German's Boo at U.S. Anthem

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Jumper wrote:
bradley wrote:
They’re just booing George Bush. Bush is hated but there is a distinct separation between how they feel about Bush and how they feel about Americans.

Bush will be gone pretty soon, and then America can begin the process of rebuilding it’s international reputation.

WRONG!
They booed our national anthem, if GWB was singing it, it would be different, he wasn’t. By the way, Americans would never do such a thing, and they have the audacity to call us arrogant. In booing that anthem, which embodys the great spirit of all the good things our GREAT country stands for, not limited too helping tear down that fucking wall a few years ago, they booed everything great our country has done for others including them. That anthem doesn’t represent GWB, neither does our flag that these assholes burn, it represents all that is and has been good about our country. Great men have died for what they stand for, you do know what they stand for don’t you: YOUR FUCKING FREEDOM! It represents all those who have spilt blood for many to have the OPPORTUNITY to have the same freedoms we do without oppression, most of the time they are ungratefull, go figure, but none the less it stands for those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for their freedom to be ungratefull. If you don’t like Bush, fine, I don’t like him either, but don’t show disrespect to all that is great about our country. If anyone should be ashamed of the actions of their leaders the Germans should or was the good old Nazi Socialist Workers party right and the U.S.A wrong?
Give me a break. [/quote]

The sad thing is that these guys (bradley and beowolf) don’t understand the underlying issue. They gleefully pile on not realizing that their french, Danish, and german “friends” are actually attacking the U.S. in general.

Some of these guys (bradley in particular) are so blinded by partisan hate towards Bush that they cannot figure this out.

I wonder how they justify the Anti-clinton rallies. Bush and clinton could not have been any more different in style or substance.

The common denominator, of course, is a european inferiority complex coupled with jealousy. They are also struggling in many parts of europe with their own identities.

I must acknowledge that the U.S. makes errors (abu gharib, etc…) However, given the frequency of protests and the varied reasons they use to justify some very nasty protests, one gets the impression that the “causes” are an simply an excuse to openly show their bias. They allow these euro-weenies to justify their sweaty, grubby demonstrations.

Had their been a lack of euro-weenie demonstrations since WWII, I would agree that they are solely against Bush. However, you can easily look up euro-weenie protests during any American Administration and over a variety of subjects.

Jeffr

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[quote]jumper wrote:
WRONG!
They booed our national anthem, if GWB was singing it, it would be different, he wasn’t.[/quote]

Their act was indeed outrageous. Yet, it’s noting compared to the flag burnings and US hatred throughout the world. As it stands right now, the crushing majority of the world is opposed to your foreign policy. Sadly, there’s too much at stake - buck-wise - for anybody to consider changing it. In my opinion, such displays of ardent hatred are going to get commonplace.

I mean seriously, never in history has a country had such a bad image. The only way out is to vote Nader in 2008.

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[quote]ron33 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
rony wrote:
lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Finally, bradley, I know part of the reason for your anger this morning is the fact that I can find euro-weenie demonstrations against billy boy in just about any country you name.

That is entirely true.

But in Billy’s time, the demonstrations were less frequent and drew less people. The reason for that is obvious; While there are no differences between the two parties in handling foreign affairs, I think the Dems do it in a more sneaky way (dare I say subtle?). Bush’s reign represented a peak in arrogance - that his father was too smart to display - and that’s the reason the US’s image is down the drain.

Clinton was a very bad man. Bush is the devil. Yes,and when Billy Boy brought up Bin Laden and his bunch,the republican’s were to worried about his Blow Job.They said he was just trying to take the attention away from his sex scandal.Just goes to show where their head was at.On the important matters.

Hey, ronny. Thanks for the instructive post (sarcasm).

Sorry, but, I’m not going to let you get away with blaming Republicans for clinton’s failure to get bin laden. Apparently, he had a golden opportunity and he turned it down.

Oh, the blow job wasn’t the problem. I’m not going to write it out again.

JeffR
You can believe and say what you believe,it matters not to me .But when that whole affair was going on Newt and some of the boys were on the nightly news ,saying billy was just trying to distract away from monica with the bin laden deal.I also remember seeing your beloved ronnie reagan giving a speach where he said he was a Dem. & was downing the Repubs…Of course i guess that’s when they were trying to hide the fact that he was losing it.I deal with reality and dont make excuses for false idol’s and contribed notions.

