Get Rid of All Religion?

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 3:29pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Religion does far more damage than good
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You are a bigot, as is AC, when it comes to religion.

Just an FYI. [/quote]

why am I a bigot ?
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What DD said.

Also, the fact that you seek out the wrong doings of individuals associated with a larger group, with the express intention of defaming the larger group with the individual’s action, selectively, doesn’t help your case either.
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I will say , My understanding of the word bigot

bigÂ·ot
Ë?bigÉ?t/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

1.
a person who is bigoted.
"religious bigots"
synonyms:	chauvinist, partisan, sectarian; More
racist, sexist, homophobe, dogmatist, jingoist
"he comes off as a naÃ¯ve, close-minded bigot"

Origin

does not apply here , (Just MY OPINION)

but would apply on many other fronts , to all of us

DoubleDuce · February 26, 2014, 3:44pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Religion does far more damage than good
[/quote]

You are a bigot, as is AC, when it comes to religion.

Just an FYI. [/quote]

why am I a bigot ?
[/quote]

What DD said.

Also, the fact that you seek out the wrong doings of individuals associated with a larger group, with the express intention of defaming the larger group with the individual’s action, selectively, doesn’t help your case either.
[/quote]

I will say , My understanding of the word bigot

bigÃ?Â·ot
Ã??bigÃ??t/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

1.
a person who is bigoted.
"religious bigots"
synonyms:	chauvinist, partisan, sectarian; More
racist, sexist, homophobe, dogmatist, jingoist
"he comes off as a naÃ?Â¯ve, close-minded bigot"

Origin

does not apply here , (Just MY OPINION)

but would apply on many other fronts , to all of us
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You are constantly demeaning to Christians and constantly seek to correct them about their own beliefs that you do not even share while simultaneously attacking them by falsehoods while completely ignoring actual facts constantly brought up that contradict you. You are the quintessential bigot, dug in and clinging to ignorance and lies in an attempt to undermined the beliefs of others.

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 3:57pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
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about their own beliefs that you do not even share while simultaneously attacking them by falsehoods [/quote]

Wow , I normally stay away from some one’s belief in God or at least in my opinion.

Please tell me what falsehoods I use to attack Religion ?

My only attacks that I know are my complaint about Religion mixing with Politics and Priests raping little boys and possibly Nuns

Severiano · February 26, 2014, 4:01pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fuck the UN and fuck religion. They both just want to control you, manipulate you and get your money so that they can further their own agenda of world domination. The UN is simply the church of the progressive “politically correct” movement.

Religions want you to join their little club, show up at the big building on whatever day to sing songs and believe their bullshit (and donate!) and breed more little XYZ zealots. They will excommunicate, shun, blow up, rape, torture and otherwise disenfranchise ANYONE who has the audacity not to believe their (unprovable) little twist on the great questions. Because THEIR version is the RIGHT version (the XYZ book clearly says so).

The UN wants every one to sit in a circle and hold hands and be “equal” (as in equally poor). They will force you into the circle if necessary with their “peace keeping” army. They want to take your resources and give them away to lazy stupid people to further this “equal” utopian ideal. Because if everyone is “equal”, then no one will feel bad about themselves. Ever.

Both don’t do shit about injustice or suffering. Religion protects it’s molesters and it’s terrorists, while the UN is simply impotent (if you don’t stop killing you citizens, we are going to WRITE YOU A LETTER! - until the United States sends us troops, then we will invade you). The net result is the same. The world would be better off without either one of them.

Any time a group forms an entity large enough to have any kind of influence, it loses it’s mission and it succumbs to the simple pursuit of power. That’s just human nature. NO group is immune to that, regardless of their intentions or their mission. As I said, they are both only after ONE thing: control and the power that results from that control.
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Agreed, seems like an attempt at new dogma. [/quote]

Angry writes a lot of good posts. This is not one of them.[/quote]

I think a lot of it depends on perspective and what we are taking into account. If you look at religion from the perspective of the good people within the church, who go out of their way to help the poor, with soup kitchens and what not, of course you are going to have a rosy view. But if you take a look at the history of the Church, the conduct of it’s leaders throughout history, you could argue they came straight from hell, and embodied the opposite virtues that Jesus was all about.

For me, I don’t need to get past what the Catholics did to the Catharists, who’s history was for the most part burned, and their followers hunted down and murdered. All you have to do is wiki Catharists.

There’s the way Islam spread, which was by the sword straight up. Islam allowed it’s conquered to join, or if they were lucky enough and met all the correct conditions could keep their own faith and pay something called jizya. Essentially, join the faith, pay the tax, or be punished, probably die.

