Getting Opiates Prescribed for Pain

I’ve been lurking on this site for a few months now, the op’s attitude is so concerning I felt compelled to finally sign up. I don’t even know this guy but I know I’ll feel like shit if I don’t atleast try to discourage this.

I was addicted once and I will never forget the withdrawal. I literally laid on the floor of my bathroom in the dark for 3 days straight shaking, sweating, crying and puking my guts out. My whole body hurt, my teeth ached and my ears hurt. I thought I had willpower too, everybody does. Everybody thinks they’re different. I read you already do codeine, but OC is an entirely different monster man. The truth is you can’t mess with this stuff.

My roommate had a similar experience. He’s one of the smartest, most self aware dudes I know and by the end he was stealing his dad’s printer to pawn for heroine money. My brother stole my mom’s credit card and ripped her off 2 grand before he got caught.

You have no idea the lows you will end up going to. I really hope you’ll listen to these people because opiate addiction is something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

Yeah its an awesome feeling, but it’s not worth it. Even if you manage to be a functioning addict and go to work and whatnot it will leave you a shell of a person emotionally.

Just don’t do it man. And fyi I’m not some internet dad, I’m 21 years old…

Is anyone else waiting for the T-cell call out that’ll result from this thread?

Terrible idea. Sounds like your back pain is secondary to your real issues and you’re just engaging in drug seeking behavior. Based on your story, you’re a prime candidate for opiate induced hyperalgesia. Opiates will never work for your pain for any length of time; you will only end up suffering more.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]

You should definitely listen to the above advice. I remember about a year ago when Ct. Rockula made a post about his drug use and essentially said the same things you are saying; denying his addiction or ability to become addicted and so on. It was pretty ignorant shit (no offense Rock) but at least he could point to his drug use as an excuse for his denial. You aren’t even using oxy yet and you’re basically already in denial. I’d hate to hear your denials when or if you become entangled in the throes of hardcore opiate addiction.

I’ve been on both sides of the fence just like Rockula. All joking about slitting your throat aside, listen to Rockula and listen to me. Rockula will be the first to tell you that your attitude very closely resembles his before he overcame his addictions. And it’s also very similar to mine before I got sober. Some people can use drugs and stop whenever they want and others cannot. But you are about to use oxy in a manner that is virtually guaranteeing future addiction, given your laissez faire attitude about addiction. If you think back pain is having a detrimental effect on your life, you haven’t seen shit yet. Cocaine, alcohol, crystal meth, they’re all highly addictive, but they PALE in comparison to opiates, and oxy is one hell of an opiate.

Glad to hear you’re doing well Rockula.[/quote]

Thanks, I’ve conquered that demon but it still haunts every now and then. My girl and I are behind the scenes in rave life now (OG status lol) so we really don’t face a lot of those issues or tempttions anymore. Our current concern is helping our contemporaries see their hazardous engagements before it’s too late…it’s like fighting the devil in his bedroom, but there is great potential for many victories.

Thanks again, and congrats on your sobriety as well.

Guys, don’t waste your time trying to discourage me. I know what I’m doing and it’s my life. If you’ve got advice on how to get a script, like Eric 2.0 posted, I welcome that. Otherwise, don’t bother.

You don’t know what you are doing, but that is only your problem, and anyone unlucky enough to be close family and friends. Go die for all I care.

How do you plan to combine the army and heavy drug use?

[quote]espenl wrote:
You don’t know what you are doing, but that is only your problem, and anyone unlucky enough to be close family and friends. Go die for all I care.

How do you plan to combine the army and heavy drug use?[/quote]

If your on pain killers like OXY’s your not getting into the army/marines or any other service. They are going to say fuck off. Someone on pain killers is a liability.

In other words they are going to look at you like a junkie with an automatic assault rifle. Not the safest combo.

Also if your in pain how to do you expect to get past boot?

And if your in so much pain how the hell do you do any type of lifting that makes it worth being on a site like this.

I think your a troll little kid that needs to straighten the fuck up.

I would be very, very surprised if any doctor would write you a script for Oxycodone. Many docs attend CMEs about weeding out junkies looking for recreational scripts.

I know you’re not going to listen to anybody here, but I’m curious about your train of thought. “Acquiring these potent opioids, so addictive that men have been known to suck dick for a pill, is an excellent idea that will have no repercussions whatsover”.

A kid I knew from high school became addicted to Oxys. He’s in jail now. He caved in the side of his mother’s face with about 6 right hooks because she wouldn’t give him money to buy more. Broken cheekbone, broken eye socket, broken jaw, several teeth knocked out. His MOTHER.

