Getting Grief for Low Carb Diet?

Nutrition
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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]goose27 wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:
The only thing is I do totally agree with him on the idea of calories not counting, or exercise having little effect on one’s body composition. [/quote]

do or dont?[/quote]

Cuse me, I dont agree with him completely. I think you can get away with eating my fat from calories then you could from carbs due to not experiencing the insulin spike from the fat, but I dont think you can huge amounts and not gain weight, which seems to be what he’s implying. Bascially, to me, it seems he believes the “calorie in, calorie out” idea is totally bogus. To a degree I agree, but just not to the extent that he does.[/quote]

In Good Calories, Bad Calories Taubes takes apart not only the “healthy grain, bad fat” myth, but “calories in/out”, “fat=heart disease”, “fiber matters”, etc…

For calories in vs calories out, he cites several studies spanning the last 150 years where weight loss was achieved only by cutting carbs out of the diet. No restriction at all on calories, and even in cases of 3000-4000 calories a day people continued to lose weight in the absence of a carbohydrate diet.

The reason, as he explains it, is that insulin is the only hormone that makes your body store fat. Without carbs giving your body a reason to produce insulin, you don’t store what you eat.

People believe that your body fuels itself from your food, then uses fat stores to make up a deficit. He explicitly states that your fat stores are more dynamic than that. You actually fuel your body only with your fat stores, then hunger encourages you to replenish those stores with what you eat.

He speaks nothing about physique in anything I’ve read so far. When he says exercise is not necessary, it’s in regards to fat loss and heart health. Of course if you burn more calories you will lose weight faster, but he says that it makes a much smaller difference than if you were to just improve your diet instead of outworking a crappy diet.[/quote]

Well, now that I’ve read the book, its a mix of good facts with sensationalist nonsense to drive sales.

Does insulin make people store fat? To an extent yes.

But shit, it’s also the most anabolic hormone known to Man.

Some of the people on here are eating a grand total of 60-80g carbs a day. Congratulations, you probably wouldn’t gain a single pound of fat on that diet. Not a single pound of muscle either, but hey, sick abzzzzzz is the be all and end all right? Abzzzzzzzz…[/quote]

You actually lose quite a bit of fat!

But seriously, yes it is harder to gain muscle, although there have been periods were I would only stick to eating something like 75 carbs a day and then a refeed, its not like this is year round, or forever.

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i dont think its too difficult sticking around 80g carbs a day for 3-4 days in a row, then refeeding, and making gains on that. It’s been working for me, anyhow. Consuming those 80g immediately after the workout seems to make good use of the anabolism tied to carbs, while limiting “fat storage”. Plus, supplementing BCAAs, Beta-alanine & Creatine seems to help with the low-carb approach.

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I fucking hate low carb diets. I get headaches, have no energy, and generally feel like shit. Not to mention strength is hard to hold onto. I prefer to keep the carbs in the 200-300 grams a day range and use other techniques like intermittent fasting and use more cardio. I’ve been losing 2 pounds a week doing this and getting stronger for the last 2 months straight. It’s awesome!

As for your family… I live at home and they give me the same grief. I stop eating at 6:00 so if dinner is ready at 7:00 I have to say no. This can really piss my parents off. But if you stick with it eventually they will see how dedicated you are and they will come to respect your decisions. At least if they are good parents they will.

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[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I fucking hate low carb diets. I get headaches, have no energy, and generally feel like shit. Not to mention strength is hard to hold onto. I prefer to keep the carbs in the 200-300 grams a day range and use other techniques like intermittent fasting and use more cardio. I’ve been losing 2 pounds a week doing this and getting stronger for the last 2 months straight. It’s awesome!

As for your family… I live at home and they give me the same grief. I stop eating at 6:00 so if dinner is ready at 7:00 I have to say no. This can really piss my parents off. But if you stick with it eventually they will see how dedicated you are and they will come to respect your decisions. At least if they are good parents they will. [/quote]

Yea when I first started doing it I experience some of that, but once I learned the right balance of fats to counter calories it got better. as far as the family goes, my father understands it for the most part, my mother is still confused about it, but shes come to accept it. Similarly, when she tells me about her healthy, sugar loaded, yogurt, I just node my head hahaha.