I just see dogma with strings attached when I look at religion. If you can be a good person for it’s own sake, it’s better than being a good person for the sake of some religion or God. It’s an outright better form of goodness.

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 4:12pm

[quote]Severiano wrote:e]
If you look at religion from the perspective of the good people within the church, who go out of their way to help the poor, with soup kitchens

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I know many of those people and some of them have divorced themselves from Religion and still help feed the poor and the like . You do not have to belong to a Religion to be a good person

MaximusB · February 26, 2014, 4:14pm

A belief system is only as good as it’s practicioner.

Severiano · February 26, 2014, 4:17pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:e]
If you look at religion from the perspective of the good people within the church, who go out of their way to help the poor, with soup kitchens

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I know many of those people and some of them have divorced themselves from Religion and still help feed the poor and the like . You do not have to belong to a Religion to be a good person
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I’m with you, I argue the same. I actually argue a good person devoid of God is more likely to do good for the sake of goodness. Rather than doing good so they can get into heaven or whatever.

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 4:36pm

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:e]
If you look at religion from the perspective of the good people within the church, who go out of their way to help the poor, with soup kitchens

[/quote]

I know many of those people and some of them have divorced themselves from Religion and still help feed the poor and the like . You do not have to belong to a Religion to be a good person
[/quote]

I’m with you, I argue the same. I actually argue a good person devoid of God is more likely to do good for the sake of goodness. Rather than doing good so they can get into heaven or whatever. [/quote]

I personally see a very small difference , that being that a person devoid of religion is not necessarily devoid of God

DoubleDuce · February 26, 2014, 4:37pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
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about their own beliefs that you do not even share while simultaneously attacking them by falsehoods [/quote]

Wow , I normally stay away from some one’s belief in God or at least in my opinion.

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yeah, as long as it’s your version.

thank you for proving my point.

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 4:47pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

yeah, as long as it’s your version.

[quote]

thank you for proving my point.[/quote]

I really do not have a version and if you mean for only stating the facts , you are welcome

anon50325502 · February 26, 2014, 4:48pm

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fuck the UN and fuck religion. They both just want to control you, manipulate you and get your money so that they can further their own agenda of world domination. The UN is simply the church of the progressive “politically correct” movement.

Religions want you to join their little club, show up at the big building on whatever day to sing songs and believe their bullshit (and donate!) and breed more little XYZ zealots. They will excommunicate, shun, blow up, rape, torture and otherwise disenfranchise ANYONE who has the audacity not to believe their (unprovable) little twist on the great questions. Because THEIR version is the RIGHT version (the XYZ book clearly says so).

The UN wants every one to sit in a circle and hold hands and be “equal” (as in equally poor). They will force you into the circle if necessary with their “peace keeping” army. They want to take your resources and give them away to lazy stupid people to further this “equal” utopian ideal. Because if everyone is “equal”, then no one will feel bad about themselves. Ever.

Both don’t do shit about injustice or suffering. Religion protects it’s molesters and it’s terrorists, while the UN is simply impotent (if you don’t stop killing you citizens, we are going to WRITE YOU A LETTER! - until the United States sends us troops, then we will invade you). The net result is the same. The world would be better off without either one of them.

Any time a group forms an entity large enough to have any kind of influence, it loses it’s mission and it succumbs to the simple pursuit of power. That’s just human nature. NO group is immune to that, regardless of their intentions or their mission. As I said, they are both only after ONE thing: control and the power that results from that control.
[/quote]

Agreed, seems like an attempt at new dogma. [/quote]

Angry writes a lot of good posts. This is not one of them.[/quote]

I think a lot of it depends on perspective and what we are taking into account. If you look at religion from the perspective of the good people within the church, who go out of their way to help the poor, with soup kitchens and what not, of course you are going to have a rosy view. But if you take a look at the history of the Church, the conduct of it’s leaders throughout history, you could argue they came straight from hell, and embodied the opposite virtues that Jesus was all about.

For me, I don’t need to get past what the Catholics did to the Catharists, who’s history was for the most part burned, and their followers hunted down and murdered. All you have to do is wiki Catharists.

There’s the way Islam spread, which was by the sword straight up. Islam allowed it’s conquered to join, or if they were lucky enough and met all the correct conditions could keep their own faith and pay something called jizya. Essentially, join the faith, pay the tax, or be punished, probably die.

I just see dogma with strings attached when I look at religion. If you can be a good person for it’s own sake, it’s better than being a good person for the sake of some religion or God. It’s an outright better form of goodness.

