Also, it makes my left arm go numb as of a week ago. That’s pretty much constant, but I googled that, and just guessed it was cts. My first jab today made my left side of stomach feel like someone’s hit me there. Well I’m guessing it was the jab, because it started hurting about ten mins after.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Lover95 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
The area under the curve is not the best thing to look at. Sure, there may be ‘more’ GH in the body for longer, with exo GH administered subQ, however that does not tell the whole story by any means.
It would be better to have 1 short pulse of GH than a 12 hour long ‘pulse’.
BBB[/quote]
Bx3: If you can get g6 for 6 cents a dose, then obviously that’s the cheapest choice by far. g6 is a good PED, don’t get me wrong.
My point about the graph not showing endo gh is that it’s obviously computer generated based on dat’s predictions, not based on actual blood tests.
Dat’s explanation of why CJC-1295 w/DAc and why hGH aren’t good is because he says “pulsitile” gh is better. He says it’s better because woman tend to constantly release small amounts of GH while men tend to release pulses. He calls a constant release of GH female style GH. Check the thread, that’s really what he said. I guess that means exo GH can cause gyno, but g6 can’t…
Not to bash the guy, but DAT is a life extention pseudoscience guy who fasts for days, not a PLer. I wouldn’t take his word as gospel, although he’s made many good posts, and seems well educated.
A small dose of GH isn’t necessarily suppressive, whereas the total amount of gh released by g6 is the endo gh spike + the extra GH released by amplifying that spike. So 3iu of exo gh = 3iu exo + 1iu endo. Total amount of GH in the body using peptides is 3-5iu. I dont know if i explained that well. My keyboard isnt working well. Hard to tpe.
Peptides are def. supressive. The pituitary can only produce so much GH. It has a reserve of GH which I believe is used up when using peptides. G6 could also cause supression of endo ghrelin, for example. It’s suppressive the way hCG is supressive.
Also, peptides haven’t gone through clinical trials. They aren’t approved medications. hGH is approved, as are most steroids.[/quote]
LOL, I dare you to post this over at dats. You’ll get a short, sharp shock I suspect.
Let me counter a few of your ‘points’…
Dat has many justifications as to why pulsatile GH is better, you just haven’t bothered to try and understand them. When you get to grips with GH receptor expression and the effects different isoforms have and the reasons why we need baseline periods of GH, then perhaps you’ll get the bigger picture.
To call dat ‘pseudoscience’ is just fucking ridiculous. He’s one of THE most well-read and scientific people I think I’ve ever had the sincere pleasure of discoursing with. Full stop.
So. According to you, someone who fasts has a less valid opinion and education on peptides than a powerlifter. What a toolish thing to say. Utter tosh, sorry.
I don’t take his word as gospel. Why? Becuase it would be a dissapointment to him, since he wants people to arrive at their own conclusions.
No, you did not explain yourself at all well. From what I see, you have butchered the science.
In fact, about the only point you make that has any degree of validity is when you say “G6 is a good PED”. Everything else has the strong whiff of bullshit.
You sir, need to stop believing that you know very much and try to appreciate that certain folks who DO know what they are talking about, don’t feel the need to try and prove themselves by undermining other (more intelligent) theorists and researchers.
Catch my drift?
Oh and please post what you wrote over at dats’s. If anyone stoops to reply to such utter garbage, I suspect they will have plenty of information for you. Whether you choose to act on said info is your choice.
BBB[/quote]
You didn’t counter any of my points. He is one of those life extension people. He isn’t into physique enhancement, so his advice is probably gear more towards ‘life extension’. That way, by extending his life through vitamins, he can upload his brain into a computer.
I’m not calling dat himself pseudoscience, I’m calling the stuff the wacky resveratrol crowd is into pseudoscience. It’s funny you never hear people talking about resveratrol anymore, by the way.
Has anyone ever show there’s a functional differece between the 20dka and 22dka gh? And he did say that have a constant high level of GH is bad because it’s “female”. I read through his thread and didn’t see him post other reasons why it’s bad. Maybe you can enlighten me.
Fml. that’s money down the drain. Just reconstituted a new vial today as well
I just started GHRP-6 with mod grf 1-29 and besides the little poke of a needle I haven’t had anything resembling pain.
I also haven’t had massive hunger pangs which is good because I’m dieting anyway.
Now I just hope I actually get some results… mostly hoping for some help with aches and pains and healing injuries.