But hey, enjoy! Sounds like you’ve gotten everything planned out, and I’m sure you’re the exception to the rule and the pills will add great depth and meaning to your life, instead of leaving you crying in a fetal position on the floor with 6 pounds of impacted feces in your colon.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]
You were hooked on coke, I lost almost a month of memory and almost went to prison on benzos. But we’re both gravy now. And I don’t need to steal money to buy drugs. I can finance my drug habits just fine. Appreciate the concern, though. Withdrawals aren’t that fucking bad. You feel like shit for a week or two, then it’s over. Totally worth it for months of awesomeness.[/quote]

I’m seriously beginning to doubt the veracity of your posts. You must be trolling. If not, save this thread and go back to it when you run out of oxy and the withdrawals set in.[/quote]

He won’t be able to-- he’ll be too busy with a dick in his mouth and one in each hand ‘working’ for his next script.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Artem, please do not ruin your life with this shit. I’ve seen a strict church going woman gangbanged and videotaped for two 80 oxy’s…essentially turned into a prostitute after getting hooked from a 15 pill script. This is NO JOKE, THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE OUTLOOK ONLY MISERY! As a recovering coke addict, please DO NOT do this to yourself.

you aint even 20, are you? You really want to get your shit wrecked like this?

you will suck a dick for an oxy )if you dont you will be highly tempted), you want that? You want your family and friends to hide their shit when you come around? You want to sell your siblings’ or parent’s shit for pill money? IT WILL HAPPEN!

Living this life I’ve had, I’ve seen both sides of the game and everyone says “oh, it will be fine” but when that first headache hits you and your bottle is empty you’re on the ground BEGGING TO DIE.

bro, listen![/quote]
You were hooked on coke, I lost almost a month of memory and almost went to prison on benzos. But we’re both gravy now. And I don’t need to steal money to buy drugs. I can finance my drug habits just fine. Appreciate the concern, though. Withdrawals aren’t that fucking bad. You feel like shit for a week or two, then it’s over. Totally worth it for months of awesomeness.[/quote]

I’m seriously beginning to doubt the veracity of your posts. You must be trolling. If not, save this thread and go back to it when you run out of oxy and the withdrawals set in.[/quote]

He won’t be able to-- he’ll be too busy with a dick in his mouth and one in each hand ‘working’ for his next script.[/quote]

Oh, I HATE it when that happens…

I’m sorry for ever trying to help you. Based on your new “Join the Marines” thread, I see your back pain story was absolute bullshit. Any legit doctor will easily see that you just want drugs, and won’t give you a script.

But I’m sure you’ll get your hands on oxy anyway, so good luck with your impending soul-fucking addiction.

You want to join the Marines with back pain that becomes a 7-8/10 after standing around for a bit? You are really naive or just plain stupid then. Fix your back, dont use pain meds to mask the issue and change your mood, thats just idiotic. Didnt read the entire thread, just the first post, so if someone already said this, my bad.

where does your back hurt?

I had pain before (mid-late teens, now 22) that your posting reminds me of, and from just “pushing through” I have been doing my own rehab (docs werent very helpful for the most part) and its all uphill because I didnt fix sooner.

along with tonnes of shoulder problems, the pain was actually my lower traps pulling away from my spine (this was terribly painful for hours on end, weeks at a time) with years of impinging shoulder and deactivated "breathing muscles on the right side(like lower traps, serratus from super tight and overactive pec minor), and terrible kyphosis…basically almost all my stuff is stupid rehab because I didnt honestly evaluate (oh I tried many times…but always tried to take shortcuts and didnt really learn what my body was doing and how it moved)

it took me a long time to figure out exactly whats going on (not that I know 100%), with many failed theories along the way…but I still hope in time I can get things evened out left to right, and stabilized there, so I can finally start pushing properly!

basically, without fixing everything, it just kept getting worse when I kept covering up and not dealing with it, I dont recommend you follow my path, it is not enjoyable

now, I obviously agree that the drugs is a bad idea and the sooner you swallow your pride, accept this and get councelling or whatever to improve your quality of life while you’re sober so you dont need to smoke weed to ‘facilitate’ your other drugs

if you atleast waited until you are healthy, physically and mentally and everything, then it wouldnt be so bad (because with it being strict recreation, you couldnt use the “I need it to stop pain” excuse and it would be easier to self regulate…also because I think and pray that in time you will decide against this idea altogehter)

if we work through this logically, a typical shift at most jobs is say 8 hours/day, 5X/week. if you want pain meds every time you’re standing more than a few hours, before you’re even taking them (so theres virtually no addictive tendancies yet, since you’re ‘good’ there you say)… so, now say you go hiking one day on weekends…you are looking to start at 6X/week,that’s bare minimum just to function. this isnt even getting into recreation/after hours yet, or taking any addictive properties into account.

