[quote]orion wrote:
There is one point I would disagree though, you won`t find the level of patriotism and the worship of a flag or the military anywhere in Europe.
That is uniquely American, and I honestly think we grew out of that…
We might have grown into some serious other shit, but that is behind us…[/quote]
Maybe, but your were still touting Austria, Germany/Europe was better than America. It may be different stuff, but it’s still patriotism.
[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
You are actually proud that your government spreads its loot all around the world?
Our tax rates are much lower than yours.
But you have a lot more people to tax!
12 million extra, very soon. Bush’s bill is working its way through our Senate.
If we decide to all move illegally to Austria, will we get medical care, housing, schooling for our kids, and other such goodies?
Basically yes, though I doubt we could handle 300 million…
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You’d fucking hate it…Hell, look at France. How they wish they could send ack all the north africans and arabs…
[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
to put it all together:
Your link did not work, this one does, in English:
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/information-in-english.html
According to their website they took the list down because it was actually advertising for these products you can still run specific products through their website though.
God, you are so wrong on everything.
See how that works?
You do not call someone a dickhead you crush his arguments and yours allmost croak by themselves…
orion,
I would never insult a dick nor a head by comparing them to you.
Now, you are correct, I don’t speak German. As everyone knows, there is far more incentive for you to learn my language than vis versa.
Please direct me through the website to the list of the banned works. Then respond to the law I quoted where the new works being banned are on a non-public server.
If you cannot, take your bicycle out for a spin. Your brain needs air.
JeffR
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You can easily find out if you want to, apparently you don`t.
It does not matter anyway because it only regulates content for minors and ONLY if the film industry or the computer game industry has not given an age proposal for the piece in question.
And no, as a minor you are not allowed to see graphic zombie porn…
Tragic…
To compare that to the FBI happily sorting through your files in your doctors or lawyers office, with a self-written warrant and a stiff penalty for him when he informs you is so lame…
You are grasping for straws here, aren`t you?
[quote]pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:
There is one point I would disagree though, you won`t find the level of patriotism and the worship of a flag or the military anywhere in Europe.
That is uniquely American, and I honestly think we grew out of that…
We might have grown into some serious other shit, but that is behind us…
Maybe, but your were still touting Austria, Germany/Europe was better than America. It may be different stuff, but it’s still patriotism. [/quote]
Freer!
Which I admit I think is better, but I do not really want you less free, I want the exact opposite.
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
to put it all together:
Your link did not work, this one does, in English:
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/information-in-english.html
According to their website they took the list down because it was actually advertising for these products you can still run specific products through their website though.
God, you are so wrong on everything.
See how that works?
You do not call someone a dickhead you crush his arguments and yours allmost croak by themselves…
orion,
I would never insult a dick nor a head by comparing them to you.
Now, you are correct, I don’t speak German. As everyone knows, there is far more incentive for you to learn my language than vis versa.
Please direct me through the website to the list of the banned works. Then respond to the law I quoted where the new works being banned are on a non-public server.
If you cannot, take your bicycle out for a spin. Your brain needs air.
JeffR
You can easily find out if you want to, apparently you don`t.
It does not matter anyway because it only regulates content for minors and ONLY if the film industry or the computer game industry has not given an age proposal for the piece in question.
And no, as a minor you are not allowed to see graphic zombie porn…
Tragic…
To compare that to the FBI happily sorting through your files in your doctors or lawyers office, with a self-written warrant and a stiff penalty for him when he informs you is so lame…
You are grasping for straws here, aren`t you?
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Poor, bota.
You really don’t think you are WINNING this argument, do you?
If yes, you need some bicycling.
Anyway, back to my original link.
http://germarrudolf.com/civil/
I encourage everyone who is interested in the lengths the german government will go to squelch dissenting opinion, to thoroughly read this website.
That orion dismisses the man as a “neo-nazi” is quite revealing. It’s also irrelevant.