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Hey ronny,

I appreciate your post. However, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Seriously, could you edit that post and explain what you mean.

For example, I have no idea what point you are trying to make regarding Ronald Reagan.

Second, are you trying to say that clinton would have killed bin laden if he wasn’t in the middle of lying under oath and obstructing justice? Do you really believe that the Republicans would have thrown a huge fit had bin laden been killed? He apparently had guys on the ground with him in their sights. If I misunderstood your point, would you please clue me in.

What is a “contribed notion?” Do you mean contrived?

I apologize if it seems like I’m busting your chops. I don’t mean to in this instance. I simply don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

Thanks in advance,

JeffR

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Dear Jeff

I’m not going to be lectured on “patriotism” by a douchebag like you, who defends the most corrupt and incompetent presidential administration in the last 100 years. You’re a Bush Dead-Ender, you will cheerlead for Bush no matter how bad he screws up, and will never change your pathetic tune. Just like the 28% of Americans who supported Nixon during his Watergate scandal, we now have utter morons like you defending ‘Dear Leader’ no matter how bad he screws things up.

Idiots like you have condoned and enabled Bush’s corruption and incomptetence, and have done more to damage America than somebody who just boos our national anthem.

It’s self-evident that the Bush presidency has been a disaster and a massive failure, and so it’s great to see dummies like you insist that Bush is doing a great job, and that he only has a “public relations problem”. I love the idiot Republicans like yourself, because you help repel sensible people away from the GOP, in it’s current sorry state.

So, thank you, and “stay crazy!”… Please!

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Dear Jeff

I’m not going to be lectured on “patriotism” by a douchebag like you, who defends the most corrupt and incompetent presidential administration in the last 100 years. You’re a Bush Dead-Ender, you will cheerlead for Bush no matter how bad he screws up, and will never change your pathetic tune. Just like the 28% of Americans who supported Nixon during his Watergate scandal, we now have utter morons like you defending ‘Dear Leader’ no matter how bad he screws things up.

Idiots like you have condoned and enabled Bush’s corruption and incomptetence, and have done more to damage America than somebody who just boos our national anthem.

It’s self-evident that the Bush presidency has been a disaster and a massive failure, and so it’s great to see dummies like you insist that Bush is doing a great job, and that he only has a “public relations problem”. I love the idiot Republicans like yourself, because you help repel sensible people away from the GOP, in it’s current sorry state.

So, thank you, and “stay crazy!”… Please![/quote]

Brad, please look up the phrase “begging the question”.

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I see a lot of defensive posturing but not much thought.

If you want everybody to love you (and what kind of pussy actually does) then you’ll have to act in a way that doesn’t alienate people.

Go figure.

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[quote]superpimp wrote:
That Bush’s trip to South America and people starting riots (even though half would give their right hand to live here) it get’s so an American wants to be an isolationist[/quote]

isolationism would certainly be ideal. it’s a shame roosevelt ended this policy for us.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Sorry, but, I’m not going to let you get away with blaming Republicans for clinton’s failure to get bin laden.

True. But, Bush senior practically created Al-Qaeda. Reagan was busy slaughtering Central and South America in his so-called “fight against terrorism”. Bush Junior failed to catch Ben Laden despite killing hundreds of thousands and wrecking countries.

So, yes Clinton failed to catch him. But, Bush failed miserably![/quote]

Aaaahahahahahahahaha! That’s the funniest, most bullshit statement in this thread! :-]

Bush practically creating al-qeada?

Bush wrecking countries?

Are you stoned? Seriously, this is bullshit. Bush did not "practically create al-qeada. And possibly you’re not aware of the MASSIVE rebuilding efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, efforts that the terrorists are going to huge lengths to stop.

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Look, I dont know much about the context, but I think booing at an athletic event is a silly way of showing political opposition to something which the athletes have no say over. I also thought the US boycotting the Moscow Olympics was silly and the Soviets boycotting the Olympics here to be silly, too.

