[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If I am wrong about having faith then well I just got to go through life with faith.
If you are wrong you get to go to hell.
I like my odds.
That is reason.[/quote]
If that’s your goal I would personally hedge my bets with Islam. Their hell as described is much worse than the Christian one.
I just dont see why atheists feel the need to force us not to believe or to prove us wrong. Its like they are trying to make us not believe will make them feel better about their own lack of believe in something?
I dont shout at atheists like a crazy homeless person trying to make them find religion. I dont really care what they believe.
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Do atheists get frequent flyer miles for every Christian they convert? [/quote]
70 virgins and a palace.[/quote]
Is there a weight restriction on the virgins?[/quote]
Fuck no. You can close your eyes though.
You and the wifey ever hit up Wild West for free two step lessons? It’s near a great churrascaria… just saying.[/quote]
I dont like Country music I only two step at weddings that I am forced to go to.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
Can you substitute Jesus for Elvis and make a distinction?[/quote]
What are you asking?[/quote]
Exactly what I asked.[/quote]
Ok, can you make your question clearer?[/quote]
Not really. It’s pretty cut and dry.[/quote]
Okay, what situation are we substituting Jesus for Elvis?[/quote]
You are not making a good case for reasonable intelligence.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Like I said, you see this from a large number of atheists and it makes little sense. Something must be there making them feel some need to degrade other people like that. I don’t ever find myself randomly ranting about atheists.[/quote]
Something doesn’t make “little sense” because you say it does.
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I’m just going to quote this because I find it funny that you’re telling a man what makes sense to him and what does not make sense.[/quote]
This is kind of the point. We need to stop pretending there isn’t stuff that actually “makes sense” regardless of what one believes. I’ll use the pancake/Elvis example again. I can say that speaking magic words over my pancakes, turning them in to Elvis makes sense TO ME, but that doesn’t mean it actually makes sense. There are things for which there is evidence, and things for which there is no evidence. I am saying we should hold mentally healthy adults to the standard of, “Its not OK to publicly espouse beliefs for which there is no evidence.”
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Do atheists get frequent flyer miles for every Christian they convert? [/quote]
70 virgins and a palace.[/quote]
Is there a weight restriction on the virgins?[/quote]
Fuck no. You can close your eyes though.
You and the wifey ever hit up Wild West for free two step lessons? It’s near a great churrascaria… just saying.[/quote]
I dont like Country music I only two step at weddings that I am forced to go to.
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Texan smexan. You like GaGa? Poker face is pretty legit.
[quote]bassist127 wrote:
The unfortunate thing about being an atheist is other atheists…some of them start these discussion. As an atheist I’d rather not discuss it all and let people believe what they want to believe.[/quote]
This view is EXTREMELY short sighted.
If you lived in Saudi Arabia your disbelief in Muhammed would be punishable by death. But hey, I guess we should not discuss what people believe.
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Do atheists get frequent flyer miles for every Christian they convert? [/quote]
70 virgins and a palace.[/quote]
Is there a weight restriction on the virgins?[/quote]
Fuck no. You can close your eyes though.
You and the wifey ever hit up Wild West for free two step lessons? It’s near a great churrascaria… just saying.[/quote]
I dont like Country music I only two step at weddings that I am forced to go to.
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Texan smexan. You like GaGa? Poker face is pretty legit.[/quote]
Nope Im a POD, Korn, Tool type of guy.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
This is called Pascal’s wager, and as it has been around for several hundred years it is quite tired and worn out. First it smacks of dishonesty. You are going to believe something simply because it might pay off for you? [/quote]
Obviously it’s not very tired and worn out. Since that is not the purpose of Pascal’s wager.[/quote]
OK, so here is an opportunity for me to live the ideas that I profess. Do I have a misunderstanding of Pascal’s wager? If I do, I am totally open to the idea that I am wrong and to being exposed to the ideas that show I am wrong. I am genuinely driven to correctly understand Pascal’s wager, so I will ask you to point me in the direction of some sources so that I can have a correct understanding.