[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with having an apposing view. However, statements like this:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fuck the UN and fuck religion. They both just want to control you, manipulate you and get your money so that they can further their own agenda of world domination. [/quote]

and this:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Both don’t do shit about injustice or suffering. [/quote]

Are absurd.

World domination, for real?

anon50325502 · February 26, 2014, 4:49pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:e]
If you look at religion from the perspective of the good people within the church, who go out of their way to help the poor, with soup kitchens

[/quote]

I know many of those people and some of them have divorced themselves from Religion and still help feed the poor and the like . You do not have to belong to a Religion to be a good person
[/quote]

Who said anything to the contrary?

DoubleDuce · February 26, 2014, 4:52pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

yeah, as long as it’s your version.

“That is what they are supposed to do , all the other is not what Christ intended.”

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 5:09pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

“That is what they are supposed to do , all the other is not what Christ intended.”[/quote]

I that what you mean for the thx ? And if so , do you agree or is that sarcasm ?

DoubleDuce · February 26, 2014, 5:29pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

“That is what they are supposed to do , all the other is not what Christ intended.”[/quote]

I that what you mean for the thx ? And if so , do you agree or is that sarcasm ?
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No, I disagree completely. Alms is not all Christians should do. In fact, Christ’s reformation of the Jews was the exact opposite. If you really want to get to the heart of the teaching, Charity, not alms is the real command and they ARE NOT the same thing. The Christian teaching of Charity is love of God and hence neighbor. The RESULT of charity is things like alms. Modern English has confused the 2. The Christian goal is not to give alms. It is to love well enough that things like alms happen naturally. Focus on and equating God’s teaching with the physical act of doing things like alms is the exact legalistic approach Jesus came to call bullshit on.

But, the fact that you are forcing me to justify my beliefs, by telling me what a Christ’s teachings are when you don’t even believe in Christianity is bigotry. You are ignorant on the subject and keep trying to tell everyone else their own beliefs are wrong and what the right ones are.

jbpick86 · February 26, 2014, 5:47pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

“That is what they are supposed to do , all the other is not what Christ intended.”[/quote]

I that what you mean for the thx ? And if so , do you agree or is that sarcasm ?
[/quote]

No, I disagree completely. Alms is not all Christians should do. In fact, Christ’s reformation of the Jews was the exact opposite. If you really want to get to the heart of the teaching, Charity, not alms is the real command and they ARE NOT the same thing. The Christian teaching of Charity is love of God and hence neighbor. The RESULT of charity is things like alms. Modern English has confused the 2. The Christian goal is not to give alms. It is to love well enough that things like alms happen naturally. Focus on and equating God’s teaching with the physical act of doing things like alms is the exact legalistic approach Jesus came to call bullshit on.

But, the fact that you are forcing me to justify my beliefs, by telling me what a Christ’s teachings are when you don’t even believe in Christianity is bigotry. You are ignorant on the subject and keep trying to tell everyone else their own beliefs are wrong and what the right ones are.
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Read the book of James from the Bible to really get a feel for this concept. A lot of people within the Christian faith currently and throughout history have forgotten or ignored a lot of what is taught there.

James 2:14-26

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

To summarize, while you cant be saved by your works, a truly saved man should have the pure-hearted desire to do good for his fellow man.

pittbulll · February 26, 2014, 5:52pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

“That is what they are supposed to do , all the other is not what Christ intended.”[/quote]

I that what you mean for the thx ? And if so , do you agree or is that sarcasm ?
[/quote]

No, I disagree completely. Alms is not all Christians should do. In fact, Christ’s reformation of the Jews was the exact opposite. If you really want to get to the heart of the teaching, Charity, not alms is the real command and they ARE NOT the same thing. The Christian teaching of Charity is love of God and hence neighbor. The RESULT of charity is things like alms. Modern English has confused the 2. The Christian goal is not to give alms. It is to love well enough that things like alms happen naturally. Focus on and equating God’s teaching with the physical act of doing things like alms is the exact legalistic approach Jesus came to call bullshit on.

But, the fact that you are forcing me to justify my beliefs, by telling me what a Christ’s teachings are when you don’t even believe in Christianity is bigotry. You are ignorant on the subject and keep trying to tell everyone else their own beliefs are wrong and what the right ones are.
[/quote]

Alms is almost synonymous with money and you brought up that term.

You also were on the offense by defending a statement that I was a bigot

I really believe I have made no statements in RE: to any one’s belief .

I have however brought up the political and criminal aspects to organized religion

most of your tea billies are the biggest supporters of Religion (notice I did not say Jesus) that is the difference you want me to buy the shit that is pedaled as religion is some how better than what I practice

DoubleDuce · February 26, 2014, 7:06pm