We all think we’ve got it, and we’ll be fine…but seriously, do the math, and face the odds, with this recipe its literally a lottery scenario when this wouldn’t destroy ones life, no matter how strong they are

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Oxy is brutal shit but I love it. Stay away from it it you want to remain sane. Fix the problem…oxy is right there with heroin and morphine. Bad news if you get hooked man.

I was on the shit for six months with a ruptured disc, and I’m glad I don’t still have issues because I can become a pill whore in a few weeks. If you do get it take as prescribed and not 3x what is prescribed.

[/quote]

EVERYONE can become a pill whore in only a few weeks. As a health care professional for the last 15 years, and being on the front lines in busy regional trauma centers and large city Emergency departments, i can say with confidence that the OP already has a serious problem if he taking what he says he has been and still wants more.

Opiates change your brain’s perception of pain. they work in a very narrow window time, after that, your brain will interpret the absence of the euphoria a steady stream of opiates in your system as real pain. quicker than you can imagine it will take larger doses to obtain the same results.

this is a HUGE problem in the ED of this country nowdays. each month we have to deal with hundreds of “chronic pain” patients who are clogging up the system due to their dependency on opiates.

I can spot the drug seeking opiate/benzo addicts a mile away. they exhibit several very predictable tell-tell behaviors, it is actually funny to the point of pathetic how they think they can talk us into giving them what they want.

I have had a 22 year old, obvious fit and healthy young male who was in the department because he wanted narcotics for his 4 year chronic back pain actually leave his room and barge into a room where myself and the rest of the team were busting our ass trying to save the life of a 3 year old drowning victim who was in full resp arrest!!! he came in yelling and cursing us saying he had waited 3 hours and wanted something for his back pain now or he would sue us!

this is the type of selfish, dependent scum-bag you will become if you get into this game of opiates for your chronic pain problems.

Fuck, wait to you get to my age and then tell me you have pain every day.

I work in a pharmacy as a technician planning on going to pharmacy school soon and work in a hospital as a pharmacist.

I personally have seen it all in these past three years. Gun violence, threats, fights, crying, anything really just for a lortab or oxycodone. I work for an independent pharmacist where the rules and safety aren’t exactly the same as a corporation like CVS or Walgreens.

I’ve had people beg, offer hundreds amongst thousands just for a “few under the table” to hold them over until they can get to the pain clinic on Monday. I’ve witnessed a man pay $1,200 cash just for a script of oxycontin (extended release oxycodone) because his insurance dropped him for doctor shopping.

Granted, we have our customers who need pain medicine for obvious reasons and don’t abuse what they receive and have a conscious sense of once the pain is gone and bottle is empty, the pain pills are done. When I had my wisdom teeth cut out, Lortab 10’s were not enough to kill the pain, so I had to double up a few days on dosage. In a matter of 7 days, headaches, vomiting, and just overall hurting intensified, but I had to stick it out. I honestly believe I was becoming addicted to lortab.

I am actually moving on with my life and leaving the pharmacy only to shadow in the future for experience. I no longer want any part of a retail pharmacy where you have to deal with hundreds of drug addicts on a daily basis. The thing is, no matter where I go as a pharmacist, I may still have to deal with these people which truly saddens me that I may not pursue what I actually love to do because pill heads screw it up for the rest of us.

Good luck to you and the future you face. “Oh I’ll only use a pill here or there.” Famous last words, my friend.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I can spot the drug seeking opiate/benzo addicts a mile away. they exhibit several very predictable tell-tell behaviors, it is actually funny to the point of pathetic how they think they can talk us into giving them what they want.

I have had a 22 year old, obvious fit and healthy young male who was in the department because he wanted narcotics for his 4 year chronic back pain actually leave his room and barge into a room where myself and the rest of the team were busting our ass trying to save the life of a 3 year old drowning victim who was in full resp arrest!!! he came in yelling and cursing us saying he had waited 3 hours and wanted something for his back pain now or he would sue us!

this is the type of selfish, dependent scum-bag you will become if you get into this game of opiates for your chronic pain problems.