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[quote]eightohfive wrote:
i dont think its too difficult sticking around 80g carbs a day for 3-4 days in a row, then refeeding, and making gains on that. It’s been working for me, anyhow. Consuming those 80g immediately after the workout seems to make good use of the anabolism tied to carbs, while limiting “fat storage”. Plus, supplementing BCAAs, Beta-alanine & Creatine seems to help with the low-carb approach.[/quote]

Amen! now, if you doing say only 80g/day, is that all in PWO? If so, what are you doing for pre?

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[quote]goose27 wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:
The only thing is I do totally agree with him on the idea of calories not counting, or exercise having little effect on one’s body composition. [/quote]

do or dont?[/quote]

Cuse me, I dont agree with him completely. I think you can get away with eating my fat from calories then you could from carbs due to not experiencing the insulin spike from the fat, but I dont think you can huge amounts and not gain weight, which seems to be what he’s implying. Bascially, to me, it seems he believes the “calorie in, calorie out” idea is totally bogus. To a degree I agree, but just not to the extent that he does.[/quote]

In Good Calories, Bad Calories Taubes takes apart not only the “healthy grain, bad fat” myth, but “calories in/out”, “fat=heart disease”, “fiber matters”, etc…

For calories in vs calories out, he cites several studies spanning the last 150 years where weight loss was achieved only by cutting carbs out of the diet. No restriction at all on calories, and even in cases of 3000-4000 calories a day people continued to lose weight in the absence of a carbohydrate diet.

The reason, as he explains it, is that insulin is the only hormone that makes your body store fat. Without carbs giving your body a reason to produce insulin, you don’t store what you eat.

People believe that your body fuels itself from your food, then uses fat stores to make up a deficit. He explicitly states that your fat stores are more dynamic than that. You actually fuel your body only with your fat stores, then hunger encourages you to replenish those stores with what you eat.

He speaks nothing about physique in anything I’ve read so far. When he says exercise is not necessary, it’s in regards to fat loss and heart health. Of course if you burn more calories you will lose weight faster, but he says that it makes a much smaller difference than if you were to just improve your diet instead of outworking a crappy diet.[/quote]

I would agree, I believe the type II diabetes, pre-diabetes, and insulin sensitivity would almost disappear if people would just eat carbs according to their needs. I dont mean everyones gotta be super low carb mode, but honestly the average person eats way more than what they need, and from the worst sources. I forget what the percentage of insulin insensitivity is in the U.S., but its something disgusting (I think it’s 68%).

I cant say it’s completely their fault…just look at the food guide pyramid!

6-12 serving of grains!!! and it does not say whole grains (which Im not convinced it would matter).

Why the Hell is vegetables at the bottom?!?!?!

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[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I fucking hate low carb diets. I get headaches, have no energy, and generally feel like shit. Not to mention strength is hard to hold onto. I prefer to keep the carbs in the 200-300 grams a day range and use other techniques like intermittent fasting and use more cardio. I’ve been losing 2 pounds a week doing this and getting stronger for the last 2 months straight. It’s awesome!

As for your family… I live at home and they give me the same grief. I stop eating at 6:00 so if dinner is ready at 7:00 I have to say no. This can really piss my parents off. But if you stick with it eventually they will see how dedicated you are and they will come to respect your decisions. At least if they are good parents they will. [/quote]

Yea when I first started doing it I experience some of that, but once I learned the right balance of fats to counter calories it got better. as far as the family goes, my father understands it for the most part, my mother is still confused about it, but shes come to accept it. Similarly, when she tells me about her healthy, sugar loaded, yogurt, I just node my head hahaha.[/quote]
Round peg in square hole. Somethings just dont work for some people. Dont force it. If you have to force something its not going to work. It might be nice to say “hey Im low carbing!” like its a badge of honour or that low carbing in itself guarantees results but its all bullshit. Fat has been lost lots of ways for millions of years. When your ancestors were struck with famines and startvation they werent “low carbing” they would have ate anything they could get! I realise we do this for body comp and not survival but it doesnt have to be that hard either! In a way this IS an eating disorder for some people. Diets like this should be seen as a tool not a lifestyle IMO. You shouldnt be defending anything. When people ask you why you wont eat that dessert you just say Im losing fat at the momment and cant wait till when you can have some dessert! Who doesnt want sugary treats? Our evolution makes us crave energy dense foods!

You wont eat dinner with your family at 7 just because your “supposed to stop eating at 6”?!? Dude thats fucked up! Its not hardcore is just being an asshole! I use intermittent fasting protocols myself but this is just stupid. Theres so much more to life than dieting! And one hour more or less is not going to absolutely destroy all gains. As Im sure you are aware even with IF calories are still king.

