, for one, know what I’m placing my money on.

[quote]conner wrote:
Arc_1mpuls3 wrote:

Much like a good chunk of media today is more concerned with getting viewers/readers than they are getting everything 100% correct. To further my point, web articles aren’t exactly held to the same standards that a major news channel may be (I don’t know I am not experienced in the field) but I can guarantee that television is restricted to a greater degree than the internet.

You know, as I am sure you do, not everything written is true.

This is true. Although, the article was one by the Associated Press, and if I remember my journalism class correctly, AP is involved in about 1,500 newspapers and over triple that in radio/television stations in the U.S. alone. This is by no means some obscure publication no one knows of.

In fact, a little snippet from their Statement of News Values and Principles:

“Nothing in our news report - words, photos, graphics, sound or video - may be fabricated.”

Of course, they could always just be lying about that, too.

As for correcting misinformation:

[i]"Staffers must notify supervisory editors as soon as possible of errors or potential errors, whether in their work or that of a colleague. Every effort should be made to contact the staffer and his or her supervisor before a correction is moved.

When we’re wrong, we must say so as soon as possible. When we make a correction in the current cycle, we point out the error and its fix in the editor’s note. A correction must always be labeled a correction in the editor’s note. We do not use euphemisms such as “recasts,” “fixes,” “clarifies” or “changes” when correcting a factual error.

For corrections on live, online stories, we overwrite the previous version. We send separate corrective stories online as warranted."[/i]

The story has yet to be altered for corrections. This story is probably all over the place- more so out where it’s local and relevant. I would think the principal or his lawyer or someone would have contacted the AP to correct such those statements had they been untrue, or gotten in touch with a different news publication had AP refused to correct their article.

Now, if you all still insist on calling them sensationalist liars, well I just don’t know what to say. I guess there really isn’t anything I can say (not that there was in the first place, of course).

This is a rather huge source of news, and as far as I know it doesn’t have the ridiculous reputation that Fox News has (could be wrong here, I don’t follow it that closely).

As for, “do ya real1y think they would print a notis sayin they will lie to sell paperz? are u retarded lol 4realz?”

Well, I have this here metal bucket…

Realistically, at this point, all we can do is wait for it to play out and see what the principal really meant/said. I, for one, know what I’m placing my money on.[/quote]

Yo Conner,

Isn’t the A.P. reliant on what info the government or source gives them as well as their status as a Corporation?

I assume they are since they consistently request further information from the government based on the Freedom of information Act. Sometimes they are given further information, sometimes they are not. Meet King Gearge Bush, he is your boy not mine. Your cohort, your gay lover, Gearge.

At any rate, the point here is that believing what you see in one mass media news reel as fact is an error of judgement.

You were owned by a pre-historic Ogre in this discussion.

Now if you want me to believe you went from 15" arms to 20" arms in one year with your daddy’s 1960 Navy training method, well then I just might have to stalk you and beat you Rodney King style.

Understand I think highly of you. Your posts are normally intelligent and well thought out, but to give so much credit to any news source is an eror.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
jacross wrote:
I’d be shocked if it got past the end of the week. You all whinge when people bring an action. Whinge when that action succeeds because then you have the problem.

I’ll also be shocked if all the people oh so offended by this bother to follow up on the result.

First, what is “whinge”?

Second, the fact that the claim was made is very much a problem in and of itself. This has been discussed before in relation to increased insurance rates for medical physicians based on the filed claims regardless of the outcome.

It is perceived as “OK” to file law suits every time your feelings get hurt. the fact that the media very rarely equally follows up on the defeat of such claims allows it to continue happening…because the general public often only hears of the filed claim alone. If the result is never reported on, how could we follow it up? Call the girl directly in college? Do you have her phone number?[/quote]

You don’t have ‘whinge’ in America? Wow culture shock guys. I think an equivalent would be to ‘whine’ about something.

Law is all about precedent, I’m not saying frivilous law suits aren’t a problem themselves as it costs money to defend yourself. I personally advocate the ability to counterclaim for such things.

However idiots are idiots, I learned a long time ago that you can’t change that. If the courts came down on the side of the idiots THEN we have a problem, and while I think torts law is in serious need of reform, I don’t believe here though that there is much grounds for an action. Too much faith in the legal system? Although I’m quite cynical maybe not enough.

In regards to following it up. I meant you simply look up the case, it should be reported just like any other. Perhaps I am being too much of a law student on that one.

Why can’t people be liable for themselves?

There’s always someone else to blame.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Isn’t the A.P. reliant on what info the government or source gives them as well as their status as a Corporation?

I assume they are since they consistently request further information from the government based on the Freedom of information Act. Sometimes they are given further information, sometimes they are not. Meet King Gearge Bush, he is your boy not mine. Your cohort, your gay lover, Gearge.[/quote]

a) I have no idea as to what the AP is reliant on…I’m a college student; the only “news” I come into contact with is SportsCenter and what Dilbert’s latest corporate woe happens to be
b) Actually, I’m a Democratic Heathen (or, an aging liberal hippie douche, depending on who you ask)
c) It’s GeOrge…at least, that’s what I write on my Valentine’s Day card to him

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
At any rate, the point here is that believing what you see in one mass media news reel as fact is an error of judgement.[/quote]

No, my ORIGINAL point (before all this talk of media bias) is that if an article mentions rape, comments on said article aren’t completely off base if they involve the discussion of rape.

