George Floyd Riots

It’s not, it’s an attack on black nuclear families.

There are plenty of other Marxists who say nice things too

They are not aware of the facts

How about “Workers of the world, unite!”? Sounds good, what’s there to oppose?

Because they are useful idiots

Exactly. It asserts that the black nuclear family is not only unnecessary but a Western construct that denies blacks their opportunity to express their blackness (which is really saying it runs counter to the Marxism that they see as an expression of blackness). I wouldn’t be surprised if they said Karl Marx stole his ideas from Africa. They believe blacks can only thrive in a collectivist setting.

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I think this is demeaning and not at all accurate. You are simply equating the statement (whether worn on a shirt, written, or orally expressed) to mean something most do not. I choose to support the statement because I believe that doing so may help bring about real changes in racial inequality, and doing so shows my support to the black community.

Looking back at two scenarios:

  1. I supported BLM because by doing so I was voicing my solidarity to the blac

That’s because BLM is about indoctrinating black people in communist ideology. Abolition of the family is one of the stated goals in the Communist Manifesto written by Marx and Engels.

It’s the slogan of a marxist organization. Just because people can’t see that doesn’t make it any better.

And uniting the workers of the world could help to stop poor people being exploited by unscrupulous businessmen, but it was used to foment communist revolutions instead.

Communists gain power by organizing people to address legitimate grievances, but it quickly turns into totalitarianism, mass murder, and famine. Just look at what other communists have done in the past. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Police brutality and racism are bad things and it only makes sense to oppose them, but if you align yourself with BLM - either the movement or the organization - then you become a pawn of the Marxists running the operation. Also known as a useful idiot.

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While you’re avoiding becoming a pawn to Marxists who are seeking to gain power by coercing useful idiots to unknowingly take on their slogan, turning society into one of totalitarianism, mass murder, and famine, I’ll be standing by my fellow humans in their quest for racial equality.

Talk about missing the forest for the trees, my man.

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And making Trump look sane and prescient, which is an extremelly impressive feat.

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Yes. Your quest will be successful by standing.

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You mean fellow useful idiots and communists

You can support racial equality without being part of a marxist movement.

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At some point, the Constitution will be next.

I don’t doubt that. I do too…but I think we are both probably more well informed than others.

I agree. In response to why it is important, I personally hold that affording an extreme (used loosely, just meaning outside mainstream centrist) organization accidental influence and money is never really a good thing.

Basically, people ought to know what they’re supporting regardless of the platform.

I’d count myself among these. We should probably agree to disagree here, since I definitely felt like BLM’s “what we believe” was…not great. At least not the way they phrased it, which I take as intentional.

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Eh, most of my points have already been made but fuck it…I’ve already typed my replies…

@Antiquity is extremely smart. I don’t agree with his particular position but he is most definitely not that.

This, to me, is precisely right. Many people do not differentiate.

This to me is a problem. Not because of their motives which I agree with, but because the Marxist BLM organization benefits in a very material manner from people not differentiating the two.

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Indeed. I don’t think people should automatically jump to idiot so quickly just because of a disagreement. I’ve disagreed with people on here that I know are very bright we simply disagree on something.

But I am also chuckling a bit at the people who are saying just do what higher ups say no matter what and you won’t go wrong. Which is fine and dandy but not too long ago (and still) they were mocking and refusing to wear masks during a pandemic which is doing what the higher ups say. And another odd stance for those chanting all lives matter but absolutely refusing to take this simple step that may save lives.

Saying someone is a useful idiot is not the same as calling someone an idiot. Chris gave an excellent definition earlier. Its saying they are being misguided, misled and manipulated by the people whose ideals they support. It was popularized by Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB agent, who defected from the USSR to America. He exposed the Communist’s tactics to infiltrate western society and subvert it, aided by Communist sympathisers who believed the propaganda. Many of these sympathisers were otherwise quite intelligent, highly educated academics. They believed the theory, but were unaware of the brutal realities of the totalitarian regimes.
It wasn’t the Americans that called them idiots, it was the Soviets. They had complete disdain and disgust for these people who did their dirty work in the west, hence were useful idiots.

There are plenty of youtube clips of Bezmenov talking about the Soviet tactics. Its quite an eye opener if you haven’t seen them before. Despite the USSR no longer existing, the “useful idiots” are still unknowingly doing damage to their own societies, fulfilling the plan to weaken and dilute the resolve and harmony of our nations.

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Exactly. For example, National Interest are useful idiots because they’re running a six page propaganda article ostensibly written by Putin himself.

BLM are a typical neo-Marxist organization, it just happen that their founders are black. When you read their program, it seems that they simply copy/pasted the adjective “black” before every noun, thus supposedly differentiating themselves from other Marxist organizations.

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Sorry, don’t know why some of my posts say “withdrawn by author”. I don’t know why that happened.

If you don’t know or understand what BLM is really about and you still support them that makes you a useful idiot. To be a real Marxist or communist requires more knowledge.

Of course the idea that police brutality against black people needs to stop is going to get a lot of support, that’s the whole point. Except rather than some sort of grassroots movement started by ordinary people, you have a bunch of Marxists running things and manipulating people for their own ends. That’s how this works. Look at some other places that had communist revolutions, like Cuba for example. Sure, there were plenty of legitimate grievances and a very unequal society but that was used to gain support for a movement which led to a totalitarian government and everyone living in poverty.

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Excellent review article. Given the amount of praise this book has been getting in (actual) progressive circles as well as left-of-center people I was somewhat hoping for a more nuanced discussion in the book.

Well, not hoping exactly…I suspected it didn’t have a solution. I suppose I hoped that it would at least bring to light some new ground. Sadly but predictably, not so.

There are some bits in this piece that may anger upstanding officers like marine77 and I can understand why (broad brush and all) but overall really good.