Fuck, wait to you get to my age and then tell me you have pain every day. [/quote]

My father is a physician and surgeon. Your stories and his are very similar. He’s trying to do his job as a health care provider and some asshole believes he/she is more important because of the addiction. It’s sad really, and it’s another reason to tack on the list of why I’m slowly giving up on humanity.

I can also spot the drug seekers from a mile away now, haha.

Wowâ?¦the (mis)information posted here has angered me enough to register to try to correct some of this before someone winds up dead.

First of all, combining opiates with other opiates or certain medications can kill you. Oxycodone and Xanax both cause respiratory distress and is a great way to kill even a young and healthy person. Anytime you use any sort of opiate you need to be aware of the other medication (AND supplements) you are using and disclose this to your pharmacist (doctorâ??s know less about drug interactions). Alcohol and opiate use is also particularly dangerous.

Doctors suck managing chronic pain, especially with younger persons. Like most people, doctors are biased and discriminate who they give drugs to and who they donâ??t. While they hand drugs out like M&Ms to cancer patients, younger chronic pain patients are not as (un)fortunate. Younger persons are stereotyped to be the ones who use drugs the most, but recent empirical evidence shows addiction is evenly spread.

Empirical evidence also shows that strong opiates are relatively poor choices for managing chronic pain and should be used as a last resort. This is amplified when the pain patient is a younger person. Despite what people say, opiates almost always cause the user some level of impairment and often, the user does not believe they are impaired which is particularly dangerous; I am talking about legal therapeutic doses. Obviously, illegal doses will cause even more impairment. As others have said, it causes brain changes, which are, at best, poorly understood. Opiates have absolutely no relation with the pain condition as they change the brainâ??s chemistry to not register pain and this all occurs inside of your brain. This can mask the underlying cause. All of the effects of opiate based drugs are not well understood, especially long-term use as until about 50 years ago, most people died early and opiates were not well studied. It is known that long-term opiate use requires a progressive increase in the amount of the medication due to opiate-tolerance, it DECREASES the pain threshold of the user considerably, often masks other problems and underlying causes, and that the brain can actually stimulate pain to convince the user to take more of a certain drug. Young people needing long-term pain control should avoid opiates simply based on the fact that if you continue to increase the dose as needed, you are eventually going to be taking so much that you are virtually incapable of even basic tasks. A person who is 80 years old does not have this issue as they are statistically going to die in the near future and that functionality may be less of a concern due to retirement and lesser social interaction standard of aging.

A lot about opiate addiction is not well understood. When opiates are used for longer periods of time, physical dependence occurs, which, like addition, abrupt discontinuation will result in withdrawal. Donâ??t panic, dependence is different from addicted and you are not going to wind up â??sucking dick for drug moneyâ?? after taking 30 Percocet or Vicodin pills you got when you injured yourself as both dependence and (physical) addiction take time to occur. With that said, psychological addiction can occur quicker but when used for real pain, this is not usually the case. Opiates are both safe and effective medications for controlling acute (short-term) pain. If strong opiates are used to manage chronic pain, recent evidence has shown that hydromorphone (Dilaudid) is the best choice due to a variety of reasons, one being lower observed rates of misuse. The use of an infusion pump (which does not let the patient take more than programmed) can be useful to patients with prior opiate addiction issues.

Now as far as the OP, he has shown almost all of the characteristics of drug seeking behavior. This can occur in chronic pain patients so it is a gray area. The information the OP has provided concerns me that this patient may go home and take the entire bottle of narcotics and OD, and so he would be ideal for an infusion pump and frequent drug testing to ensure he is not using other medications. With that said, many chronic pain patients research online how to best approach doctors because doctors are often overly cautious of prescribing and many people in serious need for opiates are denied (and stereotyped by most of society). This however is an institutional problem as one wrong move and a doctor could legally lose everything they have ever known. Consequently, this is tough, as our society has not adapted to suit the need of chronic disease patients and most especially, younger males in chronic pain. Obviously, any chronic pain patient needs a holistic treatment and management plan to try to decrease the pain long term, as stronger opiates are not usually sustainable. The basis of this holistic plan is eating well, exercising, and keeping a healthy BMI; this in most chronic pain patients reduces the pain substantially. Western ideals tell us to take a pill and we are ok, which is not the case at all for chronic pain conditions as they take a tremendous level of long-term effort on behalf of the patient himself.

