George Floyd Riots

IIRC it is being an unwanted child. In most of these cases it happens to be a fatherless situation as well though. This is the predictor of crime at birth. Not sure what predictors after birth say. Being in a gang is probably a better predictor than being unwanted.

“Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.

We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.”

Not once do they use the word father. When they use the word men it’s in a negative context.

Many of those points seem great. Some, i think go too far or should be reworded.

Similar to a political party, does an identified republican agree with EVERYTHING that is an official RNC platform policy? Probably not, but he/she still identifies as a supporter of the republican party, right?

Same with BLM. You dont have to be a donor to BLM, or support everything the organization stands for to be a supporter of the blm movement.

If you aren’t a straight man.

Please, explain how these sound bad to straight men?

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another

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That was my only point. I agree with what I assume most of the protesters want.

And this is relevant to the situation with straight black men being killed by police in what way?

Then why use the word “disrupting”? Single parent families are nothing to support, it’s a problem. There are statistic showing a whole lot of negative things correlating to growing up in a single parent family, there is nothing good about that.

That would be contrary to their Marxist ideology.

The section the zecarlo quoted was more about gender ideology than anything else, if that sounds good to you and you say you are straight then you must have a different idea of what that means. But seeing as this is a movement for black people, the question should be how regular average black people feel about this stuff, not just Marxist radicals.

Totally. It seems like Z is assuming all supporters of BLM and the blm movement are all-or-nothing. And that is just not the case, ever, with anything. Just like political parties there are varying levels of buy-in and support, and supporters like and dislike different parts of the platform.

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In other words, free from environments in which men are centered. Misogyny no, misandry yes?

George Floyd must be spinning in his grave.

It is intended to empower black people in society. BLM is not JUST about police violence, it has become much more than that, though the original name has stuck around. Hence, why BLM the organization does not neccesarily equal the blm movement.

disrupting the nuclear family. Not disrupting two parent families. your cherrypicking out of context IMO, though you are free to interpret how you like. No argument about two good parents better than one good parent.

Zecarlo quoted everything and said it all would sound terrible to a straight male. thats straight up BS. curiously, what parts (specifically) about gender ideology do you think sound bad to a straight male?

How does disrupting nuclear families empower black people? Seems more like the opposite.

Yeah, it’s a LGBT communist movement

What? What kind of two parent families do you have in mind?

Just read this again:
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, "

Also called a commune, as in COMMUNISM

Do you not find it concerning that one of the founders is on record saying they are “trained Marxists”?

All of them.

Why don’t you do an experiment, go up to random back people on the street and read that section and ask what they think. Ask them how they feel about joining a queer-affirming network.

Like i said, BLM has become more than just black folks getting killed by police.

I agree its about LGBTQ+ rights as well.

Like i said in one of my other posts, 2 dads, 2 moms, trans parents. I am actually wrong though, the term “nuclear family” just refers to two parents and their children. So i would disagree with this BLM policy point. Good call.

I am totally fine joining a network in which gay folks feel comfortable and empowered. And i bet damn near everyone i know feels the same way. What part about that is bad for straight males?

So you’re okay with joining a Marxist group?

Are all Republicans OK with grabbing women by their pussy without asking? Nope. And im not okay with joining a marxist group.

Its not an all-or-nothing here. there are policies i agree with and some i dont. But i do agree with the majority of ideas. The blm movement is an umbrella term. BLM the organization is not the blm movement, and vice versa.

It’s an organization run by Marxists.

Maybe there are some neo-Nazi groups that have some good ideas too, would that make is reasonable to join them despite their shortcomings?

Lol, again you seem intent on BLM = blm movement. Thats just not the case. There is a reason why nearly all corporate announcements saying they stand with the Blm movement didnt capitalize BLM
 It seems like this misunderstanding is the crux of our disagreement.

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You were just defending everything they say on their site.

Nope, i was defending the policy points i agree with. And not defending the policy points i disagree with.

Sounds to me more like you were saying you’re OK with the parts you find questionable because as a whole you support them. But whatever.

I think that’s awfully generous of you to believe that most people reading about these recent goings-on can differentiate the two


To me that’s EXACTLY why the BLM organization has gotten so popular recentt–people didn’t read the fine print and/or at all. It is popular precisely because most people don’t differentiate between movement and organization. Corporations may, but contrary to SCOTUS opinion they’re not most people lol.

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