You can acutally call a number in germany to accuse anyone you feel is too Right-Wing.
I’ll bet one of bota’s german cousins did just that in this case.
Check out what the man actually says about the holocaust. Check out the lengths they went to persecute him. Check out how many people are prosecuted every year for “thought crimes.”
Don’t take my word for it, he has a ton of links. The links are my usual favorites: Varied and hard to argue with.
I don’t expect lock-down bota to think his way through it.
However, if anyone else is interested, I encourage them to look read this website.
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:
There is one point I would disagree though, you won`t find the level of patriotism and the worship of a flag or the military anywhere in Europe.
That is uniquely American, and I honestly think we grew out of that…
We might have grown into some serious other shit, but that is behind us…
Maybe, but your were still touting Austria, Germany/Europe was better than America. It may be different stuff, but it’s still patriotism.
Freer!
Which I admit I think is better, but I do not really want you less free, I want the exact opposite.
[/quote]
pat,
I’ll help you out on this one. Call 011-49-1805-234566. Report orion’s cousins as being too “right-wing.”
I don’t like you, therefore you can be prosecuted.
That’s the “freer way.”
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
bota,
You never fail to underwhelm.
If the government was stealing, why not just line their own pockets?
Why feed starving children?
In order to make that argument work, the U.S. Government would have to be a modern day Robin Hood.
That image certainly doesn’t back up your evil American leaders argument, does it?
JeffR
I know that socialism has worked its magic on you, like it has on every other neocon , I still see no reason to defend it though.
You cannot be generous with other peoples money, period.
Plus, Robin Hood took FROM the government that was taxing the shit out of people and gave it to the people.
Big difference.
Really? I thought he took from the rich Normans.
I forget, was every rich Norman a government official?
JeffR
Basically yes, they occupied England and made the Angeln and Saxons pay taxes…
1066, Hastings, Wilhelm the Conqueror and so on…
True, they needed the money to ransom their King who was sitting in an Austrian dungeon, but we really, truly needed the money.
We built Vienna with it, at least the first district that stands today…
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bota,
Let me get this straight, every Norman was the Government.
Got it.
Do you admire Robin Hood?
Thanks in advance,
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
to put it all together:
Your link did not work, this one does, in English:
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/information-in-english.html
According to their website they took the list down because it was actually advertising for these products you can still run specific products through their website though.
God, you are so wrong on everything.
See how that works?
You do not call someone a dickhead you crush his arguments and yours allmost croak by themselves…
orion,
I would never insult a dick nor a head by comparing them to you.
Now, you are correct, I don’t speak German. As everyone knows, there is far more incentive for you to learn my language than vis versa.
Please direct me through the website to the list of the banned works. Then respond to the law I quoted where the new works being banned are on a non-public server.
If you cannot, take your bicycle out for a spin. Your brain needs air.
JeffR
You can easily find out if you want to, apparently you don`t.
It does not matter anyway because it only regulates content for minors and ONLY if the film industry or the computer game industry has not given an age proposal for the piece in question.
And no, as a minor you are not allowed to see graphic zombie porn…
Tragic…
To compare that to the FBI happily sorting through your files in your doctors or lawyers office, with a self-written warrant and a stiff penalty for him when he informs you is so lame…
You are grasping for straws here, aren`t you?
[/quote]
Oh, bota,
So you are saying that the thought police in germany only target youths?
Let’s get this straight. I’m not going to allow you off on tangents.
My original premise that germans live under a totalitarian regime is holding up quite well under your bilious attacks.
Further, germans need to preface all civil rights criticisms against the United States with, “Do as I say, not as I do.”
You’ve done nothing more than confirm my original suspicions as you continue to dodge and ignore arguments based on the supposed “right-wingedness” of it’s author.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
to put it all together:
Your link did not work, this one does, in English:
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/information-in-english.html
According to their website they took the list down because it was actually advertising for these products you can still run specific products through their website though.