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I’m on the AD so during the week it’s less than 30g of carbs. I can usually figure out a meal that’ll fit into my diet just fine at most places.

When people bitch about my diet, I usually reply “What’s funny about my diet is that it’s always everyone else who complains about me being on it.”

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[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I fucking hate low carb diets. I get headaches, have no energy, and generally feel like shit. Not to mention strength is hard to hold onto. I prefer to keep the carbs in the 200-300 grams a day range and use other techniques like intermittent fasting and use more cardio. I’ve been losing 2 pounds a week doing this and getting stronger for the last 2 months straight. It’s awesome!

As for your family… I live at home and they give me the same grief. I stop eating at 6:00 so if dinner is ready at 7:00 I have to say no. This can really piss my parents off. But if you stick with it eventually they will see how dedicated you are and they will come to respect your decisions. At least if they are good parents they will. [/quote]

Yea when I first started doing it I experience some of that, but once I learned the right balance of fats to counter calories it got better. as far as the family goes, my father understands it for the most part, my mother is still confused about it, but shes come to accept it. Similarly, when she tells me about her healthy, sugar loaded, yogurt, I just node my head hahaha.[/quote]
Round peg in square hole. Somethings just dont work for some people. Dont force it. If you have to force something its not going to work. It might be nice to say “hey Im low carbing!” like its a badge of honour or that low carbing in itself guarantees results but its all bullshit. Fat has been lost lots of ways for millions of years. When your ancestors were struck with famines and startvation they werent “low carbing” they would have ate anything they could get! I realise we do this for body comp and not survival but it doesnt have to be that hard either! In a way this IS an eating disorder for some people. Diets like this should be seen as a tool not a lifestyle IMO. You shouldnt be defending anything. When people ask you why you wont eat that dessert you just say Im losing fat at the momment and cant wait till when you can have some dessert! Who doesnt want sugary treats? Our evolution makes us crave energy dense foods!

You wont eat dinner with your family at 7 just because your “supposed to stop eating at 6”?!? Dude thats fucked up! Its not hardcore is just being an asshole! I use intermittent fasting protocols myself but this is just stupid. Theres so much more to life than dieting! And one hour more or less is not going to absolutely destroy all gains. As Im sure you are aware even with IF calories are still king.[/quote]

Theres some people who would say that spending large amounts of time trying to gain muscle or improve your physique is a disorder…

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[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I fucking hate low carb diets. I get headaches, have no energy, and generally feel like shit. Not to mention strength is hard to hold onto. I prefer to keep the carbs in the 200-300 grams a day range and use other techniques like intermittent fasting and use more cardio. I’ve been losing 2 pounds a week doing this and getting stronger for the last 2 months straight. It’s awesome!

As for your family… I live at home and they give me the same grief. I stop eating at 6:00 so if dinner is ready at 7:00 I have to say no. This can really piss my parents off. But if you stick with it eventually they will see how dedicated you are and they will come to respect your decisions. At least if they are good parents they will. [/quote]

Yea when I first started doing it I experience some of that, but once I learned the right balance of fats to counter calories it got better. as far as the family goes, my father understands it for the most part, my mother is still confused about it, but shes come to accept it. Similarly, when she tells me about her healthy, sugar loaded, yogurt, I just node my head hahaha.[/quote]
Round peg in square hole. Somethings just dont work for some people. Dont force it. If you have to force something its not going to work. It might be nice to say “hey Im low carbing!” like its a badge of honour or that low carbing in itself guarantees results but its all bullshit. Fat has been lost lots of ways for millions of years. When your ancestors were struck with famines and startvation they werent “low carbing” they would have ate anything they could get! I realise we do this for body comp and not survival but it doesnt have to be that hard either! In a way this IS an eating disorder for some people. Diets like this should be seen as a tool not a lifestyle IMO. You shouldnt be defending anything. When people ask you why you wont eat that dessert you just say Im losing fat at the momment and cant wait till when you can have some dessert! Who doesnt want sugary treats? Our evolution makes us crave energy dense foods!

You wont eat dinner with your family at 7 just because your “supposed to stop eating at 6”?!? Dude thats fucked up! Its not hardcore is just being an asshole! I use intermittent fasting protocols myself but this is just stupid. Theres so much more to life than dieting! And one hour more or less is not going to absolutely destroy all gains. As Im sure you are aware even with IF calories are still king.[/quote]

Theres some people who would say that spending large amounts of time trying to gain muscle or improve your physique is a disorder…
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Because it kind of is! It only becomes a problem when it starts to interfere with the rest of your life. Refusing to eat a meal with your family, just because you made up some magical plan which involves not eating after 6 is borderline OCD.