That said, do germans have to kiss the US ass because the US helped get rid of the Nazis? In that case, then, the germans would equally (or maybe even more) kowtow to the Russians. It wasn’t just the US who kicked the Nazis ass. Like it or not, the Soviets played just as big a role. I know FOX News doesnt like to mention that item, but it is historicaly true. Of course, one thing that your analysis lacks is the fact that the US through Bretton-Woods and the Marshall Plan was able to dominate the world economically. And of course the Soviets got their bloody piece of the pie too in eastern europe.

It’s true there is knee-jerk anti-americanism in instances. And I do think that the germans like to sometimes be most vociferous anti-americans just to forget their own past.
However, I also think there are some good reasons for germans to sometimes be anti-american politically. Booing at a sporting event is not a wise display of political activism though; I will grant you that.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Look, I dont know much about the context, but I think booing at an athletic event is a silly way of showing political opposition to something which the athletes have no say over. I also thought the US boycotting the Moscow Olympics was silly and the Soviets boycotting the Olympics here to be silly, too.

That said, do germans have to kiss the US ass because the US helped get rid of the Nazis? In that case, then, the germans would equally (or maybe even more) kowtow to the Russians. It wasn’t just the US who kicked the Nazis ass. Like it or not, the Soviets played just as big a role. I know FOX News doesnt like to mention that item, but it is historicaly true. Of course, one thing that your analysis lacks is the fact that the US through Bretton-Woods and the Marshall Plan was able to dominate the world economically. And of course the Soviets got their bloody piece of the pie too in eastern europe.

It’s true there is knee-jerk anti-americanism in instances. And I do think that the germans like to sometimes be most vociferous anti-americans just to forget their own past.
However, I also think there are some good reasons for germans to sometimes be anti-american politically. Booing at a sporting event is not a wise display of political activism though; I will grant you that.[/quote]
Yes,and lets not forget French or do we still call them Freedom Fries??

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[quote]bradley wrote:
Dear Jeff

I’m not going to be lectured on “patriotism” by a douchebag like you, who defends the most corrupt and incompetent presidential administration in the last 100 years. You’re a Bush Dead-Ender, you will cheerlead for Bush no matter how bad he screws up, and will never change your pathetic tune. Just like the 28% of Americans who supported Nixon during his Watergate scandal, we now have utter morons like you defending ‘Dear Leader’ no matter how bad he screws things up.[/quote]

bradley, you are so cute.

I’m looking forward to your vote in 2008. Chances are, you are going to vote for a candidate that voted for and continues to support the War in Iraq.

Anyone want to bet that having the label “democrat” no matter what the policy, will get bradley’s vote?

I damage America? I’m not the tool who is giving comfort and hope to the enemy.

You are.

Further, you enable euro-weenies and other insects when you trash our country and the Presidency.

[quote]It’s self-evident that the Bush presidency has been a disaster and a massive failure, and so it’s great to see dummies like you insist that Bush is doing a great job, and that he only has a “public relations problem”. I love the idiot Republicans like yourself, because you help repel sensible people away from the GOP, in it’s current sorry state.

So, thank you, and “stay crazy!”… Please![/quote]

It amuses me to no end that you couldn’t defeat W. He will leave the stage having been only the second GOP President to pick up seats in an off year Congressional election (Yes, I know he lost seats in 2006 but everyone does).

If you truly believe that W. is such a disaster, where does that put your party? Where do gore and kerry (who you voted for) place in the pantheon of disasters?

Where do you rank? If you voted for less than a zero, where do you stack up?

Listen, I don’t want you to quit posting. Get some rest. Don’t burn out.

I’m having too much fun with you.

JeffR

P.S. It has been noted that you refuse to admit your errors (aka Reagan getting more votes than GHWB/billy boy (twice)) It makes a better democrat of you.

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[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:
Klitschko is an adopted german national hero, every opponent of him gets booed, and the booing wasnt bad at all.

The only game i got tickets for during the 06 football world cup was Italy-Usa, and during the US anthem there was no one in a (mostly german)50,000 audience booing.

Btw, since when have americans turned into hypersensitive whiny pussies?[/quote]

End of thread.

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Unfortunately there’s a lot of behaviour by sports spectators like this, England gets booed by Scotland and Wales, probably Ireland too.