God, you are so wrong on everything.
See how that works?
You do not call someone a dickhead you crush his arguments and yours allmost croak by themselves…
orion,
I would never insult a dick nor a head by comparing them to you.
Now, you are correct, I don’t speak German. As everyone knows, there is far more incentive for you to learn my language than vis versa.
Please direct me through the website to the list of the banned works. Then respond to the law I quoted where the new works being banned are on a non-public server.
If you cannot, take your bicycle out for a spin. Your brain needs air.
JeffR
You can easily find out if you want to, apparently you don`t.
It does not matter anyway because it only regulates content for minors and ONLY if the film industry or the computer game industry has not given an age proposal for the piece in question.
And no, as a minor you are not allowed to see graphic zombie porn…
Tragic…
To compare that to the FBI happily sorting through your files in your doctors or lawyers office, with a self-written warrant and a stiff penalty for him when he informs you is so lame…
You are grasping for straws here, aren`t you?
Oh, bota,
So you are saying that the thought police in germany only target youths?
Let’s get this straight. I’m not going to allow you off on tangents.
My original premise that germans live under a totalitarian regime is holding up quite well under your bilious attacks.
Further, germans need to preface all civil rights criticisms against the United States with, “Do as I say, not as I do.”
You’ve done nothing more than confirm my original suspicions as you continue to dodge and ignore arguments based on the supposed “right-wingedness” of it’s author.
JeffR
[/quote]
We have a system in place that protects minors from certain content as has any other nation.
They are also not allowed to drink, smoke, drive a car and vote.
They are an opressed minority, it is tragic, most of them actually see it the way you do, so there!
They can have sex though.
As for your number, call it and report me. See how much of a difference that makes.
Do I admire Robin Hood? You are aware that he did not exist?
Do I have major moral problems if someone steals from the government? The looter looted?
Not really.
To the guy who so desperately wants to prove that 5,1 instead of 6 milliom Jews died in camps or whatever else he thinks will make a huge impact on WWII history.
Thought crimes are wrong and he should be left alone.
It is just that I conceded that long ago.
Maybe I should rephrase it then:
As long as you have no unquenchable desire to deny the holocaust AND to publish it in Germany you are a freer person than you would be in the US.
Better?
Of course even then you`d be in front of a German judge and go, if sentenced to actual prison which is highly unlikely, to a German prison, for a few months or so, meaning, compared to getting caught with 5 grams of crack in the US, its all good…
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Or the EU…
YOu would probably be samll no matter what flag you hid behind.
But that would be me in all my tiny, minuscule glory instead of all hat and no cattle which I perceive US super patriots to be…
There is no fundamental difference between feeling special to be born American than to be born aryan you know?
[/quote]
Read a history book. See the difference. You should be ashamed…but in your case I doubt it.
Bigotry doesn’t allow diversity of thought…you are an excellent case in point.
[quote]hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Or the EU…
YOu would probably be samll no matter what flag you hid behind.
But that would be me in all my tiny, minuscule glory instead of all hat and no cattle which I perceive US super patriots to be…
There is no fundamental difference between feeling special to be born American than to be born aryan you know?
Read a history book. See the difference. You should be ashamed…but in your case I doubt it.
Bigotry doesn’t allow diversity of thought…you are an excellent case in point.
[/quote]
Ad hominem…
Next…
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Or the EU…
YOu would probably be samll no matter what flag you hid behind.
But that would be me in all my tiny, minuscule glory instead of all hat and no cattle which I perceive US super patriots to be…
There is no fundamental difference between feeling special to be born American than to be born aryan you know?
Read a history book. See the difference. You should be ashamed…but in your case I doubt it.
Bigotry doesn’t allow diversity of thought…you are an excellent case in point.
Ad hominem…
Next…
[/quote]
More of a statement of fact after reading your posts on this thread.
Calling you a douche bag bigot would be an ad hominem attack…
So how about Tom Cruise and his movie?