Would you eat with your family if they had the meal earlier? If so its not the content of the food you are objecting to its the restrictions of this magical plan youve created. You know what? IF is about fasting right? so if you know that dinner might be a little later than 6 simply dont eat until its ready. PROBLEM SOLVED. Oh no! but that means your fast might be only 15 hours instead of 16!!! Doesnt matter.

BTW why does your eating window stop at 6 normally? Do you sleep early and get up at 3am or something?

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[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I fucking hate low carb diets. I get headaches, have no energy, and generally feel like shit. Not to mention strength is hard to hold onto. I prefer to keep the carbs in the 200-300 grams a day range and use other techniques like intermittent fasting and use more cardio. I’ve been losing 2 pounds a week doing this and getting stronger for the last 2 months straight. It’s awesome!

As for your family… I live at home and they give me the same grief. I stop eating at 6:00 so if dinner is ready at 7:00 I have to say no. This can really piss my parents off. But if you stick with it eventually they will see how dedicated you are and they will come to respect your decisions. At least if they are good parents they will. [/quote]

Yea when I first started doing it I experience some of that, but once I learned the right balance of fats to counter calories it got better. as far as the family goes, my father understands it for the most part, my mother is still confused about it, but shes come to accept it. Similarly, when she tells me about her healthy, sugar loaded, yogurt, I just node my head hahaha.[/quote]
Round peg in square hole. Somethings just dont work for some people. Dont force it. If you have to force something its not going to work. It might be nice to say “hey Im low carbing!” like its a badge of honour or that low carbing in itself guarantees results but its all bullshit. Fat has been lost lots of ways for millions of years. When your ancestors were struck with famines and startvation they werent “low carbing” they would have ate anything they could get! I realise we do this for body comp and not survival but it doesnt have to be that hard either! In a way this IS an eating disorder for some people. Diets like this should be seen as a tool not a lifestyle IMO. You shouldnt be defending anything. When people ask you why you wont eat that dessert you just say Im losing fat at the momment and cant wait till when you can have some dessert! Who doesnt want sugary treats? Our evolution makes us crave energy dense foods!

You wont eat dinner with your family at 7 just because your “supposed to stop eating at 6”?!? Dude thats fucked up! Its not hardcore is just being an asshole! I use intermittent fasting protocols myself but this is just stupid. Theres so much more to life than dieting! And one hour more or less is not going to absolutely destroy all gains. As Im sure you are aware even with IF calories are still king.[/quote]

Theres some people who would say that spending large amounts of time trying to gain muscle or improve your physique is a disorder…
[/quote]
Because it kind of is! It only becomes a problem when it starts to interfere with the rest of your life. Refusing to eat a meal with your family, just because you made up some magical plan which involves not eating after 6 is borderline OCD.

Would you eat with your family if they had the meal earlier? If so its not the content of the food you are objecting to its the restrictions of this magical plan youve created. You know what? IF is about fasting right? so if you know that dinner might be a little later than 6 simply dont eat until its ready. PROBLEM SOLVED. Oh no! but that means you fast might be only 15 hours instead of 16!!! Doesnt matter.[/quote]

Yea I can understand your point with the one hour thing, although I can see his to a degree to.

I mean, I can say weight lifting definetly changes how I do alot of things in my life.

Just a few off my head

  • people are really confused when i’m in bed by 10.
  • why do you have to eat before and after training?
  • Why are you eating chicken or steak for breakfast? (one of my favorites)

So yea, alot of people do “odd” things, but its all relative.

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[quote]throws56 wrote:
Yea I can understand your point with the one hour thing, although I can see his to a degree to.

I mean, I can say weight lifting definetly changes how I do alot of things in my life.

Just a few off my head

  • people are really confused when i’m in bed by 10.
  • why do you have to eat before and after training?
  • Why are you eating chicken or steak for breakfast? (one of my favorites)

So yea, alot of people do “odd” things, but its all relative.
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I dont mind if people think we are doing odd things. Thats fine. But I certainly dont need to do unnecessary things either. Maybe this kind of OCD behavior is needed at the absolute top of the spectrum with Elite Bodybuilders but for someone with more modest goals or physique enhancement its just overkill.

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I like OCD people.