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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would think it to be a major flaw for any human to think of God as a “person”. I don’t. I doubt any human’s current mental state could even comprehend what God would actually be. That means if your comprehension of what others believe lies in the most juvenile concept you can think of, you will no doubt waste your time picking apart what matters least.[/quote]

This is one of the problem with religions today. This is what they’re based on, and also why I’m more inclined towards Deism if there is a creator.[/quote]

Where in the Bible is God described as a man?[/quote]

We’re made in his image.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

But would you know that if you were born in India? or Iran? I would have a feeling if you were born in Classical Greece a few thousand years ago, you would have different thoughts on Zues.

At the end of the day, most people believe what was first presented to them, and what they grew up hearing in their community. But does that validate their belief?

I think not
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That’s true of everything. Including your disbelief.

I only am what I am though. If I were a cat I wouldn’t have my same religious views either, but I don’t see the point in worrying about it.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would think it to be a major flaw for any human to think of God as a “person”. I don’t. I doubt any human’s current mental state could even comprehend what God would actually be. That means if your comprehension of what others believe lies in the most juvenile concept you can think of, you will no doubt waste your time picking apart what matters least.[/quote]

This is one of the problem with religions today. This is what they’re based on, and also why I’m more inclined towards Deism if there is a creator.[/quote]

Where in the Bible is God described as a man?[/quote]

We’re made in his image.[/quote]

That could mean in the sense of how our minds work, our need for others, our spiritual being, or a million other possibilities. Nowhere in the Bible is God described as a human being. In fact, it is implied we wouldn’t even be able to look at God due to the power there.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:
I don’t understand something about religious people, especially the very fanatics.

You believe in a God (depending on your religion) so you have :

-People who don’t believe and oppose the idea of a personified allmighty being.
-People who is undecided, and while they don’t follow any particular belief, they are not negative about their existance.
-People who worship a different god.

All these three groups are opposed to you, right?

So why don’t you find any evidence that your god(s) exist and crush all your opposition in a single blow? Why don’t you even TRY?
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Matters what kind of evidence you want.

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[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:
Again, the leprechaun/butt unicorn/giant sun-spider example is your problem here. Your argument is that unless there is evidence that conclusively demonstrates that God does not exist, then it is not nonsensical to believe in him. The thing is that if you apply that rule of evidence uniformly, you reach absurd conclusions.

The earliest records of Leprechauns go back 2,000 years to the “Echtra Fergus mac Lacti”. Leprechauns have persisted in written stories ever since, and there is a wealth of anecdotal evidence of people seeing Leprechauns. They’ve even been seen in Alabama.

Is it a reasonable for me to take the position that “Unless you can provide me with evidence that Leprechauns (invisible, magical miniature men, making shoes and hoarding gold at the end of the rainbow) do not exist, then they exist”?

In what way is this different from the argument that unless I can disprove God, he exists and the belief is rational?

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Because you can prove that there is no square circle.

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[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
It’s a direct question he can’t answer favorably and is instead fishing for extra material to spin.
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Fishing for extra material to spin?

I was asking you what subject you were referring to, all you had to do was quote (which someone did for you) it. I think you’re being purposefully obtuse.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
Ah, so it’s a deeply ingrained sense of exclusivity propagated by a culture traditionally ground underfoot . . . . [/quote]

You confuse me with someone who cares about what you believe.[/quote]

That’s been my point as well. I don’t see why they care either.[/quote]

Ah, but you have to not even care that they care!

Take it to a whole new level of not-give-a-shit. ;-)[/quote]

Who cares least wins. runs around buck nekkid

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[quote]colt44 wrote:
To add, I’m not sure that the existence of this universe can work if there were a cause/creator.

By the way if everything must have a cause/creator then who created your God?[/quote]

No, everything that began to existence has a cause. Difference. If you don’t understand, ask for clarifications.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
My prediction: One day in the near or distant future humans will look at Christianity/Catholicism/Hinduism/Islam the same way we look at the acnient egyptian, greek, and mayan religions: as those interesting but slightly naive beliefs thatthe ancient people held. [/quote]

Sure, because you know Judaism/Christianity didn’t form the most advanced civilization in the world. K.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would think it to be a major flaw for any human to think of God as a “person”. I don’t. I doubt any human’s current mental state could even comprehend what God would actually be. That means if your comprehension of what others believe lies in the most juvenile concept you can think of, you will no doubt waste your time picking apart what matters least.[/quote]

This is one of the problem with religions today. This is what they’re based on, and also why I’m more inclined towards Deism if there is a creator.[/quote]

Where in the Bible is God described as a man?[/quote]

We’re made in his image.[/quote]

I’m not sure where this going but image =/= form.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
It’s a direct question he can’t answer favorably and is instead fishing for extra material to spin.
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I am being purposefully obtuse. [/quote]
I know.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

But would you know that if you were born in India? or Iran? I would have a feeling if you were born in Classical Greece a few thousand years ago, you would have different thoughts on Zues.

At the end of the day, most people believe what was first presented to them, and what they grew up hearing in their community. But does that validate their belief?

I think not
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That’s true of everything. Including your disbelief.

I only am what I am though. If I were a cat I wouldn’t have my same religious views either, but I don’t see the point in worrying about it.[/quote]

THe point is that it is not based off of evidence or reason, rather luck of your parents, which takes away from the validity of your faith. You, nor any other person of faith, cannot present one single piece of evidence for your God. If your stance, like many others is, I know it because I feel it in my heart, than the inverse of that must also hold true. Such that, If I or someone can’t feel him or sense him, then he cannot exist.