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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
I just dont see why atheists feel the need to force us not to believe or to prove us wrong. Its like they are trying to make us not believe will make them feel better about their own lack of believe in something?
I dont shout at atheists like a crazy homeless person trying to make them find religion. I dont really care what they believe. [/quote]
This is a common misconception that I would like to clear up. The post will be a bit lengthy, but here goes…
I don’t give two shits what you believe. You can believe whatever batshit crazy stuff you want. If you want to, you can believe that while you are sleeping a unicorn climbs out of your butt and checks your alarm clock for you. You can believe that if you would like, but there are some things you need to know…
1.) Don’t you dare try to get your butt unicorn ideas into my science classrooms.
2.) Don’t knock on my door to tell me about your butt unicorn.
3.) Don’t think that you and your butt unicorn buddies are entitled to tax breaks and special treatment under the law.
4.) Don’t speak to me telling me that I am immoral, amoral, evil, or going to suffer because I do not share your butt unicorn beliefs.
And here is the big one…
5.) If you publicly proclaim your butt unicorn beliefs you will face judgement and ridicule because it is not OK for grown up, mentally healthy people to believe in butt unicorns, magic underwear, talking snakes, magical golden plates, that cutting the skin off of a boy’s penis marks him chosen by the butt unicorn, that your emperor is a supernatural being, that you get 72 virgins (or raisins, depending on who you ask) for killing people that don’t believe in your butt unicorn, magical crackers, or anything else that falls into the butt unicorn category.
I am not out to convert anyone. I’m not under the impression that anyone will change their beliefs because of what I say. Calling out nonsense and bad ideas is something that should be done and so I am doing it.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
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Nonsense.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If I am wrong about having faith then well I just got to go through life with faith.
If you are wrong you get to go to hell.
I like my odds.
That is reason.[/quote]
That is an awesome comment. [/quote]
You are certainly not all. Surely you’ve heard of evangelists? Fishers of men? I mean, wwjd?
[quote]orion wrote:
What does a Mayan skull do in Tibet?
Why did we steal it?
???[/quote]
My thoughts exactly. At first I thought it may have been a made-up detail meant to lend credence to the whole Mayan-end-of-the-world-2012 thing (what with Tibetan monks being wise and all-knowing and all).
I also find it interesting that this guy made up his own name for the skull.
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
There are things for which there is evidence, and things for which there is no evidence. I am saying we should hold mentally healthy adults to the standard of, “Its not OK to publicly espouse beliefs for which there is no evidence.”
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In a court of law a witness may testify about events only he or she witnessed. Is this evidence? Does the fact that nobody else saw what the witness saw automatically negate that evidence?
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BootScootBoogy wrote:
Can you substitute Jesus for Elvis and make a distinction?[/quote]
What are you asking?[/quote]
Exactly what I asked.[/quote]
Ok, can you make your question clearer?[/quote]
Not really. It’s pretty cut and dry.[/quote]
Okay, what situation are we substituting Jesus for Elvis?[/quote]
You are not making a good case for reasonable intelligence.[/quote]
Because I don’t know what you’re asking about when you don’t place the subject of our discussion in your question?
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Like I said, you see this from a large number of atheists and it makes little sense. Something must be there making them feel some need to degrade other people like that. I don’t ever find myself randomly ranting about atheists.[/quote]
Something doesn’t make “little sense” because you say it does.
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I’m just going to quote this because I find it funny that you’re telling a man what makes sense to him and what does not make sense.[/quote]
This is kind of the point. We need to stop pretending there isn’t stuff that actually “makes sense” regardless of what one believes. I’ll use the pancake/Elvis example again. I can say that speaking magic words over my pancakes, turning them in to Elvis makes sense TO ME, but that doesn’t mean it actually makes sense. There are things for which there is evidence, and things for which there is no evidence. I am saying we should hold mentally healthy adults to the standard of, “Its not OK to publicly espouse beliefs for which there is no evidence.”
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That’s not the same thing as PX not understanding why atheists feel the need to attack theists.