Zep would obliterate them any day of the week in any form of serious political discourse that doesn’t devolve into name calling after 3 posts.
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Edit: But could Zep go more than three posts without name calling? Seems a bit of an irresistible force vs. immovable object thing.
What about this car? (And it’s street legal!!!). We should all drive around in one of these, we can form a club. It’d be adorable
I haven’t seen the footage, thus I can’t comment. I’d like to mention in situations like this when tensions are high, remaining cool, calm and collected can be very difficult. Mistakes happen, the intent isn’t always malicious.
Hypothetically if someone were to charge at me with a knife and I had a gun chances are I wouldn’t shoot for the leg once in hopes the shot leads to incapacitation. I’d shit a brick and in the midst of the moment with my adrenaline pumping sky high I’d probably empty the clip in a hurry even though it is totally unnecessary to do so
I think this is a case where we need to give leeway to the officers’ perception of danger. You can argue that made the wrong decision, but I don’t think you can argue that it was “depraved” or indifferent. And the standard is “a reasonable person” in the SAME situation as far as I know.
Besides this, and I know you’ll see where I’m going with this but I hope others will too, there are good reasons that we don’t prosecute every poor decision made by a soldier on mission in a war. The obvious “fog of war”, continual stress, and fight or flight responses are just a few reasons… I don’t wish to consider police as soldiers, however in my opinion a degree of the same kind of thought process has to occur here. They were there, they made a snap call in a very acutely stressful position where they felt endangered.
Now if someone wants to move them off the street to administration or some other non-punitive discipline o suppose that’s another story. But I don’t favor charging criminally them in this situation.
Also, if I recall, SOP once firing is to keep firing until the threat is eliminated or you need to reload. I am sure it varies based on department but also sure it’s close to that. Given fighter flight responses, I am not sure I see legal difficulty in the officers continuing to fire. Maybe tactical difficulty based on their arrangement, but not legal.
I would feel different if there was a pause before shooting resumed. That would indicate an officer was considering options enough to feel out of danger. Typically similar things are considered in self-defense situations of all stripes. I was working with a CQ instructor yesterday on pistols and we talked about this exact same concept - if at any point you stop firing long enough to think and assess, and then continue firing afterwards you are exposed to more legal risk because it is no longer imminent danger.
Poorly paraphrased but I’m on the go right now. Marine or others can definitely articulate better.
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That’s why this is the only place I discuss politics on the internet these days.
It is not, in fact, unnecessary to empty the clip. Proper training is actually to shoot until the threat stops - not falters, but stops.
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Zep won’t be the one who starts the name calling unless he starts one of those posts/threads where he goes on a tirade about everyone being sheep or something.
He is smarter and way more articulate than any of them.
The standard tactic(s) pulled on him would be:
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Assume he’s a foreigner and tell him go back to his own country because his “English is too good”. It won’t matter even if he offers to converse in Mandarin because they still have no.2 to fall back on.
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If he’s not a foreigner or pretends not to be one, pull the “I never had the opportunity for a good education so I’m immediately morally superior to you elitists which makes my opinions more valid than yours’s” bullshit even though education here is free up till tertiary level and the cost of a tertiary education is 5-10x less than what you pay in the US with PPP already factored in.
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If he’s a foreigner with poor English but has good points, attack and ridicule his standard of English first and tell him to go back to his own country.
He will then get mobbed.
Zep would probably return here a raging capitalist lol.
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When the threat is speeding away from you, I’d argue the threat has stopped being a threat. To me, it’s very obvious from the video that the driver was trying to avoid the officers and flee, and when the first shot was fired he floored it to get away. The vast majority of shots were fired after the car had cleared officers and was going away from them.
It seems like this shooting could/should have been avoided, regardless of it’s legality. How did an officer firing his weapon reduce, mitigate or stop the threat here? What would have happened had the officers not fired on him?
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t just going to follow the speed limit and traffick laws as he made his way to the mall. There’s a strong chance he ends up hurting someone. I’d rather he be shot than run into some innocent family.
Stopped being a threat to whom?
I doubt it. Zep has a special weapon he can use in any argument, no matter the topic or opponent: he has actual mental problems, so nothing his opponent brings up matters.
Come on! He was on his way to volunteer at a soup kitchen.
So shoot anyone who flees because they could hurt/kill someone on their escape? Damn that’s harsh.
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No. Only felons who almost ran over the cops who were justified in their attempt to arrest him. It’s a sad day when cops are not allowed to stop criminals.
Wanted. Dead or alive!
This habitual drug dealer has likely killed several and certainly hurt many, in his 30 years of selling misery on the street.
You are trolling with the multitudes of posts questioning why society needs actual law and order.
Law and order, or wild west justice?
He made that choice.
How many compliant offenders are being shot?
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So non compliance with cops should allow them to shoot? That would be the implication of your rhetorical question…
You’re not getting it.
These guys ARE Zep. On STEROIDS. AND RACISTS. Outright, proud, unapologetic racists. No tip toeing, no innuendoes, nothing, This is ASIA. It’s the equivalent of US people just flagrantly using the “N” word with full abandon while whining that the “weak” GOVERNMENT should get rid of all of them.
At least Zep isn’t a racist.
Remember when I could anticipate every single one of his pro “socialist” arguments? He’s a FUCKING NOOB compared to them lol.
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