Our society already values “blue lives” appropriately… which is more than civilian lives.
Yeah, I’m sick and tired of being told that while watching shitheads loot, burn, maim, and murder under a different phrase. And whose namesake organization will gladly navigate the complexities of being an organization with a frighten online shop, but can’t kick out chapters justifying looting. Or can’t even make frequent and vigorous tweets condemning all the crap under their name. But they sure can tweet otherwise.
I asked if you believe blue lives matter.
Oh, and those blue lives are often laid down for the civilians they serve. Suggests to me civilian lives are very much respected.
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Yes i absolutely believe the the lives of LEOs matter.
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Lol. I see what you did there.
No person with an accurate view of reality, including young black men, actually believes it’s more likely that the police will toss away their life like so much garbage. Nobody devalues the life of a civilian more than the fellow civilian. The violent crime stats are overwhelmingly clear on that.
No, they absolutely believe that, because they have been around it and seen it happen. I personally have seen racist policing in front of me.
No doubt that civilian on civilian violence is more common. The issue is that police on civilian violence happens too often and rarely is punished…multiple factors combine to make it so police have significantly more protection against being prosecuted for unwarranted violence. Civilians do not have nearly the same standard of protection from prosecution.
Again, you are offhandedly dismissing a problem simply because you see another bigger problem that you think should be addressed first.
It isn’t just more common, it staggeringly more common. I’m “dismissing” a problem for a FAR greater problem that is FAR more likely to rob black men of opportunity and their very lives. I’ve grown sour over such a ridiculously misappropriated share of attention and emotion. The protests need to be against their own neighbors. The cops are the ones that at least remove the black corpses and lock up the black civilian offenders creating them. This is a ridiculous movement with a horribly skewed and exaggerated perspective.
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Anyone ever mention any of those non-POC civilians killed by the police? Any memorials? Murals with halos on their heads?
I believe what you are saying, but another factor is that it is a narrative that is on repeat within the black community. I think that narrative also causes many interactions with the police to go sour.
Google: fallacy of relative privation.
This is rational though. IMO, the issue with police violence, AND black on black violence need to be addressed. It isn’t irrational to say the larger issue should get more resources if it requires those resources.
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I placed dismissing in quotations to use his words. In fact, I don’t even dismiss white privilege or bias. My argument is simply one of grossly misplaced attention.
I think that speaks to the victim’s family and community, as until recently that is the only place you would see such memorials. Only recently have POC victims of police brutality (again) become martyrs outside their own communities.
For instance, I acknowledge white privilege can manifest at times. But I flat out reject that it requires/deserves anything remotely the time given to it.
I strongly suspect that if we could wave a wand and put fathers back in homes, close the out of wedlock birth rate gap, and stress respect of academics and authority, we would just about close any achievement gap. In the past the share of the misery pie may have been nearly all consumed by white privileg. Today, I feel it’s but a thin slice quickly lost to the whole.
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That is fine. Must have missed context here.
IMO, it isn’t that whites are privileged. The things white children get growing up is what should happen for all children. The fact that someone else doesn’t get something doesn’t make me privileged (if my life is pretty typical that is). Black under-privilege as a term makes more sense, as it reflects the current situation.
Whites aren’t privileged to not get stopped and searched, they aren’t privileged to have a higher rate of fathers in the home. These are what should be expected, not a privilege.
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No argument there.
Thing is though that no matter what color, race, creed you are the cycle of poverty is real, real fucking difficult to escape. For POC and more specifically black folks, its almost impossible because they have to deal with biases and racism as well which makes it functionally more difficult to break the cycle and culture of poverty, but also makes it more difficult mentally as its just one more thing they have to overcome.
Look how much pushback there is on trying to fix such a small issue. Wouldnt it be easier to just say “yep, theres a problem. lets fix it an move on to addressing the bigger issue”. Instead there is a ton of pushback and defensive posturing.
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My white privilege has been quickly overshot by my disadvantages in life. While today, black disadvantage is quickly overshot by other circumstances I didn’t get to inherent. My black classmates with good health, middle class and higher incomes, intact families, and families that cared about how they conducted themselves in and out of school didn’t need to take any extraordinary measures to be successful even 30 years ago. They just had to “do the normal.”
Joe Biden rally - “Death to America!”
As an American, you have to be suicidal to support them.
It would be good if it could be shown that there is an issue. I don’t think this has been done yet? There is data showing different arrest rates and such, but it never addresses things like are the populations committing crimes at the same rate, is one population better at that crime (not getting caught, which I believe is the case for marijuana crimes), does one population have better criminal defense, etc…
I think improving black schools is similar. We pump money into black schools, and often the standard testing results go down. Leading people to come to the conclusion it wasn’t the schools.
There are over a million interactions between police and civilians every year. How many of those have you seen? Also, racist is often up for interpretation.
See above. Also, what about civilian on police violence? That happens too often as well.
You know this?
Since their job requires they get involved in violent scenarios, they need to be protected.
If they have to second guess every decision it puts people in danger. Also, they don’t make policy so they need to be protected when their bad actions are really the result of bad policy.