136mcg GHRP-6 (based on weight), 100mcg GRF 1-29 4x a day (morning, lunch, post-workout, bedtime)
Well IGF-1 is beneficial in speeding up the healing process for tendon/cartilage issues and elevated HGH levels means higher IGF-1 levels so you can assume that spiking hgh will help these problems you are having.
EDIT: Sorry didn’t even see there was another page before I posted this response.
Oh and incase anyone cares, a friend of mine has been using ghrp6 for about a month now with the addition of cjc 1295 no DAC the past 2 weeks and got blood work done.
His IGF-1 level was 342.0 ng/ml with the normal range being 117-329, so this stuff works.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Oh and incase anyone cares, a friend of mine has been using ghrp6 for about a month now with the addition of cjc 1295 no DAC the past 2 weeks and got blood work done.
His IGF-1 level was 342.0 ng/ml with the normal range being 117-329, so this stuff works.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, what kind of dosage is he using? and how often?
[quote]Barge wrote:
136mcg GHRP-6 (based on weight), 100mcg GRF 1-29 4x a day (morning, lunch, post-workout, bedtime)[/quote]
odd i thought even (relatively) small doses would cause at least some hunger… i assume you are taking your dose then waiting 25-30 mins to eat?
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]Barge wrote:
136mcg GHRP-6 (based on weight), 100mcg GRF 1-29 4x a day (morning, lunch, post-workout, bedtime)[/quote]
odd i thought even (relatively) small doses would cause at least some hunger… i assume you are taking your dose then waiting 25-30 mins to eat?
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From what I’ve read it typically seems to be the oversaturated doses that tend to cause the most hunger.
I do get some slight increase in hunger I think but it’s nothing unmanageable. Any hunger increase I do get isn’t enough to bother me in 30minutes. Post workout seems to be my largest hunger increase but I expect that’s because i’d be hungry regardless.
Potentially stupid question to BBB:
Ive been to the hospital today about the chest pains. Had an ECG , x ray and neuro tests. They said my heart was fine and they had no idea what it was. With this info, would it be an idea to carry on taking the ghrp6 in your expertise?
Now if this question is as stupid as i think, by all means call me a knob and tell me to get the fuck out. I just thought id ask
[quote]rugggby wrote:
Fml. that’s money down the drain. Just reconstituted a new vial today as well[/quote]
Maybe not. Pain in the chest is notoriously non-specific. While any chest pain needs a check, I would personally not be surprised if the pain is your stomach emptying out and producing a bit too much acid — i.e., indigestion.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]rugggby wrote:
Fml. that’s money down the drain. Just reconstituted a new vial today as well[/quote]
Maybe not. Pain in the chest is notoriously non-specific. While any chest pain needs a check, I would personally not be surprised if the pain is your stomach emptying out and producing a bit too much acid — i.e., indigestion.[/quote]
It was pretty much constant though mate. Stopped taking it and two days ago the pains got sharper, then they were at their worst yesterday. That’s why I went to the hospital.
i have just started running ghrp-6, i am shooting sub-q in the abdomen as i am injecting it is really sore, is this normal? i have never had any pain when using steroids before but this is a serious nipping when going in? also i just wanted to double check when recon’n a 5mg vial with 2.5 ml of bac water, thats 5 marks on the syringe for 100mcgs, dont give me a abuse would appreciate the advice!
Lots of good information in this thread.
[quote]Barge wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Oh and incase anyone cares, a friend of mine has been using ghrp6 for about a month now with the addition of cjc 1295 no DAC the past 2 weeks and got blood work done.
His IGF-1 level was 342.0 ng/ml with the normal range being 117-329, so this stuff works.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, what kind of dosage is he using? and how often?[/quote]
200 mcg ghrp6 with 100 mcg cjc 1295 no dac everyday upon waking and after training.
[quote]bmc88 wrote:
i have just started running ghrp-6, i am shooting sub-q in the abdomen as i am injecting it is really sore, is this normal? i have never had any pain when using steroids before but this is a serious nipping when going in? also i just wanted to double check when recon’n a 5mg vial with 2.5 ml of bac water, thats 5 marks on the syringe for 100mcgs, dont give me a abuse would appreciate the advice![/quote]
Abdomen soreness sucks but is the norm. Yes to your recon question given your pins are 1/2 cc.
you notice a big difference adding cjc?
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
you notice a big difference adding cjc?[/quote]
Stuck at 276-278 lbs for about 2 months, added in cjc and was 282 two weeks later. Nothing else changed.