And no, I once thought like any other white kid in America, born into a Christian family.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

THe point is that it is not based off of evidence or reason, rather luck of your parents, which takes away from the validity of your faith. You, nor any other person of faith, cannot present one single piece of evidence for your God. If your stance, like many others is, I know it because I feel it in my heart, than the inverse of that must also hold true. Such that, If I or someone can’t feel him or sense him, then he cannot exist.

And no, I once thought like any other white kid in America, born into a Christian family.[/quote]

Ah, but it is still your life and experience that lead you where you are. If in fact physics is responsible for belief. If you grew up overseas, you might be an adamant Hindi. Does that invalidate your atheism? If luck of parents makes your beliefs, it makes it no matter what you are. I didn’t grow up in a active Christian home for example. Why worry about what god would be to you if you were a cat? Why should it change what you actually are? It doesn’t logically invalidate anything.

And you are using bad logic with your feeling god disproof. A therefore B does not logically beget, not A therefore not B. This is technically called denying the antecedent.

I petted a cat, so I know the cat exists. So you are claiming, I have never petted such cat, therefore I know the cat doesn’t exist. No, you don’t.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Ah, but you have to not even care that they care!

Take it to a whole new level of not-give-a-shit. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, but you have bath time like this, so of course you don’t care.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

THe point is that it is not based off of evidence or reason, rather luck of your parents, which takes away from the validity of your faith. You, nor any other person of faith, cannot present one single piece of evidence for your God. If your stance, like many others is, I know it because I feel it in my heart, than the inverse of that must also hold true. Such that, If I or someone can’t feel him or sense him, then he cannot exist.

And no, I once thought like any other white kid in America, born into a Christian family.[/quote]

Ah, but it is still your life and experience that lead you where you are. If in fact physics is responsible for belief. If you grew up overseas, you might be an adamant Hindi.

And you are using bad logic with your feeling god disproof. A therefore B does not logically beget, not A therefore not B. This is technically called denying the antecedent.

I petted a cat, so I know the cat exists. So you are claiming, I have never petted such cat, therefore I know the cat doesn’t exist. No, you don’t.
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Exactly…Now you are catching on. Again, one’s faith is based off of luck, and in many cases fear. I think you can understand why I don’t believe your God exists, just because you tell me you can feel him in your heart. If I did believe in Hinduism, would you believe me because I can feel it? If you were logically consistent, you would have to. But I think you are smarter than that.

Now what would make all of this much easier would be to just show me how you know your God exists. I’m sure that would end this pretty quick.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

I can somewhat understand your stance here, but my question is how do you know that God, the creator of this universe is the GOd you pray too.

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Simple, I don’t. That’s what makes it faith.

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How do you differentiate between Jesus and Zues. This is usually what happens with most debates I have with Theists. They talk about Jesus and eventually back down to well something must have a cause/creator. Clearly though some evedince was presented to them that made them choose one God over the other. I am still waiting for that evidence… [/quote]

Jesus agrees with the truth I already knew in my heart and evaluated with my head.

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Again, how you know Jesus agrees with whatever the “truth” is. Aside from the luck of where you live, as we have already established, why Jesus? WHy do you believe in Jesus. Lets get rid of all of the other questions for a moment, but why is Jesus the one? Surely you have some greater knowledge of something than those who do not follow him.

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“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
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Except Jesus is supposed to forgive your wrongs if you believe in him and if he physically appeared you would Sooooo…

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

THe point is that it is not based off of evidence or reason, rather luck of your parents, which takes away from the validity of your faith. You, nor any other person of faith, cannot present one single piece of evidence for your God. If your stance, like many others is, I know it because I feel it in my heart, than the inverse of that must also hold true. Such that, If I or someone can’t feel him or sense him, then he cannot exist.

And no, I once thought like any other white kid in America, born into a Christian family.[/quote]

Ah, but it is still your life and experience that lead you where you are. If in fact physics is responsible for belief. If you grew up overseas, you might be an adamant Hindi.

And you are using bad logic with your feeling god disproof. A therefore B does not logically beget, not A therefore not B. This is technically called denying the antecedent.

I petted a cat, so I know the cat exists. So you are claiming, I have never petted such cat, therefore I know the cat doesn’t exist. No, you don’t.
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Exactly…Now you are catching on. Again, one’s faith is based off of luck, and in many cases fear. I think you can understand why I don’t believe your God exists, just because you tell me you can feel him in your heart. If I did believe in Hinduism, would you believe me because I can feel it? If you were logically consistent, you would have to. But I think you are smarter than that.

Now what would make all of this much easier would be to just show me how you know your God exists. I’m sure that would end this pretty quick. [/quote]

No, you missed what I said. You not seeing something doesn’t invalidate what I have seen. It does not mean I have to believe what you say you feel, nor for you to believe what I say I do. But not feeling isn’t proof of the negative.

Your last statement leads me to believe you haven’t been listening to me.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

Again, how you know Jesus agrees with whatever the “truth” is. Aside from the luck of where you live, as we have already established, why Jesus? WHy do you believe in Jesus. Lets get rid of all of the other questions for a moment, but why is Jesus the one? Surely you have some greater knowledge of something than those who do not follow him. [/quote]

Again, I’m no theologian. But I have explained, in a nutshell, why. I can go back and copy and paste what I said earlier if you like. May be you mean to say my reasons aren’t good enough for you?

But, let me ask you the same question. Do you know any truth? What is it?