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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
My prediction: One day in the near or distant future humans will look at Christianity/Catholicism/Hinduism/Islam the same way we look at the acnient egyptian, greek, and mayan religions: as those interesting but slightly naive beliefs thatthe ancient people held. [/quote]

Yeah, they first said that about Judaism 3,500 years ago.

The ancient Eqyptians said it 3200 years ago.

The Philisteens said it 3,000 years.

The Babylonians said it 2,700 years ago.

The Greeks said it 2,300 years ago.

The Romans said it 2,000 years ago.

The Catholics said it over-and-over starting 1800 years ago, with a big push in 600 years ago.

The Kossacks and Soviets tried it on-and-off 150 to 70 years ago.

The Nazis said it 60ish years ago.

The entire arab world said it 50 years ago, and still says it today.

But, somehow, we live on. It’s like we have help or something.

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Well, it was bound to be someone.

To be the one last sect still standing does not equate to being special.

Of course, there are the Amish, Alewites and whatnot, lets revisit that in about 10000 years.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
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Could you expand on the second paragraph a little more, I can’t tell if I am misinterpreting what you are saying? I would like to respond but am unsure what you really mean.

To your first point however. You tell me what is more Probable (don’t cunfuse with possible).

A God, who creates this earth and all of the living things on it, and decides he is not going to tell everyone he exists. Those who dont trust people of faith, will be tortured for eternity. Those who never hear of it (by luck of the draw) since they live in a rural area away from society, will also be tortured for eternity. Aside from that. What kind of supreme being is so insecure as he(and make no mistake, God has a penis) that he must create humans to constantly praise him.

or

There is no God.

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[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
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Except Jesus is supposed to forgive your wrongs if you believe in him and if he physically appeared you would Sooooo…[/quote]

I started to quote some versus that show how many ways your single sentence was idiotic, but then I realized it would be arguing Christian theology with a sarcastic atheist.

You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry. But when I was discussing those points, you stayed away from the argument, which only leads me to believe you didn’t want to engage until you found a hill you could stand on and throw rocks without danger of return fire on your own house.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

Again, how you know Jesus agrees with whatever the “truth” is. Aside from the luck of where you live, as we have already established, why Jesus? WHy do you believe in Jesus. Lets get rid of all of the other questions for a moment, but why is Jesus the one? Surely you have some greater knowledge of something than those who do not follow him. [/quote]

Again, I’m no theologian. But I have explained, in a nutshell, why. I can go back and copy and paste what I said earlier if you like. May be you mean to say my reasons aren’t good enough for you?

But, let me ask you the same question. Do you know any truth? What is it?
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Don’t you want to have some sort of reason to beleive other than what you have told me? All I am asking for is a little evidence, not Jesus to have dinner with me. Just need a little something.

I know many things, however I understand where you are trying to bring this, it does not however support your belief.

We can throw away everything, all science, all philisophical questions, all i need is a little something to beleive in Jesus that goes beyond what you feel, and beyond what is in the Bible.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
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Could you expand on the second paragraph a little more, I can’t tell if I am misinterpreting what you are saying? I would like to respond but am unsure what you really mean.

To your first point however. You tell me what is more Probable (don’t cunfuse with possible).

A God, who creates this earth and all of the living things on it, and decides he is not going to tell everyone he exists. Those who dont trust people of faith, will be tortured for eternity. Those who never hear of it (by luck of the draw) since they live in a rural area away from society, will also be tortured for eternity. Aside from that. What kind of supreme being is so insecure as he(and make no mistake, God has a penis) that he must create humans to constantly praise him.

or

There is no God. And the universe magically caused itself.[/quote]

Fixed that or part just a bit.

What I mean is knowledge is responsibility. That is the story of Adam and Eve. Let me ask this. If you were a parent who had a unaware child that, no matter what you did, short of locking them up, was going to do something terrible, would you want to impart on your child the knowledge and awareness of their evil deed? Would you remove the ignorance of the evil before the fact and make them responsible for it?

I know for a fact, that even putting my hand in Jesus’ side, I personally would still fall short. Only knowing, I would not have ignorance as an excuse.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

Again, how you know Jesus agrees with whatever the “truth” is. Aside from the luck of where you live, as we have already established, why Jesus? WHy do you believe in Jesus. Lets get rid of all of the other questions for a moment, but why is Jesus the one? Surely you have some greater knowledge of something than those who do not follow him. [/quote]

Again, I’m no theologian. But I have explained, in a nutshell, why. I can go back and copy and paste what I said earlier if you like. May be you mean to say my reasons aren’t good enough for you?

But, let me ask you the same question. Do you know any truth? What is it?
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Don’t you want to have some sort of reason to beleive other than what you have told me? All I am asking for is a little evidence, not Jesus to have dinner with me. Just need a little something.