There’s always going to be times when spectators boo, or behave inappropriately- in the 2001? Ryder Cup the European golf team were getting verbally abused by American fans.

Anti-Americanism is different, but then I remember there being xenophobia when I was younger in the WWF: non-Americans would always be the bad guys, or just get jeered because they weren’t American.

I imagine that there is a degree of xenophobia in all cultures.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
…There’s always a euro-weenie excuse for Anti-Americanism.

…[/quote]

You got that right. I am 40 years old and idiots from Europe have been protesting everything American for my whole life.

I remember when they wanted unilateral disarmament because they were afraid of the Soviets. They were wrong about our strong stand against communism and they are wrong today.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
superpimp wrote:
That Bush’s trip to South America and people starting riots (even though half would give their right hand to live here) it get’s so an American wants to be an isolationist

isolationism would certainly be ideal. it’s a shame roosevelt ended this policy for us.

[/quote]

FDR? Wilson ended it long before then.

I am not sure we were ever truly isolationist. After all Thomas Jefferson got us into our first military action in the area of the middle east.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Bush practically creating al-qeada?[/quote]

Duh! The CIA created Al-Qaeda. H. Bush was head of the agency. He thus was part and parcel of its emergence.

That would be Reagan. Read more carefully.

El Salvador? Nicaragua? Grenada?

What I’m aware of is the MASSIVE efforts to put client regimes in those countries. And for whatever rebuilding you’re doing in Iraq, well, who broke the country in the first place? Granted, it wasn’t paradise, but it wasn’t apocalypse either.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
texasguy wrote:
superpimp wrote:
That Bush’s trip to South America and people starting riots (even though half would give their right hand to live here) it get’s so an American wants to be an isolationist

isolationism would certainly be ideal. it’s a shame roosevelt ended this policy for us.

FDR? Wilson ended it long before then.

I am not sure we were ever truly isolationist. After all Thomas Jefferson got us into our first military action in the area of the middle east.[/quote]

http://library.thinkquest.org/C006287/trwilson.htm

i don’t agree with the authors anti isolationist slant, but he gets some facts across in the middle of it all.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Bush wrecking countries?

That would be Reagan. Read more carefully.[/quote]

Gee sally, I thought you wrote this:

Now, maybe it’s due to the fact that I just returned from a GREAT Clutch concert, and possibly I’m QUITE drunk, but I’m sure that was what you wrote. Yea, I checked, that’s the bullshit you wrote alright.

Say what you mean, mean what you say asshole.

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Jeez, can we get the sand of out our collective vaginas.

This thread should have ended here…

[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:
Klitschko is an adopted german national hero, every opponent of him gets booed, and the booing wasnt bad at all.

The only game i got tickets for during the 06 football world cup was Italy-Usa, and during the US anthem there was no one in a (mostly german)50,000 audience booing.

Btw, since when have americans turned into hypersensitive whiny pussies?[/quote]

Even if a small section of the crowd at a boxing match booed the US anthem does it really matter? I mean, in the grand scheme of things.

If an American crowd booed a European anthem and some of the European forum members complained they’d be laughed off the forum and called “whiny pussies.”

Jeez, I mean seriously, there are way more important things to be offended about.

Threads about Anti-Americanism on this forum tend to lapse into stupidity. You have one side saying, ?The US is pure evil,? and the other saying, ?America is whiter than white,? and then there’s name calling. In reality the truth is somewhere in the middle.

There is a dislike of American foreign policy in European. There isn’t really a hatred of individual Americans per say. Also, shit, Europeans are allowed to criticise America in the same way Americans are allowed to criticise Europeans. There’s no point getting your panties in a bunch and crying because someone says something you don’t like.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Bush Junior failed to catch Ben Laden despite killing hundreds of thousands and wrecking countries.

Now, maybe it’s due to the fact that I just returned from a GREAT Clutch concert, and possibly I’m QUITE drunk, but I’m sure that was what you wrote. Yea, I checked, that’s the bullshit you wrote alright.

Say what you mean, mean what you say asshole.
[/quote]

Been under a rock the past four years? What part of “ruined Iraq” don’t you understand?

I’ll overlook the insult 'cause of the booze and all…