I am so pissed from reading this because I am a chronic pain patient myself. I had severe pain that shot down my leg, was in my right testicle, near the got, and up my spine. It was so bad I went to the ER about ten times in 3 years. I saw numerous doctors, some who even directly told me I was just trying to get â??highâ?? and that the pain was: â??in my headâ?? and â??not as bad as you are making itâ??. One even said verbatim: â??go back to the street you fucking junkieâ??. After about 20 different doctors, a neurologist made a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis. With my GI problems I was also diagnosed with Crohnâ??s disease, which often accompanies autoimmune disorders like MS. I am 25 years old and male (a walking liability for doctors). Words cannot express the amount I have suffered. There have been many, many days where I have come very close to killing myself and only did not because I was in too much pain to get up and end it. To the person which suggested suicide, you are either very ignorant or just an outright asshole. Chronic pain patients have very high depression and suicide rates. I was in a MS support group and one of the people their who I made friends with blew the entire back of her skull open with a .357 Magnum.

As far as pain management medication, the primary strong narcotics I used were Percocet and Oxy Contin, both oxycodone drugs. Chemically speaking, these drugs are very close (composition wise) to heroin and when heroin is not available, heroin users prefer oxycodone to most other strong opioids. Even at the prescribed dose, my personality changed. I lost much short-term memory and had to resign my position within the government and withdraw from school. I became lazy, fat, stupid, and started to grow tits due to decreased testosterone (normal for use of narcotics long term). I was mentally impaired and I lost all ability to have emotion. I never had the â??rob for drug moneyâ?? but I still hurt a lot of people through forgetfulness and insensitivity. The dose went up with time and after about two years, I was taking a more than prescribed as the medication was no longer effective. Before I knew it, I had to take it just to feel normal and I realized that the dependence I had for some time was crossing over to a hard drug addiction. All opiates need to be increased for the same level of pain relief with time as the body builds an opiate tolerance. I hated myself so much and I could not live that way any more and so I changed my treatment plan. I did the opiate withdrawal cold-turkey and it is very intense but oxycodone withdrawal is about 4-7 days so it is not exceptionally long. Specialized PT and avoiding inflammatory foods helps, but I am still in a lot of daily pain and so I battle the psychological ramifications of addiction daily as my mind pushes me to take more medication for relief. I changed from Oxy Contin to a combination of tramadol (Ultram) and ketorolac (Toradol), which are actually less safe than most opiates but they do not have the mind altering affects of strong narcotics (tramadol is an opiate but not a narcotic and its addiction potential is small; ketorolac is a cox 1 NSAID and has many risks; anyone who might use it needs to consider the risk vs. benefit). I have spent the last year and a half picking up all of the pieces from the time I was on strong opiates and it has been hard, but I am mentally able to do it, which is more than I can say when I was on oxycodone.

Overall, the choice to use narcotics for acute pain is usually a good idea as they are safer than most NSAIDs when used as prescribed. Using them for long term control of chronic pain requires careful consideration of the risk versus benefit. Personally, I wish I never used any oxycodone for the purpose of long-term pain control but someone else may say the opposite thing. I had legitimate pain from two rather severe conditions and over time I became addicted to narcotics; this happens to the best of us. Even though the OP shows virtually every drug-seeking sign and shows the desire for impairment, you cannot initially discredit his level of pain without detailed analysis. If the OP is in legitimate pain and wants to decrease his level of pain, he needs a wider spectrum treatment and needs to be open to trying drugs other than strong narcotics, as other options exist, including antidepressants, pain-shifters, cox 1 NSAIDs, cox 2 NSAIDs, Tramadol, anticoagulants, and certain anxiety medications. He also needs to realize that without a solid plan of life changes, there is no medication that will make pain disappear completely. Beyond all, the OP needs to consider a LONG-TERM and SUSTAINABLE management plan that maximizes the quality of life, and that strong opiates, when used on a long-term basis, are a double-edged sword, as with the benefit of pain relief comes a variety of risks. The rest of us need to consider that the OP is in legitimate pain even though he shows a history of addiction issues and that denying him the medication necessary to decrease his pain to a manageable level is just as wrong as writing him any and every prescription he requests.

With his current attitude however, I do not feel positive about the OP’s ultimate health outcome.

You could always kick the shower wall. Guaranteed you will get pills for a broken foot.

[quote]NickZac wrote:

With his current attitude however, I do not feel positive about the OP’s ultimate health outcome.[/quote]

Did you see the date on this? It’s long ago and far away now, and the originator has already left the site for parts unknown.

Oh, and on that bad advice he was given- It was spot on, provided by several health professionals and quite a few with anecdotal experience. As a person with previous drug use experience and having worked with addicts in recovery for the past 10 years, I also agree with them.

You didn’t say anything that wasn’t already said.

Interesting that you bumped a post that old. How did you happen upon that?