I know many things, however I understand where you are trying to bring this, it does not however support your belief.

We can throw away everything, all science, all philisophical questions, all i need is a little something to beleive in Jesus that goes beyond what you feel, and beyond what is in the Bible.[/quote]

Don’t presume to know where I’m going. Humor me. What do you know, in the absolute sense?

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I will answer later after gym…good day sir

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
[/quote]
Except Jesus is supposed to forgive your wrongs if you believe in him and if he physically appeared you would Sooooo…[/quote]

I started to quote some versus that show how many ways your single sentence was idiotic, but then I realized it would be arguing Christian theology with a sarcastic atheist.

You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry. But when I was discussing those points, you stayed away from the argument, which only leads me to believe you didn’t want to engage until you found a hill you could stand on and throw rocks without danger of return fire on your own house.
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Actually I was busy doing real world things and just rejoined the thread, where I saw your comment.

If Jesus physically appeared and unequivocally proved Christianity people would believe in him, thereby being forgiven of their sins or responsibility to death through the sacrificial lamb. This is his covenant and there is no sarcasm.

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[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really mean? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
[/quote]
Except Jesus is supposed to forgive your wrongs if you believe in him and if he physically appeared you would Sooooo…[/quote]

I started to quote some versus that show how many ways your single sentence was idiotic, but then I realized it would be arguing Christian theology with a sarcastic atheist.

You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry. But when I was discussing those points, you stayed away from the argument, which only leads me to believe you didn’t want to engage until you found a hill you could stand on and throw rocks without danger of return fire on your own house.
[/quote]
Actually I was busy doing real world things and just rejoined the thread, where I saw your comment.

If Jesus physically appeared and unequivocally proved Christianity people would believe in him, thereby being forgiven of their sins or responsibility to death through the sacrificial lamb. This is his covenant and there is no sarcasm.[/quote]

“You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry.”

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[quote]colt44 wrote:
I will answer later after gym…good day sir[/quote]

I have a really busy weekend, in-laws, finishing building a chicken coop, est, so I may not get back with you for a while. Open minded honest discussion is a refreshing change.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really meant? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
[/quote]
Except Jesus is supposed to forgive your wrongs if you believe in him and if he physically appeared you would Sooooo…[/quote]

I started to quote some versus that show how many ways your single sentence was idiotic, but then I realized it would be arguing Christian theology with a sarcastic atheist.

You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry. But when I was discussing those points, you stayed away from the argument, which only leads me to believe you didn’t want to engage until you found a hill you could stand on and throw rocks without danger of return fire on your own house.
[/quote]
Actually I was busy doing real world things and just rejoined the thread, where I saw your comment.

If Jesus physically appeared and unequivocally proved Christianity people would believe in him, thereby being forgiven of their sins or responsibility to death through the sacrificial lamb. This is his covenant and there is no sarcasm.[/quote]

“You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry.”[/quote]
Whose path of enlightenment are you referencing? Because Jesus only offers one, huckleberry.

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My take on religion:

Hope this helps.

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[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“I know it because I feel it in my heart”

To expand on this a little, I have often wondered why things must be based on faith, and why god doesn’t just literally talk to be or show himself. Then I’d have no doubt right?

Well, maybe, but what would that really meant? Image for a minute that Christianity is truth and that Jesus actually appeared to you and removed all doubt. What then would your life be? Responsibility. The responsibility and consequences for an aware adult in knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than that of an unaware child. If that happened to you, what would you do? Try to convince the world? Sell all your belongings and take up your cross? That’s a hard road.
[/quote]
Except Jesus is supposed to forgive your wrongs if you believe in him and if he physically appeared you would Sooooo…[/quote]

I started to quote some versus that show how many ways your single sentence was idiotic, but then I realized it would be arguing Christian theology with a sarcastic atheist.

You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry. But when I was discussing those points, you stayed away from the argument, which only leads me to believe you didn’t want to engage until you found a hill you could stand on and throw rocks without danger of return fire on your own house.
[/quote]
Actually I was busy doing real world things and just rejoined the thread, where I saw your comment.

If Jesus physically appeared and unequivocally proved Christianity people would believe in him, thereby being forgiven of their sins or responsibility to death through the sacrificial lamb. This is his covenant and there is no sarcasm.[/quote]

“You cannot begin the discussion about god with step number 3000. If you want to start with me on step 1, I’m your huckleberry.”[/quote]
Whose path of enlightenment are you referencing? Because Jesus only offers one, huckleberry.[/quote]

Au contraire, he offers many.