I just don’t see the point of discussing the merits of the case if we just assume the article is lying in regards to what the case is really all about.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
You were owned by a pre-historic Ogre in this discussion.[/quote]

He made some excellent points, yes. To be perfectly honest, this isn’t a subject I consider myself versed enough in to argue.

And I think I would consider ogres to be more along the lines of fictitious than prehistoric. But then again, I might have just mixed my English/History classes up.

Is Malcolm X a Stephen King character? If so, then I’m right.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Now if you want me to believe you went from 15" arms to 20" arms in one year with your daddy’s 1960 Navy training method, well then I just might have to stalk you and beat you Rodney King style.[/quote]

?

[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
There’s always someone else to blame.[/quote]

Yup, especially when there’s money involved.

Now, let’s eat some fucking turkey and get sloshed.

[quote]conner wrote:

Now, let’s eat some fucking turkey and get sloshed.[/quote]

I just successfully completed this mission!!!

[quote]Petedacook wrote:

Understand I think highly of you. Your posts are normally intelligent and well thought out, but to give so much credit to any news source is an eror.[/quote]

I also have to agree with this. I don’t normally post responses unless I feel a strong compulsion so please don’t take my earlier post as an attack on you. Normally I am content to just sit back and read the forum. I find that your posts, those that I have read at least, by and large, seem to be well thought out and intelligently presented.

[quote]cvb wrote:
I feel the principal used poor judgement but rectified the problem in the end. The girl missed 3 classes. No big deal. I think the law suit is about money not what is right.

I have 4 children in the public school system. I deal with bad decisions made by teachers and principals all the time. You talk to them and try to resolve the problem. Law suits should be the last resort and should not be over something frivolous. She was allowed back in class, the law suit should be dropped. If they are still going through with the law suit then it is about money.
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How big of a deal this was was based on how big of a deal the people dealing with it found it as individuals thinking upon the situation, it also is about your personality and how you usually react to such hiccups. Some people take it in stride, some approach it aggressively.

My father would think the absolute opposite of you-he would make the law suit near to the first thing to do to give it attention so nobody else would make that idiotic of a mistake, some people feel some issues need that type of attention for the greater good of everyone that takes notice to it.

This is about gender-a touchy subject-its very different from everyday battles with parents and teachers.
But thats my opinion, its also my opinion that that alone makes it nowhere near to being “frivolous”

Phillips vs. McCracken

Phil and McCracken

Phil McCracken

hmmm…

If he thought she would be raped, then there’s a bigger problem here.
Suspend the males, don’t kick out the girls.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
swivel wrote:

jeez-s, within 2 minutes it would have started with jokes in the corner about tag-team t-bagging; quickly escalated to miming the rodeo behind her back; and by the third day someone would’ve taken the open dare to rip cheese while spotting her bench, cause her to drop the bar, marcia brady her own nose, and subsequently miss the prom. then we’re talking a possible million dollar situation like, for realz.

Exactly. And she seems the type to file a sexual harassment suit.[/quote]

Not Exactly. Thats what would happen the majority of the time, but it feels wrong to say that because in high school I had 9 of 10 of my very close friends having been raped by guys including myself.

One girl was raped at a party by two guys and video taped while these assholes watched and laughed and my boyfriend at the time found them and told on them and then he ended up leaving the school
(for another one down the street, it wasnt really dramatic)

because EVERYONE hated him for protecting her who is not even Near to being a slut. Even the girls were mean to him for it. The guys keyed his car three times among other things, and he got tired of retaliating. She didnt even drink and she wouldnt dance because of her religion. She went to the party because she was friends with girls that did party but not in excess.

My point is-there Are some really shitty people out there that would do things that are way worse than swivel is saying. And there are some coaches that could be unprepared for it.

One of my best friends, if you have a gf/wife that looks at Glamour magazine-the issue with Jennifer Lopez on the front of it has an article about my best friend who got raped for 12 years by a high school coach (i dated his son if you can see how Im going) and two other coaches at the supposedly christian school knew about it because she would see them when he would do it to her up at the schools gym and they didnt do a damn thing about it

You cant just cancel out scenarios just because they arent talked about as much/seen by your own eyes.
I didnt even know what was coming when all of this shit came onto me because I did the same thing as yall are doing. An ass grab isnt much-it is harassment but its not really that much, just means they think your cute-I never paid it mind then/called attention to it because I didnt think of it as something really bad I just took it in stride and being apathetic to noticing those small things ended up being my “fatal mistakes”

Ass-grabbing and things on that level as the max of what couldve happened SOUNDS to be true for the majority of incidences and things like that are easier to talk about amongst people-but you cant sweep every other thing that couldve happened under the rug because of those factors.