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[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

Whose path of enlightenment are you referencing? Because Jesus only offers one, huckleberry.[/quote]

I refuse to argue the specifics with someone who does not accept the premise. The best I can do is discuss the premise with you because that is the only area of common ground.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

Whose path of enlightenment are you referencing? Because Jesus only offers one, huckleberry.[/quote]

I refuse to argue the specifics with someone who does not accept the premise. The best I can do is discuss the premise with you because that is the only area of common ground.[/quote]

You know, you can acknowledge that Christianity offered a new perspective on the whole deity thing without swallowing the whole son of God thing hook, line ands sinker.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

Whose path of enlightenment are you referencing? Because Jesus only offers one, huckleberry.[/quote]

I refuse to argue the specifics with someone who does not accept the premise. The best I can do is discuss the premise with you because that is the only area of common ground.[/quote]

You know, you can acknowledge that Christianity offered a new perspective on the whole deity thing without swallowing the whole son of God thing hook, line ands sinker. [/quote]

Yup. I know. But I also know that Boot there is just playing a baiting game. He is arguing the correct interpretation of a book he believes is unequivocally false. It puts the argument in a place where his beliefs go untouched and I have to try to race around putting out fires of ignorance on mine. I ain’t playing that game.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

Whose path of enlightenment are you referencing? Because Jesus only offers one, huckleberry.[/quote]

I refuse to argue the specifics with someone who does not accept the premise. The best I can do is discuss the premise with you because that is the only area of common ground.[/quote]

You know, you can acknowledge that Christianity offered a new perspective on the whole deity thing without swallowing the whole son of God thing hook, line ands sinker. [/quote]

Yup. I know. But I also know that Boot there is just playing a baiting game. He is arguing the correct interpretation of a book he believes is unequivocally false. It puts the argument in a place where his beliefs go untouched and I have to try to race around putting out fires of ignorance on mine. I ain’t playing that game.[/quote]

Yeah well, I probably would not either.

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What I would also like to add that religion rarely is about dogmas that are indefensible if you really put a spot light on them.

They are about tradition, rituals and community and it is very hard to argue against that.

And no, some new age bullshit will not do.

I know, it should, but it does not.

And after all, we are in the second century of an ongoing experiment now, one would think that the most primitive excesses of the French Revolution could be discarded as a failure right about now?

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[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:
Again, the leprechaun/butt unicorn/giant sun-spider example is your problem here. Your argument is that unless there is evidence that conclusively demonstrates that God does not exist, then it is not nonsensical to believe in him. The thing is that if you apply that rule of evidence uniformly, you reach absurd conclusions.

The earliest records of Leprechauns go back 2,000 years to the “Echtra Fergus mac Lacti”. Leprechauns have persisted in written stories ever since, and there is a wealth of anecdotal evidence of people seeing Leprechauns. They’ve even been seen in Alabama.

Is it a reasonable for me to take the position that “Unless you can provide me with evidence that Leprechauns (invisible, magical miniature men, making shoes and hoarding gold at the end of the rainbow) do not exist, then they exist”?

In what way is this different from the argument that unless I can disprove God, he exists and the belief is rational?

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Not sure who you are addressing with this comment. If it is me, then you have a misunderstanding of my stance. I am saying that unless there is evidence for a god’s existence, we shouldn’t believe in him. We should only accept his existence as factual if we have evidence to support it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
You may have one guess.[/quote]

Sorry, I’m not going to guess. I’ve been patient in an attempt to understand you better and answer your question. And, all I asked for was a clarification of what you were asking about. If you don’t want to do that, that is fine. [/quote]
A very nice dodge.[/quote]

How can I dodge something when you don’t make yourself clear? I asked what subject you were referring to and you act like a little school girl with a crush wanting her girlfriends to guess her favorite beau. [/quote]
This is just silly.[/quote]

He asked you for clarification and you wouldn’t give it. What’s silly is dodging his question for so long instead of simply answering it.

But hey, who am I kidding. This thread is a prime example of what I wrote earlier.

I don’t see too many people jumping into threads that have nothing to do with the subject of religion and degrading atheists for no reason…but clearly many atheists feel this need to do so in reverse.

Bottom line, people like that seem to care a little too much …about something they claim to not acknowledge at all. I personally don’t care at all about many subjects…which is why I don’t think about them all day long in random threads.

It is just an observation.

It is blatantly odd to care that much about something you claim to not care about.[/quote]

I don’t claim to not care about it. I care about the issue very much. People’s beliefs drive decisions. Those decisions often effect other people. This is the reason I feel so strongly about the issue. If someone believes that a global war can bring about the end of times, this person, if in a leadership position, may be more likely to lead the people to war. If someone is in charge of allocating research funds and they believe morality can not have arisen in the brain naturally, but had to be planted their by a god, then they will be less likely to fund neuroscience research in this area. If people’s beliefs resided only in their heads, I wouldn’t care. Unfortunately people’s beliefs often effect others.